Gardasil side effects

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

Gardasil Side Effects

Medicine.com

The common denominator: symptoms followed injection of Gardasil Vaccine, girls were healthy prior to the injection.


17 yr old developed severe eye pain after 2nd shot. Had spinal tap, MRI, bloodwork - coincidence? adverse reaction ..."

Aug 02, 2008 by amym517, #32992

My 17 yr old daughter received her first Gardasil on April 17,08 with only pain at the injection site on June 16th 08 she received the 2nd within days she started complaining of severe headaches and eye pain so I scheduled a routine eye exam thinking that her glasses may need to be updated. After her exam her optomatrist called me intot he room telling me that she had severe swelling of her optic nerve and scheduled her for an MRI before we could get that done she went to the ER for severe pain in the eye and headaches there they did the MRI and it was normal no tumors or anything that would cause such headaches.

On July 3 she called me from work asking to be picked up because the pain was so bad she could not function at all she was weak, dizzy and overall just not feeling good. I took her to the ER again where they performed a spinal tap and tons of bloodwork and admitted her for pain control on July 5th she had a 2nd spinal tap and every day more bloodwork was performed so far ALL tests ran have come back normal. She was in the hospital 5 days. She seen her ophthalmologist a week after being released and we talked to her about the Gardasil and she felt there was enough "coincidence" to have my daughters pediatrician file a adverse reaction form. That has been done and my daughter has learned to live with the pain since nothing seems to help it anymore. Also the last 6 weeks she has had bad insomnia and nose bleeds.
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11 year old niece developed cysts in her breasts

August 3th 2008 7:59 PM
My 11 year old niece has developed (fibroid?) cysts in her breasts, and they say one is the size of a golf ball. She and her sister had said they really didn't think they had had any side effects from the Gardasil, and of course, the doctors say there is no connection. However, she has always been healthy, and these have only developed AFTER the administration of Gardasil.

How many must be harmed before the FDA stands up to the greed of Pharmaceutical companies and all of their human experiments?

24 year old with change in periods, developing facial hair, adult acne

July 19th
2008
8:39 PM
I have had all three of my Gardasil shots, starting in September 2007, November 2007 and then February 2008. I felt slightly ill after each one, came down with what felt like the flu but went away after a couple of days. My periods changed completely however. I'm 24 and have regular, monthly menstruation since I was 10, without a change in flow or length of the period. Since taking the vaccination, I had terrible cramps, delayed periods, and very heavy flow for the six months and a few months after that. Since then, my period has become very light and irregular and I have started growing abnormally dark facial hair as well increased hair growth overall (hirsutism). My skin has become very thin and breaks and bruises easily, and I have developed adult acne which I never had as a teenager. I don't have PCOS so I'm not sure if the two are linked, but nothing else has changed in my lifestyle over the past year so please do let me know if you have experienced anything similar.

Problems with warts - leg and hands

July 11th 2008 10:03 PM
i got the shot and the first shot i got was last summer
then i noticed a couple weeks later that i had like 5 warts on my right knee and one on my right pointer finger
so i got an appt to get them froze off then about a month later i got 5 more on my right pointer finger and 2 on my left pointer finger then it took a long time to get in to the doctors then i finally got them off them about 3 months ago i noticed lots of warts on my right knee and they were pretty small i counted about 20 to 30 and i saw some bump on my left elbow and thought it was a bug bite but it never went away then i got an appt and got my the warts on my knees froze off and i showed the doctor the thing on my elbow and he told me it was a wart and that there were 2 more growing and now i just got them off about 2 weeks ago and 3 more warts are growing on my right pointer finger i never had so many problems with warts until i got the Gardasil shot and every time i get them froze off or burnt off they keep coming back i know thats what it is that stupid Gardasil shot that hurts so bad when you get it and burns and causes soooo many things

Menstual period stopped for four months for 15 year old girl, not pregnant

June 26th
2008
2:44 PM
I'm a 15 year old girl who has been having periods regularly for the past three years. A few months ago, I went into the doctor to get my first Gardasil shot. I was due to get my period a few days after that. And now, I am due to go back for my next Gardasil shot in about a week..It has been four months sense I had a period. My mother has decided to make an appointment for me to find out why my menstrual cycle has suddenly disappeared. We think it may have something to do with the Gardasil shot, but the nurse we talked to on the phone said that this was unlikely, and I should come to the doctor to find out the cause of my mysterious missing menstrual immediately.
I beg you not to get these shots yourself, nor force them upon your children. I'm not sure whether to hope that it is Gardasil that is causing me these problems, or that it isn't. All I'm sure of is that I'm not taking the risk with the next two shots.
I'm desperate for answers and something to fix my problem.

Epilepsy in 17 year old

May 15th
2008
11:34 AM
Hi. I am so sorry to read your story. My 17 year old daughter’s story is similar. She had her second Gardasil vaccination during the end of January 2008. During the month of February and March, she had abdominal problems. Beginning on March 30th, she had seizures. She had a CT of the head, MRI of the brain, EEG, 24 hour EEG and as I type this note, she are in the epilepsy center at Jefferson Hospital in Philadelphia and the doctor just came in to tell me that every test is coming back normal and that my daughter is having “stress” seizures. My daughter has no more stress than any other 17 year old girl does.

I related to the doctor my thoughts pertaining to Gardasil and I feel as though he has dismissed my idea.

I have found some many stories similar to yours and my daughter’s but I believe because Gardasil is so new, nothing is coming out yet about it.

If anyone has any other information, please advise!! We are desperate here in Philadelphia.

Jodi

[InvisibleTouch]

1. I can't say I'm surprised.

They're pushing this "vaccine" so hard, it was almost a given that they rushed it to market in order to fill their pockets. Trying to sell off a lot of it quick, before the recall sets in. I didn't trust it from the beginning.

[TheWraith]

2. I wouldn't make too many assumptions with most of these.

Such a wide array of symptoms would tend to suggest that these are individualized problems, possibly caused by allergies, or other distinct biochem responses.

There are, however, a pattern of mentions on that site of hair loss, which would imply a connection between the drug and that side effect.

[CoffeeCat]

3. I don't trust this government...

...and I sure as hell don't trust their new designer vaccines. The FDA is a crony-filled joke.
The FDA has been "FEMA'd"--gutted and turned into a playground for Bush to seat his friends and
those who contributed to the Republican party.

There are so many lifestyle drugs--that have later killed people and caused horrid side effects.
Whoops! Our bad...sorry about that!

What's with all of the new lifestyle vaccines and drugs? I just saw an ad for a meningitis vaccine--warning
us all that one minute it looks like the flu "and the next minute a life is changed." Lovely fear
tactics. These drugs are touted with slick, emotional, fear-based ads.

No thanks.

I don't trust this government. Not with my children's lives, that's for sure.

[BuddhaGirl]

31. I agree!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I have been talking to my SIL A LOT about this...my niece is almost at the age she could receive this vaccine...I'm urging my SIL to look at all the reported problems and side effects before she makes any decision! :scared:

[Liberal Veteran]

116. Where is this assumption that ONLY the FDA approved this vaccine.

Gardasil is approved in 103 countries. France, the UK, Australia, and a host of other first world countries have approved this vaccine as well.

[depakid]

4. You're doing a big disservice to people here with your paranoid obsessions

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[Warpy]

7. Consider the side effects of not getting the shot

HPV infection.

Cancer.

Death.

All of these incidents are reported and tallied by people who know more than you do about epidemiology and physiology and what is likely to be a side effect and what is not. Eventually, some of these things will be added to patient warnings. Most will not.

If I had a daughter, I'd want her to be able to live long enough to enjoy her grandchildren. If I were 30 years younger, I'd get it myself.

Paranoid rantings of the antivax crowd wouldn't stop me from trying to give her the best chance of living a long and healthy life.

I suppose the anti pharma types will be just fine with seeing their daughters die a natural death from a preventable cancer by the age of 30.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

11. let the little girls live to get a pap smear or something safer than this vaccine

This vaccine was conveniently fast tracked just when Merck was facing a crippling
huge settlement for one of their other dangerous drugs - Vioxx.

They knew Vioxx was killing people and they hushed it up until they got caught.

