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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:17 AM
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Family of teen injured by vaccine looking for other cases
A teenager's family look for other children with similar injuries:

Friday, July 11, 2008
The Great Race
Hi, Jenny, a 14-year old girl, was stricken suddenly with a debilitating illness a little over one year ago.

If you click through to the blog (http://jenjensfamily.blogspot.com/), you’ll see that some doctors suspect she has a rare form of ALS. There is also a possible link to the HPV vaccine, given that her third Gardasil injection occurred not long before her family began noticing the first symptoms of her illness, but doctors are not sure whether Gardasil played any role in Jenny’s illness.

We are desperately looking for two things:

1) Other cases that might be comparable to Jenny’s. Please read the sidebar in blue (“Am I a Comparable?” http://jenjensfamily.blogspot.com/). Do you know of anyone who might fit the description?

2) Any doctors you know who might have come across cases like Jenny’s in their practice. Can you help get the word to doctors around the world?

The cause of Jenny’s illness remains a medical mystery. Finding relevant comparables – fast – could help to solve that mystery and thus provide a crucial clue to finding the treatment that could save Jenny’s life.

Time is of the essence because Jenny is now a quadriplegic and is losing the struggle to breathe. Therefore, Jenny’s family appeals to you to bring any potential comparables to their notice by sending an e-mail to jenjensfamily@gmail.com.

http://www.jenjensfamily.blogspot.com/

HPV Vaccine Victims Pile Up: $1.5B for Merck

by Barbara Loe Fisher

http://www.vaccineawakening.blogspot.com/
http://www.nvic.org/
http://www.standupbecounted.org/

While Merck has pulled in $1.5B from sales of GARDASIL vaccine worldwide, there are continuing reports that girls are being crippled and dying after getting the HPV vaccine fast tracked and licensed by the FDA in 2006. Although the roll-out of GARDASIL with an unparalleled multi-million dollar mass media advertising blitz has created a profitable market for the drug company that took huge losses from Vioxx injury/death lawsuits, the persistent reports of Guillain Barre Syndrome (GBS) paralysis, arthritis, seizures and sudden loss of consciousness within 24 hours of vaccination continue to haunt the marketing campaign.

more at the link
http://vaccineawakening.blogspot.com/2008/07/hpv-vaccine-victims-pile-up-15b-for.html




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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:22 AM
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1. Very sad
Now our daughters are the next batch of human guinea pigs. :grr:
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:25 AM
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2. Let me get this straight- the cause of the disease is a mystery
so of course it was caused by vaccination!
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 02:36 AM
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3. Vaccines are teh evil, depakid.
Edited on Sat Aug-02-08 02:37 AM by varkam
Especially Gardasil. Don't you know that? Who needs things like logic or discernable aetiology when you've got the Truth(tm) on your side?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:45 PM
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9. 7/29/08 Merck faces Canadian class-action Vioxx case
Trust Merck again? its convenient that the Gardasil vaccine was fast tracked just in time
to help Merck make up the losses from its Vioxx disaster.

Merck is set to make up all of that loss by pushing Gardasil on little girls.

INDIANAPOLIS: A Canadian court has certified another class-action lawsuit against Merck & Co. over its former painkiller Vioxx, for which the U.S. drug maker is doling out billions of dollars to cover American settlements.

The Ontario Superior Court of Justice has certified a case involving Vioxx users outside the Canadian provinces of Quebec and Saskatchewan, where judges have already certified class-action personal injury cases. Vioxx was developed at a Merck research facility in Quebec.

...U.S.-based Merck pulled Vioxx off the market four years ago due to increased cardiac risks, and a stream of litigation followed. The Vioxx case has cost Merck at least $6.8 billion.

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/07/29/business/NA-US-Merck-Vioxx-Canada.php
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:19 PM
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13. Lol.
You're funny.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:47 PM
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10. 7/26 Medscape: HPV Vaccine Adverse Events Worrisome


HPV Vaccine Adverse Events Worrisome Says Key Investigator

Allison Gandey

July 26, 2008 (updated August 1, 2008) — Serious neurologic, thromboembolic, and autoimmune complications have been reported in patients who received human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccines. Although not the norm, experts suggest that the events are grave enough to encourage caution. "The side effects that have been reported are real and they cannot be brushed aside," Diane Harper, MD, from the Dartmouth Medical School, in Hanover, New Hampshire, told Medscape Oncology. Dr. Harper was a principal investigator of clinical HPV vaccine trials for both Merck and GlaxoSmithKline.

News reports of adverse events, teen paralysis, and death have fueled public concern. Back-to-school immunization clinics are stocking up on Merck's Gardasil and more than 16 million doses have reportedly already been distributed in the United States alone. But many parents are questioning whether their children should be vaccinated. And many women are wondering whether they should be vaccinated too.

According to the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA), as of June 30, 2008, more than 9700 adverse events have been reported since the vaccine was approved 2 years ago. Of these, 94% were classified as nonserious events and 6% as severe.

Serious Adverse Events

Nervous system disorders, such as Guillain-Barré syndrome and headache
Thromboembolic events
Musculoskeletal and connective tissue problems
Lymphatic system disorders
Gastrointestinal problems
General disorders and administration site conditions
Immune system problems, including hypersensitivity reactions, bronchospasm, and urticaria


Most Commonly Reported Events

Fainting
Pain at the injection site
Headache
Nausea
Fever

...more at the link http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/578110
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:23 PM
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16. Ohhh, I'm scared.
Of these, 94% were classified as nonserious events and 6% as severe.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:50 PM
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11. CBS HPV Vaccine Could Come With Bad Side Effects
DENVER (CBS4) ― There are new questions being raised about an immunization given to teenage girls to prevent cervical cancer. More than 8,000 reports of side effects have now been reported from Gardasil.

