Natural living, natural beings...Are you one?

[108blessings]

I see so many "complicated" people every day. Their lives are chock-full of activities, they may have a job of high esteem, but are they really happy?

Do you:

Eat mostly restaurant/pre-packaged food because of time issues, rather than prepare wholesome meals for yourself (and family)?

Wear fussy clothes which make you look like "somebody" but are too expensive and uncomfortable?

Dye your hair/wear makeup/get waxed in order to avoid looking like you really are? Do you think it makes you look better than going without?

Believe that daily meds are "no big deal" and "the way it has to be?" Who told you this?

I think we need to stop being hamsters on the wheel and really LIVE. Make our food daily, cut back on work hours (or quit), walk instead of traveling by metal box everywhere!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Great idea.

I'll just quit my job and live off nice, natural twigs and lichens, which is all I would be able to afford without a job...

Unfortunately, there are practical considerations that prevent most of us from living this way, much as we might like to.

[108blessings]

3. Yeah, that's exactly what I meant

:argh:

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

2. I'd say I'm sort of natural

but then I work at a non-profit health education foundation that focuses on integrative medicine. We believe that everyone should practice true preventative medicine---good diet, exercise, and supplements that you, personally, need to take. Oh, and I walk to work every day.

One thing you didn't mention was daily spiritual practices. I find this a very important aspect of my life.

[108blessings]

4. My bad...how could I forget that? Funny thing...everyone has a god

For some it's science, for others it's golf...

But your example is a natural (inner, not outer)practice!

[Warpy]

5. I see all your criticisms are aimed at women

except the driving to work one. That will take care of itself when there's no work. Oh, and the daily meds. Sorry, Mr. Clean, but I'm not ready to die. I'll keep taking mine for the time being.

Undoubtedly you've missed the corporate pressure women face that works its way into non corporate jobs and that dictates that women are never good enough the way they are.

Undoubtedly you've missed the fact that most women work outside the home, and if they don't use convenience foods, they're missing out on time with their kids and the kids are more important.

If you want women with bare faces and and undyed hair wearing jeans and t-shirts, talk to the men who run the country.

If you want that simple, home cooked food that takes hours, cook it yourself.

You want to talk complicated, discuss the houseful of toys like the big home theater system for football games. Talk about the overpowered cars and the riding lawn mowers. Talk about all those power tools and talk about all that sports equipment, most of which sits there most of the time because, gee whiz, there's a game on.

Talk about watching sports instead of doing them. Talk about listening to music instead of learning how to play it. Talk about buying things instead of making them.

Just don't talk about the crap people unlike yourself are forced into by the business world. Don't talk about what time constraints mean when they get home. And for gawd's sake, don't talk about getting sick and needing to control an incurable illness with drugs so you can continue to draw breath another day.

Then you might be talking a little more sense.

[108blessings]

6. My point is that we seem to go for the unnatural before the natural!

Like drugs: why are you "sick?" Work too hard? Cut back. Eat poorly? Get a better diet. It just seems like the brilliant solution to every problem is manmade. We are our own worst enemies and one reason is these beliefs that we hold that are not engrained in stone; they are just things we learn and accept as "fact." Like how much to work, what we "need" to get by, etc.

Isn't it funny how all that is changing, though, with the economic situation? I believe we are being given a divine lesson here...

[Crunchy Frog]

10. That's a hell of alot of presumption on your part.

If Warpy rips your head out through your asshole it will be too friendly of her.

Believe it or not, sometimes people get sick no matter how virtuous they are. It might even happen to you someday, hard as that may be to believe. :eyes:

[108blessings]

24. That may be so, but should we just let everything go to hell because of an innate potential for

illness? Let's put it this way: MOST illnesses are likely due to our choices. So I will do all I can and let it be.

I know why people defend your thinking, however. If it's not my fault, then I don't have to do anything. It's beyond my control, right? Well, I choose not to lie to myself like that. I don't want to increase my chances of getting a chronic condition ten-fold in order to live an indulgent, unhealthy life.

[varkam]

19. You do realize that etiology for illness isn't solely in the corner...

of stress and poor diet, right?

[108blessings]

25. Ooo...I just learned myself a big ole word today, thanks to the Internets!

Yup, I get that. As I just responded to the other poster, that factoid doesn't mean we just sit on our couches and eat ourselves to death and never move because of the very slight chance that we were born with some propensity towards a particular disease. We do the best we can and leave the rest up to the Flying Spaghetti Monster in the sky, otherwise known as Divinity:)

[varkam]

51. No, it doesn't.

But then again, you seemed to be trying to make the point that diet and exercise is a cure-all, and that if you eat right and get a good amount of exercise that you don't need meds. Is that the point that you were trying to make?