This vaccine is far more dangerous than the ill it supposedly might prevent, and only
in some cases.

Women still need to get pap smears and they still need to use condoms to prevent HIV,
which would in turn prevent HPV.

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[pnwmom]

46. It was certainly fast tracked in the states that immediately tried to mandate it.n/t

[Warpy]

18. Pap smears don't prevent cancer, only discover it when it occurs.

I'm surprised you don't know that.

Then again, antivax sites only tell you to be afraid of life saving vaccines, not the diseases they prevent.

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[pnwmom]

47. I'm surprised you don't know that pap smears prevent cancers by allowing

for the removal of lesions before they turn cancerous.

Just as regular colonoscopies -- another breakthrough in prevention -- prevent colon cancer by allowing for the removal of precancerous polyps.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

60. PAP SMEARS DETECT PRECANCEROUS CHANGES

I'm surprised you don't know that.

You said:

"I'm surprised you don't know that.

Then again, antivax sites only tell you to be afraid of life saving vaccines, not the diseases they prevent."


Then again, some sites attack anyone who criticizes a vaccine or medicine that has killed or injured
people.

[varkam]

83. How many people has the Gardasil injection killed, WYVBC? eom

[notadmblnd]

21. An excerpt from a paper I wrote..

I'm with the OP on this one. Read below.

There is no question that mandatory vaccination programs for highly communicable diseases have benefited the world in the past and will continue to do so in the future. However, mandating vaccines that only target a certain segment of our population , should raise a giant red flag in everyone’s mind. The new drug “Guardasil,” recently heralded for its prevention of cervical cancer caused by certain strains of the Human Papillomavirus , is one of these vaccines. But there are serious concerns and more study is needed. Mandating the HPV vaccine by the States should be delayed and the decision to immunize our little girls should be left up to parents.

The Human Papillomavirus is the name of a group of viruses that includes nearly 200 different strains or types. Approximately 40 of these viruses can be transmitted sexually. Of these 40 viruses,two types cause 90 percent of genital warts cases and experts suspect there may be as many as 15 to 20 types that can cause cervical cancer. They are called papilloma viruses because certain types may cause warts, or papillomas, which are benign tumors. The HPVs that cause the common warts which grow on hands and feet are different from those that cause growths in the throat or genital area. Some types of genital HPV are associated with certain types of cancer. These are called “high-risk” carcinogenic HPVs. Currently; there are four types of HPV <16, 18, 31 and 45> that account for 80 percent of all cervical cancers in 22 countries. (PATH:Alliance for Cervical Cancer Prevention 4).

Genital HPVs can be passed through sexual contact by both men and women. This includes vaginal, anal and orally, they can infect the genital area of men and women including the skin of the penis, vulva , or anus, and include the linings of the vagina, cervix, or rectum. Most people who become infected with HPV will not have any symptoms and the infection clears up on its own (cdc.org). Detection of HPV in women is primarily done through annual Pap tests which can point out abnormalities or changes in the cervix. There is also a specific test available to detect the virus in women over 30, and even though researchers believe that infection with HPV may be a risk factor for penile cancer and research is ongoing (cancer.org), there are currently no tests that detect HPV in men (cdc.org).

HPVs are very common and can be spread by coming in contact with the lesions. However, the genital HPVs that can cause cancer can not be transmitted by casual contact with others; the virus must be active, and intimate contact with the infected genital area must occur. Because the lesions can be located outside the area that a condom covers, they are not considered effective in preventing the transmission of the disease.

Although cervical cancer is one of the most common cancers in women, it is an
uncommon disease. It occurs mostly in women over 40 and may spread throughout the body eventually causing death. However, if detected early, it can be completely cured (AMA Family Medical Guide 611).

In June of 2006 the US Food and Drug Administration approved the first vaccine against four types of HPV. Merck’s Gardasil for women ages nine to 26 and has been added to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s recommended immunization schedule for girls ages 11 and 12. The CDC has also recommended catch-up vaccinations for girls and women ages 13 to 26 (kaisernetwork.org). Experts in the pharmaceutical and medical fields are touting the efficacy and safety record of the vaccine and are advocating for mandatory immunization in several states. The Gardasil vaccine provides for immunization for four types of HPV, 16 and 18, which cause 70 percent of cervical cancer, and six and 11, which cause 90 percent of genital warts. However, this is a drug that has been on the market for less than a year, and studies conducted on women in the US have been limited in both numbers of women who have had the vaccine , and in duration of time that those women have been tracked. Although experts have reported no adverse effects associated with the vaccine in clinical trials, there could be incidences of severe adverse effects once the vaccine is given out to millions and millions of women (kaisernetwork.org). In fact, a recent report obtained from the FDA under the Freedom of Information Act by the group Judicial Watch states there have been over 1600 incidences of adverse affects ranging from not serious to serious , and three reported deaths (VAERS Line List report 1339, 1340, 1393; Judcialwatch.org). Side effects published by Merck & Co. warn the public about potential pain, fever, nausea, dizziness and itching after receiving the vaccine (gardasil.com). But other more serious side effects reported include paralysis, Bells Palsy, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, and seizures.

In a February 27, 2007 interview conducted by Judy Woodruff on the PBS program Newshour with Dr. Ralph Anderson, chairman of the obstetrics and gynecology department at the University of North Texas Health Center and an advocate for mandated vaccines for girls as young as nine, had this to say, “we have roughly 10,000 new cases of cancer of the cervix per year in this country, and we have approximately 4,000 deaths from cancer of the cervix.” (pbs.org). In the same PBS Newshour interview with Wendy Wright, a spokesperson for the conservative group Concerned Women for America, who counters the argument for the urgent need to mandate the vaccine, points out, “… need to take a second look at the vaccine itself.” Pointing out that the vaccine has been tested, she says, “but in those trials people were pre-screened. People with medical conditions weren’t included in it. By mandating… virtually the entire population of young girls, would have to get it.” She then goes on to compare the number of cases of cervical cancer deaths to the number of deaths caused by the flu annually, “…about a little less than 4,000 women a year die from cervical cancer. About 36,000 people a year die from the flu, but we don’t mandate that each person get a flu vaccine.” (pbs.org).
The vaccine is administered intramuscularly through a shot in the arm. It’s given in a series of three doses. The first dose administered, the second dose two months from the first, and the last dose administered six months from the first. It is not known how long the effectiveness of the vaccine will last or if women will need to undergo boosters or another series of immunizations in the future.

Dr. Anne Schuchat M.D., director for the Centers for Disease control and Prevention’s national Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease, in a series titled “Ask the Experts”, a web based informational program of kaisernetwork.org and sponsored by the Kaiser Family Foundation, offers this as an answer when asked in a January 10, 2007 interview, Why not boys? “…the evidence base that we had at the time of the recommendations did not extend to boys and men, and so the company is studying the vaccine in men right now and we’re looking forward to seeing the results of those studies, but we don’t yet have effectiveness studies out in men. So there is not a recommendation that can be science based.” (kaisernewtork.org; transcript, ask the Experts 7). Dr. Schuchat also tells us that pre-pubescent girls are the target because, “…we don’t know how long this vaccine is going to protect for. The studies so far have followed some people as long as five years, and they are intended to go out to 10 to15 years, but we’re trying to protect girls and women for many, many years and if we were to start at age two months, that’s asking quite a lot of the vaccine, so one of the things that will be studied after the vaccine is in wider use, is the duration of protection and whether we need to add a booster in the future at some point.” (kaisernewtork.org; transcript, ask the Experts 8). In other words, the experts just don’t know what the long term effects of the vaccine are or whether there will even be long lasting benefits.


Cost is another concern; the vaccine runs between 300.00 and 400.00 dollars for the series of injections not including the Dr. fee and cost of administering the injections. If the immunizations are mandated the states will have to fund programs for the poor and low income and will create a hefty windfall for the pharmaceutical company.


The Food and Drug Administration gave it “Fast Track” approval last June after phase II studies showed promise. Gardasil was evaluated and approved in six months under FDA’s priority review process—a process for products with potential to provide significant health benefits (FDA.gov), and lobbyists for the pharmaceutical company Merck had been lobbying not only to make the drug available, but to make Gardasil mandatory for all 11-12 year old girls. Merck, one of the worlds largest pharmaceutical companies had been hoping to reap billions of dollars from Gardasil as every child overage 9 are potential customers for the expensive injections. However, revelations of money trails and the rush to make the vaccine mandatory created a backlash and forced Merck, on February 20th, 2007, to publicly end its lobbying efforts for mandatory vaccination of school girls (corpwatch.org).
Finally, the moral implications of mandatory immunizations for sexually transmitted disease need to be considered. Conservative groups will argue once again that this will give our children permission to become promiscuous instead of advocating abstinence outside of marriage.

As with any new drug, parents need to be able to evaluate the risks against the benefits. Currently, the information provided by both health officials and pharmaceutical companies is not conclusive, some is downright contradictory. The incidence of death from cervical cancer is low in comparison to other diseases such as the flu and even with the vaccine, annual Pap tests will still be necessary for the prevention and treatment of cervical cancer. More study of the long term effects on our children is needed before we allow the states to mandate this vaccine. There is no urgent need for the safety of the public health and the decision to immunize our girls should for now, be left up to the parents.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

35. Our daughters are being used as guinea pigs and cash cows for Merck

It is too new, it is unproven, the placebo injection had harmful chemicals in it that normally wouldn't be put in a vaccine.

[notadmblnd]

37. and did you notice that none of these men replied to it?

[Warpy]

40. It is new, it is not unproven, and you need to offer proof

that the placebo shot was anything but saline solution. Antivax hysteria sites are not proof.

Again, adverse reactions are noted and tabulated. Some can and will be assigned to any new drug or vaccine that comes out. Most will not.

An hysterical reaction to vaccines does our daughters no good at all.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

49. this thread is about GARDASIL SIDE EFFECTS - WHICH INCLUDE DEATH

I bet you aren't capable of starting a thread about lives saved by Gardasil
or how selfless Merck is.

[Warpy]

59. Post hoc ergo propter hoc?

No deaths have been attributed directly to Gardasil, via your own sources.

Five are still being investigated.

Shame on you for ASSuming an investigation is equivalent to proof.

[pnwmom]

51. Your logic is warped. How can anyone offer proof that the placebo shot

used an aluminum containing adjuvant when both Merck and the FDA refuse to say how much adjuvant the placebo contained?

It is a fact, however, that the FDA gave prior approval to the use of adjuvant in the vaccine, because otherwise it would have been clear which patients received the actual vaccine and which received the placebo. (The adjuvant, which causes pain at the injection site, was used in the vaccine; it therefore had to be used in the placebo in order to keep the study double blind.)

[Warpy]

58. Saline causes pain at the injection site

and your logic requires you to ASSume a lot. When a first premise is faulty, your "logic" collapses.

Thanks for playing, though.

[pnwmom]

104. If Merck used no adjuvant in the placebo, why are they refusing to say so?

An aluminum containing placebo is much more painful than a simple saline solution, as I'm sure you must be aware. That is why the FDA sometimes allows them. Otherwise, the patients would know whether they were getting a simple placebo or an actual vaccine.

[Warpy]

106. Why should they say ANYTHING?

This whole level of paranoia is fucking hilarious!

[pnwmom]

108. Because it is up to Merck to prove that their vaccine is safe and effective.

When Merck was lobbying to get their vaccine required for schoolgirls, many of the opponents pointed out that using a placebo containing aluminum would affect the reporting of adverse effects -- that is, the difference in the effects between the "placebo" and the vaccine would be smaller than if a true placebo had been used.

Merck didn't dispute this, and they didn't deny using an aluminum adjuvant in their placebo, as the FDA had allowed them to.

You would have to be awfully naive -- or a shill for Merck -- to believe that the placebo they used didn't contain the aluminum adjuvant.

[Warpy]

109. Which they have done, dear

but you've been sniping about the placebo shot. I would suggest you pick a subject and stick to it. Your posts are all over the place and it shows rather badly that you're just quoting nonsense from conspiracy sites.

[pnwmom]

111. No, they haven't. The jury is still out, and will be, until the vaccine

has been successfully and safely used in the general population for at least several years. (This is the case with all drugs and vaccines, but especially ones like Gardisal, which was "fast tracked" for approval.)

Even then, we still won't know how long any effectiveness will last.

[varkam]

113. Again, wasn't Gardasil fast-tracked for a certain age demographic?

Namely, 27-45? Also, I do believe that they completed all phases of testing, including Phase III, where the trial involved some 12,000 women followed for approximately two years.

[pnwmom]

114. 12,000 women for two years. And yet they wanted to require mandatory

vaccinations of millions of girls, age 9 and up.

I would trust them more NOW if they hadn't been so anxious to push their new product as a mandatory vaccination before it had been fully tested on that age group.

My niece was one of the test cases (meaning, first year post release). A few months after the vaccine was approved, she went with a group of college friends to receive the vaccine, and no one told her that she wasn't supposed to receive it, because of her epilepsy. The nurse gave her the form to sign AFTER she'd had the vaccine, and then the doctor's office made an emergency call to find out what to do because it turned out she was supposed to have been excluded.

Fortunately, my niece was okay. But her neurologist has vetoed any further Gardisal vaccinations.

I mention this story, because this is the kind of mistake that is happening now that the drug, which had only been been used in carefully designed studies, is released out into the general population. As the vaccine is used in the broader population we will find out if it as safe and effective as Merck claims.

Until then, I'm reserving judgment.

[varkam]

119. Two years is a fairly lengthy follow-up.

Would you have follow-ups be ten years or so before meds are allowed to hit the market? I think that there needs to be a balance between study to ensure efficacy and safety, and access to potentially life-saving medication.

The issue of whether or not the vaccine is safe, and whether or not it should be mandated are two separate questions. I'm not sure that it should be mandated, but I'm not convinced that it's going to set your gentials on fire, either. There have been side effects reported (albeit with the limitations of the VAERS database) but most of those have been nonserious. Regarding the serious reactions, the CDC hasn't them to the vaccine - which isn't to say that it won't happen, but it's hasty to claim that Gardasil has, say, killed people.

I'm glad that your niece is okay, but it is also worth mentioning that those types of mistakes aren't specific to Gardasil or to vaccines. It sounds like human error, and not an inherently dangerous property of the itself.

[pnwmom]

121. No, I don't think we need to wait ten years.

My main objection was to the push for making it mandatory, and the over-hype that seemed to go along with that. (The over-hype that sent my 19 year old niece off to student health services with her girlfriends to get the vaccine -- without checking with her parents, who would have told her to ask her personal doctor first).

You're right that the mistake that happened with my niece wasn't specific to Gardasil. But the safety of Gardasil in the general population -- mistakes and all -- can't be known until it is used in the general population (as opposed to carefully screened, healthy study subjects).

My niece has a type of epilepsy that only occurs in her sleep, and it is possible she had it for years before she was diagnosed. Other girls with this form of epilepsy could receive the Gardasil vaccine and not know that they shouldn't receive it, because they might not know they have epilepsy. Hopefully, this won't turn out to be a significant problem (and they won't find other significant problems that weren't uncovered in the research stage). But it's still too early to know, IMO.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

129. they need it to be for girls so they can get the federal mandate and $$$$

By getting the approval of the federal govt, they are protected from liability.

Federal approval also means federal $, just what Merck needs in the face of their
multi billion $ loss over Vioxx.

Happened just in time.

If this wasn't being marketed to little girls, no one would cough up the money
for it, many aren't even getting the needed pap smears because of money.

The price was just right for the Gardasil, just what Merck needed to keep from drowning
financially.

[varkam]

130. How does getting a medicine approved protect the manufacturer from liability?

This oughtta be good.

[conscious evolution]

126. Yes they are

My gf thinks gardasil has not been adequately tested on the target demographic and refuses to have her daughters vaccinated with it.
But what does she know.As a third year med student working on her Phd in Pharmacy she has no qualifications whatsoever to make such a judgement.

[pnwmom]

48. Thanks for all the info. n/t

[crimsonblue]

78. I'm so glad you can google

But trained doctors, my father included are in overwhelming support of this treatment. But I guess random articles have merit than clinical tests and the determinations of doctors. My father rightfully recommends it to every sexual activity aged woman and my sisters are both on it.