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

65. I take as many meds because of exercise as I do because of my genes.

I could probably quit my job and get rid of enough stress to lower the dosage of my blood pressure medicine, that would be until they foreclosed on my house and then I would have to double it.

David

[uppityperson]

29. My economic status is dropping, having to work less, yet I am not healthier.

Worrying about buying food is making me sick, so I should cut back on work and eat healthier food. Right.

"Believe that daily meds are "no big deal" and "the way it has to be?" Who told you this?" Um, the doctor that I am working with since my thyroid is dead. Maybe if I just fast, I can overcome the need to take thyroid hormones?

Welcome back.

[semillama]

23. nice!

[108blessings]

36. You sound like you are accusing me of being such a guy...

Good one.

And I cook for myself, too.

[drm604]

7. Actually, I believe that my daily meds ARE a big deal and are necessary for my health.

My doctors, as well as my own experience and research, have told me this. I don't like it, especially the expense, but it truly is "the way it has to be".

And I wish that I actually had some works hours to cut back on.

[108blessings]

42. I would just suggest, however, that you substitute the word 'health'

for 'functioning,' or another similar term.

After all, drugs can stop working. One of those delightful ads mentions taking a NEW DRUG when your antidepressant stops working! And I know personally of someone for whom this happened. She started on a new med and went whacko whilst traveling back home for a visit. She and her hubby ended up turning back home. She embarked on a harrowing series of 'med adjustment.'

There's a great episode of "The Simpsons" where they put Bart on some med like Ritalin and ended up giving him a bunch of meds to counter his insane behavior (side effects)!

[Crunchy Frog]

8. Hey! Haven't seen you here in awhile. Hope you enjoy this round.

:hi:

[cosmik debris]

9. I keep clicking on her profile

expecting to see the tombstone.

I doubt that it will be long now.

[Crunchy Frog]

11. No reason to keep clicking. Once the avatar disappears, you'll know she's gone.

[cosmik debris]

13. But I like to see the tombstone.

It confirms my faith in the Mods.

[Crunchy Frog]

14. Oh I do to. Just not worth clicking on it till you see that the avatar's gone.

I always click on it a few times afterwards just for entertainment. Hell, I even keep a DU "graveyard" folder in my favorites. I'm thinking maybe I should make a special subfolder just for this one. :)

[xchrom]

12. i'm a proud gucci/prada gay boi -- is that what you mean?

they're not uncomfortable from jeans to t's to shoes.

and they cost an arm and a leg -- but i love em.

so -- i'm pretty sure i'm what you're talking about -- what else do you have to say?

[108blessings]

27. Er...okay...you like to spend your money on sweatshop goods

that cost you hundreds and are made for pennies...If that makes you swell with pride, then get down with your bad self. I brag about how LITTLE I spend, but whatever floats yer boat...:bounce:

[xchrom]

46. you should really check the made in labels on my clothes --

you won't find china on any of them or any other south asian country.

you are a holier than thou creature passing ignorance off as wisdom.

[mopinko]

15. one day i will do the most natural thing of all

die. i intend to put that off as long as possible, tho. i'll keep taking my meds too, thanks.
and i will remind you that before all this new fangled modern medical miracle stuff came along the average american's life span was about 40. it was all natural back then, tho, so it was a great 40 years for everyone.
:eyes:

[ZombieHorde]

16. daily meds

Some daily meds are necessary for some people, such as seizure meds.

[lizerdbits]

17. Not in magic natural land

where diet, exercise, and supplements will "cure" things like lupus, MS, cancer, etc. And if you think positively epilepsy will disappear! :sarcasm:

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

66. That's some funny shit.

[108blessings]

28. Hey, I don't argue that...Now will you concede that many meds are NOT

needed? That they are in fact prescribed irresponsibly because it's easier than dealing with major lifestyle changes and are very, very profitable?

[ZombieHorde]

33. "Now will you concede that many meds are NOT needed?"

Diet pills, crack, alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine are most likely NOT needed.

Some meds MAY be over prescribed, but that does not mean that everyone who takes an over prescribed med, is taking the med needlessly. Such as Paxil or Ritalin.

[108blessings]

35. And I advocated for crack where?!

I never said EVERY DRUG and you damn well know this. I also never said we should be smoking, drinking caffeine, etc. Where do you get these things? Oh, because they are available without a 'script? Um...doesn't wash. I never designated one group of drugs as acceptable so try again.

[ZombieHorde]

37. I never claimed you advocate crack. I was agreeing that people takes things they don't need.

I never designated one group of drugs as acceptable so try again.

That is not what I was trying to communicate.

You asked me to concede that many meds are not needed, and I did.

[108blessings]

38. I get the gist of what you were implying...

"Coffee and cigs aren't necessary, but you're not putting THEM down."

Close, but no cigar...