[notadmblnd]

94. but again, it's not your father who is being experimented on, now is it?

I thought my paper was balanced both pro and con. It is my conclusion that these should not be mandated, but if you want to risk your daughter's life, feel free to vaccinate her. I'll just go ahead and teach mine about safe sex and the risks of promiscuity.

And another thing, Gardisil is not something people are put on. It is a series of three shots. Also, most 9-11 yr olds aren't sexually active; at least not in my family. For someone who has absorbed so much medical knowledge by osmosis, I guess you don't bother to learn how to google?

[pnwmom]

45. Deaths from cervical cancer have almost been eliminated through

yearly pap smears -- even though a significant number of women still don't get them. Having access to free yearly pap smears would catch almost all of the rest of the precancerous lesions.

And scrupulously using condoms -- which are important to the spread of STD's in general -- would prevent most viral infections in the first place.

[varkam]

13. Paranoid? No one is trying to shut you up.

Don't expect everyone to blindly line up and agree with the swill that you post, though.

[depakid]

15. You've been obsessed about this vaccine for years

Probably since before it was ever approved.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

61. you've been criticizing my threads for years

And any thread I have posted in this forum in the past few days.

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[PVnRT]

27. Amazing that the only way you can debate anything is ad hominem

Not surprising, just amazing.

[LeftishBrit]

32. How DARE you?

Has it ever occurred to you that there are plenty of people who post in the Health forum because they or their family members are suffering from health problems, and need or are undergoing medical treatment?

You can give your opinion, right or wrong, about the benefits and risks of such treatments or preventives; but don't EVER DARE to tell a group full of patients and their relatives that the only reason they value a vaccine or medicine is because they are 'all about protecting Big Pharma'! I have argued on scientific and factual grounds many times, but if you can only argue on the basis of emotion, here is some emotion for you: You can BLOODY WELL stop treating our concern for our own and family members' health needs as just based on some sinister profit motive - or you can call yourself Rush Limbaugh as you are acting JUST like he did about Michael J. Fox and his Parkinson's disease. Just as he put his religious ideology above concern for others' health problems, so you are putting your 'anti-Pharma' ideology above others' health problems.

Note that I have never said this sort of thing to anyone who simply thought that vaccines or medicines don't work, or that alternative medicine is always better than conventional. However much I may disagree and argue with them, I will not compare them with right-wingers. But accusing us of being only motivated by profit - that is a step too effing far for me to tolerate.

Oh, and I don't work for Pharma in any way.

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[WillYourVoteBCounted]

62. It would be great if I could post my OPs and not be attacked

I have been attacked repeatedly by some people as wearing a foil hat etc,
and that my concerns are unwarrented.

This thread is about the side effects of Gardasil.

Gardasil is related to untimely deaths of young girls.

There are good drugs and bad drugs out there, and this one is hurting people.

We don't know how bad it is.

I don't criticize every drug or vaccine, just ones that are rushed out there,
put out by companies that just lost big suits for drugs they make that have killed many people,
and that pharma is spending big bucks to lobby for a mandate.

If you want to have the gardasil injection, fine, but don't accuse me of being wrong
in raising the issue of its side effects.

There may be better treatments developed that don't hurt so many health people.

[varkam]

79. WTF?

Dude - no one attacked you until you started throwing around the ad hominems and accusing other people of being shills for big pharma. You decided to make it personal, and now you whine about how you wish you could start a thread without getting attacked?

That's rich.

Here's a hint, if you don't want to get attacked then don't attack other people. If what you're really saying is that you wish you could start a thread without people who disagree with you posting their opinions, then here's what you should do: stop posting nonsense, or else learn to deal with disagreement like an instead of an adolescent.

[LeftishBrit]

123. I don't attack you for 'raising the issue of its side effects'

I do attack you for imputing mercenary motives to anyone who disagrees with you.

The two are different.

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63. 78 separate cases, patients experience an outbreak of warts in the groin and genital area,

http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/fda-adverse-reports-on-gardasil-made-public.aspx?googleid=243428

[crimsonblue]

6. if women want to get cervical cancer instead

then that's there choice. I'd say that cancer and the risk of death is a little worse than some acne.

[pnwmom]

8. If they don't want to get cervical cancer then they can get regular pap smears

and any precancerous lesions can be removed before they turn into cancer.

Pap smears are needed even for women who have the vaccine, since the vaccine doesn't protect against all strains.

[Warpy]

19. You have a false sense of security

While regular pap smears can improve the odds, they don't detect the really aggressive cancers until it is too late.

Pap smears only detect the problem once it needs treatment. The vaccine will prevent many cancers from occurring in the first place.

I'm surprised you didn't know the difference.

[pnwmom]

22. I know the difference, and I know that the incidence of cervical cancer

has been almost eliminated with the regular use of pap smears.

I also know that the new vaccines do not protect against all the strains that cause cervical cancer. Anyone who is relying on the vaccine to stay safe has a false sense of security.

And anyone who uses a new vaccine or drug within the first five years of its FDA approval is, in effect, a research participant.

With regard to this new vaccine, I'd recommend any young woman I know to wait and see. Let the vaccine maker prove that the vaccine is as safe and effective as they say it is.

At this point, the best approach is to always use condoms and have regular pap smears.

[dropkickpa]

25. Condoms are not totally effective protection from HPV

Transmission can occur when there is skin contact that a condom does not prevent.

[pnwmom]

42. I realize that. But the combination of condoms

and regular pap smears -- which detect and allow for the removal of precancerous lesions -- has already almost eliminated deaths from cervical cancer. And this is the case even though condom use and regular pap smears are not universally practiced.

[crimsonblue]

77. are you a doctor?

if not, then STFU. I'd dare say doctors just a little more about cancer and vaccines than you do. How dare you claim to know enough to give out medical advice. Pathetic.

[dropkickpa]

24. I did get regular PAP smears and I got cancer

I know MANY people who have. You are full of shit and this is just a rehash of your past posts where you essentially disparage women and ignore the facts. A good friend just finished treatment for her second bout of cervical cancer. She's 29. She's going to be getting a hysterectomy as soon as she's recovered enough from the treatment. She got regular PAP's, too. A PAP smear is NOT A TREATMENT! It's a diagnostic tool, and a not always reliable one at that.

Outcomes by stage for those with cervical cancer have not changed in the last 30 years. This means there has been no improvements in treatment in 30 years. Since they are unable to improve outcomes, how about lessening the total number of cases? There are more than 10,000 women diagnosed with cervical cancer every year, I guess they still don't matter much to you. It's only August and already 3,860 women have died from cervical cancer this year.

Since the #1 and #2 most common strains causing cancer in the US are in the vaccine (covering over 70% of cases *on earth*), there is efficacy that you still refuse to acknowlege. I don't care if I'm protected against the strain most common in fucking Zimbabwe, I want protection from the one I'm most likely to get exposed to. The vaccine literature clearly states that PAP's are still required, why do you keep going on and on about it?

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38. You should start your own thread extolling the virtues of Gardasil and Merck

no one here wants more women to get cervical cancer, but it is possible Gardasil
CAUSES cancer.

Merck didn't test it to see if it doesnt, and some girls have developed warts after
getting the vaccine.

If you care about women or men for that matter, who may get or did get cancer, then
you wouldn't want others to be made sick by a get rich quick scheme of Mercks that
causes a great deal of harm.

Gardasil has dubvious value. Many more people are killed by the flu each year but flu
vaccines aren't mandatory.

[dropkickpa]

41. Gardasil has undergone the most extensive testing

of any vaccine. And warts on knees and hands are not caused by the same strains of HPV, so the two are not related. Where are you getting your information that it causes cancer? And what does any of what you posted have to do with what I posted?

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50. This thread lists the GARDASIL RELATED SIDE EFFECTS AND DEATHS

They are what they are.

Healthy child gets vaccinated, healthy child gets very sick.
Child isn't healthy any more.

But Merck is laughing all the way to the bank.

[dropkickpa]

53. Still nothing?

How about just a link showing where you got your "Garadil causes cancerrrr11!!!1!!" screech?

[pnwmom]

44. I'm very sorry about your situation.

But I have a friend who also got cervical cancer, and she feels exactly the same way about the vaccine that I do. It is basically still in the experimental stage, as is any drug or vaccine in the first few years after FDA approval. If, after being fully informed and giving consent, an adult chooses to have this vaccine or to authorize it for her daughter -- fine. But it should NOT be mandated for anyone at this point in time.

By the way, my friend happened to have a special risk factor for the cancer -- a mother who used a drug during pregnancy that predisposes daughters to cervical cancer. Also, she didn't use condoms.

[dropkickpa]

52. So, was your friends cervical cancer CCA or other?

DES (Diethylstilbestrol) daughters develop clear cell adenocarcinomas of the cervix and vagina (at a rate of 40 times the regular population, at much earlier ages, as young as 8 years old), the cause of which has absolutely nothing to do with HPV, which is what Gardasil is for. A vaccine wouldn't help DES daughter CCA at all, as the cause is completely different and unrelated to HPV.

[pnwmom]

54. The point is that my friend has gone through cervical cancer and the treatment

thereof, including hysterectomy, and yet she still would not choose to subject her daughter to the still unknown risks of this vaccine in its first few years after approval.

[dropkickpa]

56. But you held her up as your great example

of a cervical cancer survivor against Gardasil. Not to be rude, but the cause of her cancer wasn't in any way preventable by her. Cancer caused by HPV is. If the vaccine had been available, mine would have been (HPV 16). I could have done something about it beyond getting yearly paps and using condoms. There is a very different feeling involved, I've spoken with many DES daughters in support groups I am in and they are pretty damn supportive of gardasil.

[pnwmom]

57. She is someone who has gone through the treatment for cervical cancer

including a hysterectomy. She is also someone who works in the medical field, specifically in medical research. Knowing what she does about the approval process for new drugs and vaccines, she will not recommend that her daughter receive the vaccine while it is still, in effect, in the final experimental stages.

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64. The FDA also reported 140 “serious” reports of injury.

http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/fda-adverse-reports-on-gardasil-made-public.aspx?googleid=243428

[trotsky]

97. VAERS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x39301

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65. There were 10 spontaneous abortions

http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/fda-adverse-reports-on-gardasil-made-public.aspx?googleid=243428

[trotsky]

98. VAERS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x39301

[LeftishBrit]

131. Out of how many pregnancies?

Since at least 15% of clinically recognized pregnancies end in spontaneous abortion anyway, you would expect some to occur in a large sample of pregnant women. Was the proportion larger in the women who took Gardasil? Also, did they get the Gardasil vaccine while pregnant, or a long time previously?

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66. Six cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome..since Jan 2008

Six cases of Guillain-Barre Syndrome (the body’s immune system attacks the nervous system) since January 2008

25.4 percent experienced swelling after receiving Gardasil, and 15.8 percent reported the same thing after receiving an aluminum placebo. Gardasil contains 225 mcg of aluminum. The FDA allowed Merck to use an aluminum-based placebo, while most are saline based.
http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/fda-adverse-reports-on-gardasil-made-public.aspx?googleid=243428

[trotsky]

99. VAERS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x39301

[conscious evolution]

127. GBS huh

I remember the big outbreak of GBS in the late 70's was started by the swine flu vaccine.
My father came down with it a few days after his vaccination.Damn near killed him.

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128. my friend's dad became bed ridden after getting swine flu vac

and he had been healthy up until then.

Friend's Mom had to change her husband's diapers and tube feed him and everything.

My daughter has had the mandated childhood vacs, but won't be getting any
"extras".

She won't be getting any combo shots either.

I never get my elderly mother the flu shot and she hasn't had the flu.
Been at least 8 years I have taken care of her.

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67. There are 10 deaths reported since September 2007, and at least 18 deaths total.

There are 10 deaths reported since September 2007, and at least 18 deaths total. Of those 18, eleven occurred less than one week after receiving the vaccine and seven in less than two days. The young women were diagnosed with blood clotting as the cause, which was cited as the cause in almost a fourth of all deaths involving Gardasil. One girl died from inflammation of the heart, one from arrhythmia and one from meningitis. An 11-year-old died from anaphylactic reaction.

http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/fda-adverse-reports-on-gardasil-made-public.aspx?googleid=243428

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100. VAERS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x39301

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68. patient experienced anaphylactic shock 2 minutes after vaccination

Information has been received…concerning a 23-year-old female…who on 31-JAN-2008 was vaccinated with her 1st dose of Gardasil...the patient experienced anaphylactic shock 2 minutes after vaccination characterized by a brief loss of consciousness...respiratory arrest, eyes rolled upwards, blurred vision and greyish skin tone...Anaphylactic shock was considered to be immediately life-threatening. VAERS ID: 304739-1 (S)
http://www.injuryboard.com/national-news/fda-adverse-reports-on-gardasil-made-public.aspx?googleid=243428

[trotsky]

101. VAERS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x39301

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69. "The side effects that have been reported are real and they cannot be brushed aside,"

HPV Vaccine Adverse Events Worrisome Says Key Investigator
Allison Gandey

July 26, 2008 (updated August 1, 2008) — Serious neurologic, thromboembolic, and autoimmune complications have been reported in patients who received human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines. Although not the norm, experts suggest that the events are grave enough to encourage caution. "The side effects that have been reported are real and they cannot be brushed aside," Diane Harper, MD, from the Dartmouth Medical School, in Hanover, New Hampshire, told Medscape Oncology. Dr. Harper was a principal investigator of clinical HPV vaccine trials for both Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.

...

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/578110

[trotsky]

102. VAERS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=222x39301

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70. "Dr. Harper noted that we shouldn't be calling the new immunizations cervical cancer vaccines."

Dr. Harper noted that we shouldn't be calling the new immunizations cervical cancer vaccines. "Even if everyone was vaccinated, we would still have cervical cancer," she said. "I don't want people to be lulled into thinking this will prevent cancer. If Pap screening rates decline, cervical cancer rates will rise," she emphasized.

If Pap Screening Rates Decline, Cervical Cancer Rates Will Rise

The decline in cervical cancer in developed countries has been largely attributed to regular Pap screening — something Dr. Harper believes has done a superb job. Women who haven't received an HPV vaccine, and even those who have, are still encouraged to undergo regular screening.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/578110

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71. Cervical cancer is not a vaccine-preventable disease," - Dr. Lippman

"Cervical cancer is not a vaccine-preventable disease," Dr. Lippman said during an interview. And in her recent editorial, she points out that surrogate end points — not cervical cancer — were used to measure the efficacy in the clinical trials.

"No one would want to wait to see cervical cancer develop in participants," she writes. "But the general failure to mention that the precancerous lesions chosen for study are not only potentially removable, most (those that are CIN 2) would probably have resolved on their own without any intervention, is arguable."

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/578110

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72. Married couple-both physicians saw their daughter become chronically ill after vaccine

Unfortunately, public confidence is lacking, even from the medical community.

Scott Ratner, MD, a cardiologist with a practice in Franklin Square, New York, and his wife, a rheumatologist had their daughter vaccinated. Dr Ratner says, "She went from being a healthy, active teen running, playing lacrosse, and participating on swim team to becoming a chronically ill patient," showing signs of autoimmune disease.

http://grabsomehealthnews.blogspot.com/2008/07/hpv-vaccine-causes-public-concern.html

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73. Gardasil has not been uniformly embraced by the medical community.

In August 2007, a commentary expressing concerns about Gardasil appeared in the Canadian Medical Association Journal, written by Dr. Abby Lippman of McGill University’s Department of Epidemiology, Biostatistics, and Occupational Health; Dr. Ryan Melnychuk of Dalhousie University’s Department of Bioethics; Carolyn Shimmin, information centre coordinator of the Canadian Women’s Health Network; and Madeline Boscoe, executive director of the Canadian Women’s Health Network and policy and advocacy coordinator for the Women’s Health Clinic in Winnipeg.

In their commentary, they noted that information about the efficacy of Gardasil remains uncertain, that relatively few girls (about 1,200 aged nine to 15) were enrolled in the vaccine’s clinical trials, and that, at a cost of $404 for three required doses, the vaccine is one of the most expensive proposed for mass use.