[ZombieHorde]

39. I was not accusing you of drinking coffee or smoking cigarettes.

Are you playing jokes on me?

[108blessings]

40. Argh!!!! I didn't say you were..I am simply saying that you accused me

of not condemning substances across the board. I do. I am quitting caffeine shortly. I do believe that it is a soft drug in that it intoxicates, but in a subtle way and therefore is insidious. Same with tv...

[ZombieHorde]

41. I did not accuse you "of not condemning substances across the board."

I do.

I don't.

I am quitting caffeine shortly.

I am on my third day of not smoking cigarettes. I can barely think straight.

[Fire_Medic_Dave]

67. So a Dr. that prescribes a med to someone who has shown a reluctance to exercise in the past...

is being irresponsible for not brow beating that patient into exercising? Should a doctor treat a patient with high glucose levels with medication or by telling them to exercise?

david

[Dorian Gray]

18. Hmmmm...

Good lord..... you're advocating people cutting out their MEDICATIONS? That's insane!

[varkam]

20. That's just what the EVUL pharmaceutical companies and their shills (doctors) *want* you to believe!

:rofl:

[trotsky]

22. Well, except for Advil.

Because the OP does take that frequently. That whole goose/gander concept is lost on this one - you'd think a dozen bannings would have let SOMETHING soak in by now, but nope!

[trotsky]

21. I *thought* you looked familiar.

And here I figured you had finally given up after being humiliated time and time again. Looking forward to your next granite cookie.

[mopinko]

26. i miss all the fun.

do i know this person, ya think? is it forbidden to name a zombie?
inquiring minds want to know.

[uppityperson]

30. Check through past pages of forum

look for locked threads of postername including colors or perhaps herbs. It is a recurring poster and I can't remember specific names.

Advising people to stop taking prescribed medicines is a new angle though.

[trotsky]

47. What's the harm in naming banned trolls?

Here's just a small sampling of the ones I'm aware of:

iheartmulletz
bukowskiforever
groovysadgesun
mizzuzmojorizin
daisychains
marciamarciamarcia
annunakigohome
geeyourharesmells
spookytooth
theghostinme

[mopinko]

49. wow, i guess i don't spend too much time at du

i don't know any of those people.

[cosmik debris]

50. They are all one person

AKA 108blessings

[mopinko]

53. should we start a pool for the return?

names?
date?

[uppityperson]

60. couple more.

bluegreen aura closely followed by teehee the same day.

[uppityperson]

31. Why do you have a birth control pill case as your avatar if you advocate "no meds"?

Odd.

[Systematic Chaos]

32. BIRTH CONTROL PILL?????

Um... it's a wheel of the zodiac.

And as for the post in general, I understand and in large part agree with what the OP is saying. And yes, I know that most of us can't just quit our jobs and live off the land starting yesterday, but I'm all for trying to eliminate stress.

And this thing about totally eliminating medications? Where do they say that? I'm on a number of medications right now because I have to be, but I still hope that someday I can reduce or eliminate most if not all of them with diet and exercise. Many people have done so in the past and there's no harm in having that as a goal as long as it's not done recklessly, is there?

[108blessings]

34. Thanks...and check out an exchange I had with a woman friend...

We were in a cafe and she told me she was pre-diabetic (first red flag). I don't know if I brought up the coffee angle (in other words, stop it), but I did mention refined flour. Her response? 'No!'

Fast forward a few months...I run into her in the same cafe. She is now officially diabetic and is on FOUR MEDS!!!! And some of them are to counter side effects of the others.

Sorry but this is just criminal to me.

[Celebration]

43. WRONG WRONG WRONG re: coffee

http://coffeetea.about.com/od/health/a/healthdiabetes.htm

A new study of coffee and diabetes (Jan 2004) has shown that men who drank 6 cups of coffee a day reduced their chances of developing type-2 diabetes by half, and women who drank the same amount cut their risk by 30 percent. 126,000 people filled out questionnaires over the past 12-18 years with information about their coffee intake and other health questions.

In earlier studies, Dutch researchers discovered that there are compounds in coffee that aid the body's metabolism of sugar. Their study involved 17,000 men and women in the Netherlands. The results were published in November 2002, in the journal Lancet.

Sheesh.

[108blessings]

44. I knew someone would pounce on my answer but I still don't believe it for a minute

In the first place, insulin is getting dumped into the bloodstream when that old caffeine goes into the system. I should know. I lost 20 pounds and one of the things I did was quit coffee. It's often recommended for those who want to lose weight. Your blood sugar goes haywire when you crash after an hour. It's happenening to me right now. I am quite shake--hypoglycemic. I was probably HYPERglygemic when I first drank my swill earlier.

Another aspect is that most people add sugar to their coffee, I would imagine.