In the government’s press release, Dr. Monika Naus, head of the immunization program at the B.C. Centre for Disease Control, stressed that because the vaccine does not prevent all cancer-causing strains of HPV, regular Pap tests will still be necessary.

http://69.90.96.34/article-144637/hpv-vaccine-gardasil-made-available-bc-girls

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74. FDA Warns Merck To Fix Vaccine Plant Problems (plant makes Gardasil)

Apr 30, 2008 TRENTON, N.J. (AP) ― The Food and Drug Administration has ordered drugmaker Merck & Co. to correct manufacturing deficiencies at its main vaccine plant.

The agency on Wednesday released a warning letter sent to Merck's chief executive, Richard T. Clark, that states FDA inspectors determined manufacturing rules are not being followed at the plant in West Point, Pa., just outside Philadelphia, which makes a number of children's vaccines.

The nine-page letter refers to what the FDA calls "significant objectionable conditions" found during repeated inspections at the plant between November and January.

Merck officials didn't thoroughly investigate when vaccine batches inexplicably failed to meet specifications, even if batches had been distributed, according to the heavily redacted letter.

The FDA also said that some drug components were tainted, and that the plant didn't have written procedures, tests or other laboratory controls to ensure "strength, quality, and purity" of products.

The plant makes children's vaccines, including liquid PedvaxHIB, to prevent Haemophilus influenza type B, and ProQuad, which protects against measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox. Is also makes hepatitis A, hepatitis B and meningitis vaccines for children and adults, and Gardasil, to protect young women against cervical cancer.

http://wbztv.com/health/fda.merck.vaccine.2.712426.html

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75. Could HPV Vaccine Be Linked To Teen's Paralysis?

NEW YORK (CBS News) ― Jenny was a healthy 13-year-old living in Northern California - until 15 months ago when, her parents say, she received the third and final shot of the vaccine designed to protect against human papillomavirus (HPV).

HPV causes a large percentage of cases of cervical cancer.

Soon after getting that third injection, her parents say, Jenny began experiencing the first signs of a degenerative muscle disease. They say she's their daughter is now almost completely paralyzed.

Did Gardasil cause Jenny's condition?

Her family told CBS News it believes "there may be a link. But, there is no medical consensus on whether this hypothesis is stronger than other possible explanations."

...
http://wbztv.com/health/gardasil.danger.paralysis.2.765507.html

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76. Katie Couric: MERCK HPV GARDASIL (Video)

over at You Tube you can watch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1aFo59ao34

I don't think all vaccines are bad, or that everything Merck sells is bad, but
this vaccine needs more investigation by independent groups before it is
given to any young girls.

Reports in the video mentioned: massive wart outbreaks, paralysis, collapse, brain inflamation...

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80. 23 yr old grand mal seizure while driving, never had seizures before

Here's a letter out of hundreds from a worried mother posted to a Law Tech blog:

I'm so relieved that I found this website. My 23-year old daughter (who was 22 at the time of her 3rd injection) had a grand mal seizure while driving to work at 9:00 a.m on 28 November 2007, exactly 7 days following her 3rd vaccination. She has had no history of seizure nor has anyone in our family on either her paternal or maternal sides. Luckily prior to the seizure her vision began changing so she slowed down and began to pull over to the side of the roadway. She was traveling in a suburban area so her speed was in the 25 to 30 mph range. She doesn't remember anything after she began to pull over.

She wasn't wearing a seat belt and she slumped down in her seat and evidently her body weight hit the accelerator. Because she was pulling over at the time of the onset of her seizure her SUV hit a telephone pole but would have ran into the side of a house if the pole wouldn't have been in her line of travel. Her SUV then bounced off the pole and entered a 4 way intersection (thank God another driver with the right-of-way noticed and stopped) and then her car ran into an autobody shop hitting a repaired sedan and running up the side of a boat before stopping. A County Sheriff who was radaring noticed her SUV coming through the intersection without a driver and he was there immediately upon the final impact.

She completely lost her bowels and was foaming at the mouth when the sheriff arrived. She was taken by ambulance to the hospital where a battery of tests was administered following a seizure and nothing was found outside of the range of normal. Luckily she only sustained some bruising from the impacts but her car was a total loss. She was referred to a neurologist who has put her on anti-seizure medication. Since the initial seizure she has had 5 more seizures and 2 additional ambulance rides. Her last seizure was in May 2008, and at that time the neurologist changed her medication. To date she has not had anymore seizures, but continues to be take medication daily with some side effects, e.g., trembling, hair loss, and the potential side effect of horrific birth defects if becoming pregnant.

She has had an EEG, MRI, blood tests, etc., and no cause has been identified. She also has a low BMI which I noticed seems to be a link that has been identified in earlier posts. I would advise any parent or girl over 18 to think very seriously before even considering getting this immunization. The risks far outweigh the benefits. My daughter has been lucky - she could have very well ended her life or some elses during her first seizure. She is once again on driving restriction, per the laws in our State which mandate 90-days in which the driver's license must be surrendered, and the driver must remain seizure free before the license will be reinstated. This drug is NOT safe!!! With all of these occurences someone (Merck / FDA) MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!
posted on Saturday, July 19, 2008 at 11:33 AM by Darci G.


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http://www.kkrasnowwaterman.com/blog/tabid/2962/bid/5747/HPV-vaccine-Gardasil-Seizures-Fainting-Paralyis-Updated-Chart.aspx

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81. Cervical Cancer is listed as a "rare disease" by the NIH Office of Rare Diseases

From the National Institute of Health, the Office of Rare Diseases:

Cervical Cancer is listed as a "rare disease" by the Office of Rare Diseases.
http://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/RareDiseaseList.aspx?StartsWith=C

A rare (or orphan) disease is generally considered to have a prevalence of fewer than 200,000 affected individuals in the United States.
http://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/RareDiseaseList.aspx?PageID=1

From the National Cancer Institute

Estimated new cases and deaths from cervical (uterine cervix) cancer in the United States in 2008:
New cases: 11,070
Deaths: 3,870

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/types/cervical/

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91. Katherine Davison, 20, suffered a stroke after receiving a second Gardasil injection.

Katherine Davison, 20, suffered a stroke after receiving a second Gardasil injection. Davison began feeling dizzy and developed flu-like symptoms; she lost feeling in the left side of her body, her left eye was drooping, her pupils were unevenly dilated, and the dizziness persisted. “Before the shot I was fine, and there is no reason I should have had a stroke,” said Katherine who says she still can’t sense pain or temperature on her left side, sometimes feels dizzy and tires easily, and takes seven medications daily.

http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/3567

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92. 13-year-old Jenny is now almost completely paralyzed

Recently, 13-year-old Jenny, who was seemingly healthy 15 months prior to receiving her third Gardasil shot began showing signs of having been stricken with a degenerative muscle disease; Jenny is now almost completely paralyzed.

August 4th, 2008
http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/3567

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93. Problems at Gardasil Factory May be Easing, but There Are Still Problems

Merck’s Manufacturing Problems at Gardasil Factory May be Easing, but There Are Still Problems
Date Published: Monday, August 4th, 2008

Not too long ago, Merck received a Food & Drug Administration (FDA) warning letter citing good manufacturing practice violations at its vaccine operations in West Point, Pennsylvania following an inspection that cited 49 Form 483 observations. Among the products made at the plant is the cervical cancer vaccine, Gardasil. During its second-quarter earnings call, Merck reported that the FDA closed out the warning letter that claimed bulk drug substances for many of Merck’s vaccines were adulterated.

“On July 10, Merck received a letter from the FDA closing out its recent inspection at the West Point manufacturing facility. As a result, any filed sBLAs which were held up due to the inspection can now move through the agency’s normal review and approval process,” Merck CEO Dick Clark said. “Concerning supplements, we have at least two supplements with the FDA concerning Gardasil and they will move through the process,” he said. Merck states the supplements are for expanded labeling for Gardasil and that it will respond to an FDA complete response letter for the use of the vaccine in women 27–45 years of age.

http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/3567

[cosmik debris]

95. This is looking more like a tantrum than a conversation n/t

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96. It was the regrettable acceptance of the vaccine party line that [mis]led me."

One thing that's different about Amanda's case than some of the others is that both of her parents medical doctors who didn't think twice about having their daughter get the shot – but are now second-guessing themselves. They call their daughter's illness after Gardasil "a very sobering experience." Amanda's dad says, "as the father of three girls, I've had to ask myself why I let my eldest one get an unproven vaccine against a few strains of a nonlethal virus that can be dealt with in many more effective ways. It's not like they are at high risk. It was the regrettable acceptance of the vaccine party line that led me."

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/07/08/couricandco/entry4240888.shtml

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105. "My Girl Died As ‘Guinea Pig’ For Gardasil"

Written by Susan Edelman, published by New York Post

Jessica Ericzon, 17, was “an all-American teenager,” as described by one of her upstate LaFargeville teachers. Last February, she was working on her softball pitches, getting ready for a class trip to Universal Studios in Florida and hitting the slopes to snowboard with her older brother.

Then one day, the blond, blue-eyed honors student collapsed dead in her bathroom. It started with a pain in the back of her head.

On the advice of her family doctor, Jessie had taken a series of three Gardasil shots.

...

http://womenhurtbymedicine.wordpress.com/background-info/

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9. More from the CDC Website: 9,749 reports of potential adverse events following HPV vaccination

Center for Disease Control and Prevention

As of June 30, 2008 VAERS has received a total of 9,749 reports of potential adverse events following HPV vaccination.

Ninety-four percent (94%) of these reports were about non-serious adverse events.

Six percent (6%) of adverse events reported for the HPV vaccine were considered serious, which is about half of the average number of serious reports for other vaccines. In comparison, the overall average in VAERS for any serious adverse event following vaccination ranges from 10% to 15%; therefore, the percentage of serious reports for Gardasil® is less than the overall average for other vaccines.

It is important to note that a report to VAERS does not mean there is a connection between the vaccine and the event. It means the event took place following vaccination.

Deaths and Guillain-Barré Syndrome

VAERS Reports Related to Gardasil VaccinationJune 8, 2006 through April 30, 2008

Note: VAERS defines serious adverse events by the Code of Federal Regulations as adverse events involving hospitalization, death, permanent disability, and life-threatening illness. Also, VAERS data are updated continuously and the number of reports will vary depending on the date of analysis.

The following reports were submitted to VAERS between the date the vaccine was licensed (June 8, 2006) and April 30, 2008.

VAERS received 7,802 reports after Gardasil vaccination in the U.S. Less than 7% reported serious side effects, about half of the average for vaccines overall.

Deaths

VAERS received 15 reports of death following Gardasil vaccination in the U.S. Only 10 reports contained the level of information adequate for further analysis. After careful review of those reports we could not establish the causal relationship between vaccination and death. For the remaining 5 reports of death, we were unable to obtain any patient identifying information; therefore we could not confirm death outcomes. Note: While Gardasil was being tested in the U.S. before it was licensed, 10 people in the group that received the HPV vaccine and 7 people in the placebo group died during the trials. None of the deaths was considered vaccine-related.

Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS)

Note: GBS cases take longer to verify because each case must be confirmed manually by Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment Network (CISA) staff after reviewing the patient's medical record.

VAERS received 31 reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) after Gardasil vaccination in the U.S. Ten have been confirmed. Of the 10 confirmed GBS cases, 5 reported vaccination with Menactra and Gardasil at the same time. Of the remaining 21 reports, 7 did not meet the case definition for GBS (when evaluated by the CISA group), 1 had symptoms of GBS prior to vaccination, 4 are unconfirmed reports, and 9 are pending additional follow-up.

Because GBS occurs at a rate of 1 to 2 per 100,000 person-years during the second decade of life, it is likely that some cases occur after vaccination by chance alone and are not caused by vaccination. Among 9 to 26 year-olds, the number of reports of GBS received by VAERS are within the range that could be expected to occur by chance alone after a vaccination. Studies are underway to evaluate the risk of GBS that may be associated with receipt of Menactra vaccine.

[varkam]

16. Oy.

VAERS received 15 reports of following Gardasil vaccination in the U.S. Only 10 reports contained the level of information adequate for further analysis. After careful review of those reports we could not establish the causal relationship between vaccination and . For the remaining 5 reports of , we were unable to obtain any patient identifying information; therefore we could not confirm outcomes. Note: While Gardasil was being tested in the U.S. before it was licensed, 10 people in the group that received the HPV vaccine and 7 people in the placebo group died during the trials. None of the s was considered vaccine-related.

Isn't it a little bit dishonest to say that this vaccine has killed people when the CDC says that it's an open question?

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10. Video - this girl is completely paralyzed on a ventilator

This poor girl is completely paralyzed, unable to eat or even breathe on her own,
as you can see in this heartbreaking video made by her family.

Maybe she just suddenly got this way and it wasn't due to the gardasil vaccine,
but there sure is a whole lot of cases of this.

Just like with Vioxx, I guess its all in their heads.

[LeftishBrit]

124. It is tragic; but just because someone gets a tragic illness does NOT make it due to a vaccin

If this girl's illness were due to the vaccine, it would probably have developed much closer in time to the vaccine.

She may have developed a devastating infection. Or she may have a genetic disorder that starts to progress in adolescence (there were apparently some signs of neurological abnormality from the beginning, and sadly some such disorders are progressive).

It is not fair to sufferers of serious illnesses to assume that the *only* reason for their illnesses must be a vaccine. It can interfere with the investigation of other causes.

[varkam]

12. You're not up on this whole "logic" thing, are you?

Post hoc ergo, ergo propter hoc. Look it up.

Oh, and your evidence is an online discussion forum? Priceless.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

17. HPV Vaccine, Gardasil, Target Of 2 Major Lawsuits

HPV Vaccine, Gardasil, Target Of 2 Major Lawsuits
Girls Claim Vaccine Paralyzed Them NBC 4 July 8, 2008

...It's now alleged that the drug has paralyzed three girls, and the maker of Gardasil, Merck, is facing two major lawsuits.

According to a recent article in US News and World Report, when Jenny Tetlock was 13, she began experiencing muscle weakness about a month after receiving Gardasil. After about 15 months, she was almost completely paralyzed.

...Vaccine injuries specialist, Dr. Lynne Mielke, said she believes Tetlock's illness was caused by Gardasil.

According to her lawsuit, Jessica Parsons, 15, has been in and out of the hospital since she received the vaccine. She said her lower arms and legs were paralyzed as a result, but she is now learning to walk again.

Brittany LeClaire, 13, alleges that she also suffered paralysis within days of receiving her last dose of Gardasil. She began having severe headaches and lethargy immediately after the injections, and then developed paralysis in her left leg. Following weeks of having to use a walker, Brittany still walks with a limp

...

Tough luck for little girls in Virginia:

Many parents in Virginia will be closely watching the case, News4's Tracee Wilkins reported, because all 6th grade girls are supposed to have the vaccine before attending school.

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[cosmik debris]

26. I can cure eye pain, cysts, warts, epilepsy. remove unwanted

facial hair, and regulate periods with just one bottle of Dr. Feelgood's Snake Oil and Colon Cleanser. $19.95 + shipping and handling.

If you believe that one drug could cause all those things, surely you believe that one drug can cure them.

:rofl:

[Orrex]

28. Is that compatible with Hulda Clark's Zap-O-Matic?

I'd hate to buy into contradictory nostrums.

[cosmik debris]

30. NO! Consult your spiritual adviser before using these together! n/t

[Orrex]

125. Whew! You narrowly saved me from a snake oil overdose!

Who knows how much ineffectual bunk I might have bought into, but for timely warning?!?

[Orrex]

29. Misuse of Gardasil caused Delta Leonus 4 to go supernova

You've been warned! Don't let this happen to you!

[trotsky]

43. It turned me into a newt!

[Liberal Veteran]

55. It caused my cow to miscarry!

And gave my boyfriend the heartbreak of psoriasis.

And I'm pretty sure it blighted my turnips.

[varkam]

82. **BEGIN SECRET MERCK TRANSMISSION**

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[salvorhardin]

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[varkam]

86. Message received. Our corporate masters at Merck will be pleased.

Very pleased, indeed.

Muwahahaha!

[cosmik debris]

85. Respectfully disagree !

I protest.