[uppityperson]

45. You don't belive studies, your mind is made up and caffeine is the only thing that could have caused

your weight loss since the only thing you did was quit drinking caffeine. Except now you drink caffeine.

"It's often recommended for those who want to lose weight. " Who, reputable source, recommends stopping drinking coffee to lose weight?

[xchrom]

48. 'I should know. I lost 20 pounds and one of the things I did was quit coffee.'

:crazy:

[cosmik debris]

52. The OP bit the big one!

[uppityperson]

54. Got over a hundred posts this time.

wonder where it has been for so long, seems to have taken a break. Maybe it will stay away again.

[Crunchy Frog]

55. See what I mean about the avatar disappearing?

Now I wonder if we're going to get a slew of reincarnations, or if she'll be gone again for several weeks.

[uppityperson]

56. I'd never noticed that before. Nice to see a fast clue to TSing

[uppityperson]

57. Come and gone again! Looks like it has time to waste now.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=222&topic_id=50212&mesg_id=50212

[Crunchy Frog]

59. At least they got it quick this time around. n/t

[did du jts]

61. Calling a human being "it"- niiiice...

Big pharm no like natural food talk.

[salvorhardin]

62. It's back....

And now it's gone. Good work mods!

[varkam]

79. Wow - just three posts! The mods are getting good at this game.

You have to step it up, dearie.

[varkam]

58. What is that person's major malfunction?

Seriously.

[uppityperson]

69. Nice to have a thread or 2 to

lure them in.

[Crunchy Frog]

63. Oops. Didn't notice that this was an old thread.

:blush:

[Maru Kitteh]

64. Yeah, my husband should just get osteoperosis and feel like shit his whole life.

That would be the natural thing to do. He should reject his daily meds. Having no children, though he desperately wanted them isn't insult enough for you FUCKING "NATURALISTS." He should just suffer the slings and arrows of "nature."

Fuck that. And fuck any asswipe who tells me I shouldn't wear makeup right along side any asswipe who tells me I have to. It's a personal decision and none of your GodDamned business. I don't follow you around La-la land and tell you when you need a high colonic.

[trotsky]

68. Oh it gets even worse than that.

Some of these folks think that your husband is bringing his disease upon himself by just not envisioning health enough. You form your own reality, that kind of quantum woo nonsense. It is fundamentally no different than Republicans blaming poor people for being poor because they won't work hard enough.

[xchrom]

71. ...

:spray:

[LeftishBrit]

70. Don't know about 'naturally living' but at any rate, I don't have multiple tombstones.

[varkam]

72. Yes - it would seem that being a member of the undead is quite, erm, unnatural.

[mr blur]

73. Well, without my daily meds I'd be dead.

This might not bother you but but would certainly upset my plans.

I don't eat crap - everything is freshly prepared, I wear whatever is comfortable, I had to quit working and I can't actually walk these days. I'm a natural dying being in fact, but thanks for the advice.

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[uppityperson]

75. Welcome back! I see you started by posting elsewhere this time.

It is the weekend, isn't it?

[varkam]

76. Brrraaaainssss....

[uppityperson]

77. You concur? So did the mods.

la la la la la la la

[varkam]

78. Well, it's been a while since I hung up my mod hat...

but I can still smell a zombie a mile away.

[Name removed]

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[uppityperson]

82. Looks like I missed one.

dang me for working in my garden today

[trotsky]

83. I know!

The mods are getting WAAAAY too efficient picking up the chew toy. I didn't even get her name this time.

[beam me up scottie]

84. It was - are you ready for this?

*Lightworker*

:rofl:

[uppityperson]

85. whoosh!

[beam me up scottie]

87. I thought lightworkers were angels sent to help us evolve to the next level.

If they're all like her we're doomed.

[trotsky]

86. Bwah ha ha ha

At first I just wanted our special little troll to go away - but now I gotta admit, I really enjoy the laughs she brings. :rofl:

[beam me up scottie]

88. Matthew probably sent her to help us.

And we kicked her out, again. :(

[salvorhardin]

89. Bwaaahaha! Matthew. I wonder what that dead intergalactic freak is up to these days?

Or do you mean the Biblical Matthew? Or am I just confused about my woo woos?

[beam me up scottie]

90. The dead kid Matthew whose mother still pimps for cash?

She "channels" Matthew the same way Lee Carrol "channels" Kryon.

It's quite a lucrative business, maybe we should look into it.

[salvorhardin]

91. Yeah, that's the one

Whoring your dead kid's memory for fun and profit.

[beam me up scottie]

92. I actually have more contempt for her than for Sylvia Browne.

Both are money whores, but at least Sylvia doesn't use the memory of her dead kid to make her rich. :puke:

Of course if she was lucky enough to have a dead kid, I'm sure she'd have no problem doing the same thing.

Lightworkers my ass.

[Name removed]

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