[varkam]

87. I must report you to Merck's HR Director for the Shill Department.

I am sorry, cosmik debris.

ETA: I wonder how many people are going to take this seriously? Probably more than I think.

[cosmik debris]

88. Merck doesn't scare me

I work for Pfizer!

And I get 3% more per annum than you silly Merck shills.

[varkam]

89. When did you leave GSK?

Well congratulations on your new position with Pfizer! We should not get into in-fighting, though, remember that as Shills we took an oath: We are sworn to spread misinformation until every child on Earth has vaccine-induced autism and every set of genitals is set ablaze from Gardasil.

Keep up the most excellent work, fellow shill.

[cosmik debris]

90. Strength in Unity

Organize Brother!

[LeftishBrit]

117. You are wrong

As everyone knows,

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[varkam]

118. Ah, yes. Thank you for the correction.

:hi:

[SidDithers]

103. Teh stupid! It BURNS!!!...nt

Sid

[Liberal Veteran]

107. Thank you for your efforts to cleanse the gene pool.

Anyone foolish enough to take medical advice from someone who presents only part of a story and who obviously has their mind made up based on anecdotal evidence doesn't really deserve to have their genetic material passed along. Your labors on that behalf are commendable.

/end sarcasm

On a more serious note. You might want to give some thought to the karmic ramifications of trying to sway people's medical decisions.

I am reminded of a certain group of people that convince others that there is a huge conspiracy among the medical community to defraud the public (i.e, AIDS denialists). I wonder how many people have died unnecessarily by being convinced by armchair scientists and conspiracy buffs that there is some huge medical conspiracy to (insert motive here). Like the people who actually bought into the notion that HIV was harmless (which likely led to the person engaging in risky behavior and spreading the virus even more). And further convinced that the very drugs used to help them, were actually the cause of their illness resulting in them abstaining from therapy until it was too late.

You do a HUGE disservice to any good you are trying to accomplish (and I have no doubt your motives are pure regardless of the aspersions you cast on the motives of those you disagree with).

Are you going to feel good about yourself in, say, 20 years if this vaccine causes the incidents of cervical cancer to drop by 50 percent or greater? Are you going to wonder about that one person you managed to convince not to get vaccinated who ends up with a diagnosis of cervical cancer? But hey, at least you saved them three days of soreness from an injection site reaction, which is what the VAST MAJORITY (upwards of 99.99%) are going to suffer at the most from this.

When people get obsessed and go on crusades, they tend not to think about the ramifications of their actions. You know what percent of people are going to suffer an adverse reaction? About 0.03%. 26 MILLION doses of this vaccine have been administered and there is hardly an epidemic of spontaneous paralysis and/or exploding vaginas or whatever anecdote you wish to cull from a site devoted to reporting adverse reactions that linked either by fact or by coincidence to a recent vaccine.

On the flip side of that, we have VAERS and Medwatch and the CDC (and their equivalents in other countries) to collate the data to look for trends and it's good that they exist. The bad part is that people who have an agenda to look at that information reporting service as a bumper crop of anecdotes to pass off a very skewed and unbalanced picture to convince others to agree with their point of view.

Beware of the law of unintended consequences.

[notadmblnd]

110. There are approximately 20 types of HPV that are known to cause cervical cancer

Gardisil prevents two. Don't make the OP feel bad by guilt-ing her. Women will die of cervical cancer whether or not they have the vaccine, They just won't die of the two types Gardisil is supposed to protect against.

It amazes me how men can even stand up and speak to this, never having to risk anything. I will state again... approximately 4000 women die each year of cervical cancer. 36,000 people die from the flu, yet no one is mandating those vaccines.

This is another choice that women need to educate themselves on so that they can make the decision for themselves, not have medical decisions made about their bodies by men that are out to make a profit.

If a woman thinks her life style merits protecting herself against STDs that can cause future cancers, then by all means, she should protect herself. But again, like abortion, it should be her choice. So until they become sexually active, leave our little girls alone.

[varkam]

112. That's a little disengenuous.

While it is true that cervical cancer is caused by more than the two strains of HPV that Gardasil protects against, it is also true that those two strains are responsible for the vast majority of cervical cancer cases (upwards of 70% IIRC).

It amazes me how men can even stand up and speak to this, never having to risk anything. I will state again... approximately 4000 women die each year of cervical cancer. 36,000 people die from the flu, yet no one is mandating those vaccines.

Frankly, the sentiment contained in that statement is a little off-putting. Whether or not one is a man or a woman does not mean that they cannot have an informed opinion. Also, note that men can get HPV, as well which in rare cases can lead to cancer. Where is Gardasil mandated?

[notadmblnd]

115. There were early attempts to make this mandatroy and has since been dropped

Merck, who developed the vaccine and is the ONLY drug company making it, who lobbied, lobbied, lobbied to make YOUR girls have to get it.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-02-20-merck-hpv-vaccine_x.htm

By Rita Rubin, USA TODAY

Merck, maker of the first vaccine against cervical cancer, has decided to stop lobbying for state laws to mandate the shot as a condition of school entry, a company executive said Tuesday.

Texas Gov. Rick Perry signed an executive order Feb. 2 requiring girls, beginning in September 2008, to be immunized before entering sixth grade, and at least 17 other states and the District of Columbia are considering laws to mandate the vaccine, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

But some vaccine proponents have raised concerns that mandating the vaccine could lead to a backlash against it. For example, the American Academy of Family Physicians on Feb. 7 issued a policy statement that said it was "premature" to consider requiring immunization for school entry. "Long-term safety with widespread use, stability of supply and economic issues" must be clarified first, the statement said.



The Gardasil vaccine was approved last June for use in girls and women ages 9 to 26. It prevents infection by two types of human papillomavirus, or HPV, that cause about 70% of cervical cancers and two HPV types that cause about 90% of genital warts cases.
Richard Haupt, Merck's director for vaccine medical affairs, said the company's decision to stop lobbying for mandatory immunization was the result of "ongoing discussions" with public health experts and physicians. "We care about preventing cervical cancer," Haupt said. "Merck's involvement in supporting school requirements was creating a distraction."

Merck spokesman Christopher Loder declined to say how much the company had spent on lobbying.

*** WHY LOBBY?? FOR THE MONEY!! ***

Joseph Bocchini, chairman of the American Academy of Pediatrics' Committee on Infectious Diseases, praised Merck's decision. "At this point, we really don't know whether we even need to consider a mandate," Bocchini said. "We need to get some data over time."
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"While it is true that cervical cancer is caused by more than the two strains of HPV that Gardasil protects against, it is also true that those two strains are responsible for the vast majority of cervical cancer cases (upwards of 70% IIRC)." This I am aware of, as I stated in a previous post.

Now I'm not really concerned about how "put off" my statement makes you feel. My argument has and will continue to be against forcing our little girls to have this vaccine. And until more is known about the long term effects, I would continue to advise the women in my family against having it, just as I'm sure most would advise their sons, if they were the target.

[varkam]

120. As I posted above...

the question of whether or not it should be mandated and whether or not it is safe and effective are two different questions entirely. Personally, I don't think that Merck should of lobbied so heavily to have it mandated - it was just bad business for them.

This I am aware of, as I stated in a previous post.

I must of missed that post.

Now I'm not really concerned about how "put off" my statement makes you feel. My argument has and will continue to be against forcing our little s to have this vaccine. And until more is known about the long term effects, I would continue to advise the women in my family against having it, just as I'm sure most would advise their sons, if they were the target.

Well, I'm glad that you're interested in respectful discourse. The Phase III clinical trial followed 12,000 women who received the injections for about two years - how long do you think would be adequate before it was released to the market? Three years? Five? Ten? Twenty? How long?

[notadmblnd]

122. I would like to see a study done on women who are sexually active

(dare I say promiscuous?) over the course of at least 15 years. As I said previously, the experts don't even know how long the vaccine will be effective or if booster shots will be required in the future. Fifteen years would put the women in the studies in their mid to late 30's after most have had their offspring, to see the effects on both the women and their children.

[depakid]

132. and you might see those IN 15 YEARS

meanwhile, you'll simply continue spreading misinformation and feed peoples' paranoia, while exposing your own family- and possible to preventable harm.