The side effects range from minor, such as nausea or getting lightheaded after the vaccine, all the way to paralysis and maybe even blood clots causing death.

...Amanda Radner got so sick after her vaccine she needed morphine to control pain. Her parents are both doctors and they blame Gardasil.

"She's gone from being a competitive varsity lacrosse player in high school to someone who is chronically ill," Dr. Scott Radner said.

Jessica Vega was 13 years old when she received her Gardasil vaccine. Soon after she became paralyzed and needed a year of wheelchair, braces and therapy to get her back on her feet.

Brittany Bell of Florida got a vaccine and later developed paralysis as well.

So did Jenny of California.

"As the father of two other daughters, you can be fairly certain we are not going to administer Gardasil to any of our other children," Radner said.

...http://cbs4denver.com/consumer/gardasil.danger.paralysis.2.766473.html
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:24 PM
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17. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. eom
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:34 PM
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31. Hey blatherer, keep it up, kicks the thread to the top
keep on posting your blathering, it helps kick the thread up so people can read the OP.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 08:56 PM
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34. Ohhh, you're calling me names now.
:rofl:
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:52 PM
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12. "Merck, Gardasil's manufacturer, worked politically to get some laws passed but have since stopped."
http://cbs4denver.com/consumer/gardasil.danger.paralysis.2.766473.html

The Gardasil vaccine is a promotional item intended to help Merck survive the losses
from lawsuits where Merck's other drugs have killed heart patients or children.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:24 PM
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18. Uh-huh. eom
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:52 AM
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21. Thousands of cases of deaths and major injuries like this reported to Gov't VAERS
Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/VAERS-080206.htm

A good source of unbiased credible information on such can be found at the Institute for Vaccine Safety web site, Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health
http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/

some cases I'm familiar with are at:
www.flcv.com/autisDPT.html
this is a small subset of cases I'm familiar with as reported to the largest autism research institute, ARI
www.autism.com which has a lot of information about such on their web site
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:37 PM
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23. What does that have to do with anything?
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 01:37 PM by varkam
I'm well aware of VAERS, and the many inherent problems with it (such as the fact that people are encouraged to report even if they are not sure the AE was caused by vaccines) - but what does that have to do with what I'm saying? I'm not saying that no one experiences adverse reactions from vaccines. Rather, we were discussing this case in particular.

some cases I'm familiar with are at:
www.flcv.com/autisDPT.html


Your article starts off with "Vaccines kill many." Honestly, I wanted to stop reading right there - I can't think of a more utterly ridiculous way to start things off - but I forced myself to trudge onward into the stupid. What you've got there is a load of anecdotal reports from random people on the internet.

Not exactly damning, philb - but I can't find an expert to disagree with it, so therefore you must be right! :eyes:
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:13 PM
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24. These people aren't random; they are mostly parents of kids treated at an autism treatment clinic
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 02:16 PM by philb
in the Southeast, with conditions documented by doctors there as being related to vaccinations and toxic metal exposures, primarily. These are a subset of a larger group that one of the doctors there talks about, at www.flcv.com/autismc.html

Vaccines are well documented in the medical and clinical experience to cause brain inflammation, which is responsible for both deaths and for common neurological damage.

This has been the consistent finding of the doctors at autism treatment clinics treating hundreds of thousands of kids for autism, ADHD, learning disabilities, etc. as documented on the website of the biggest autism research institute and the autism association, based on many thousands of cases they and the doctors have dealt with.
www.austism.com

Autism Research Institute
Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of Biomedical Interventions for large group of parents of children who had autism
http://www.autism.com/treatable/form34qr.htm
Parent Ratings of Behavioral Effects of Biomedical Interventions for Asperger Syndrome http://www.autism.com/treatable/form34qraspergersyndrome.htm

Autism is a treatable condition characterized by brain inflammation and by metabolic dysfunction caused by bacterial, viral, or fungal infections related to a weakened immune system and by enzymatic blockages resulting in metabolic dysfunction. The primary causes are prenatal and neonatal toxic metal and vaccine related exposures usually in children with inability to excrete toxic metals due to blood allele type and/or damaged metallothionein enzymatic function. Clinics treating autistic children have found most have extremely high levels of toxic metals and significantly improve after chelation/detoxification, with most able to return to school and catching up with their peers in classroom skills if they receive early intervention and proper treatment.

74% of the children showed significant improvement after chelation/detox treatment with only 3% worse.

The 2nd most effective drug therapy was anti-fungal diflucan with 53% improved and 5% worse. The anti-fungal nystantin had 50% improvement and 5% worse.

The most effective non-drug supplement additions were melatonin, Vit B12, food allergy treatment, hyperbaric oxygen treatment, fish oil, digestive enzymes, and zinc.

Gluten and Casein free diets and other similar diets were also highly effective in causing significant improvement in condition, in the majority of children.
The reason for this has been documented by medical studies and is related to the effects of mercury and aluminum from vaccines:
www.flcv.com/autismgc.html
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:26 PM
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26. Wow.
These people aren't random; they are all parents of kids treated at an autism treatment clinic in the Southeast, with conditions documented by doctors there as being related to

Hate to break it to you, but her research has not been published, nor has the research of her references. Wonder why that is. Note that chelation is a dangerous procedure, unvetted for efficacy by scientific data, and is responsible for the of at least one autistic child. Of course, all that depends on the premise that autism is really metal toxcicity. Even if it was, detoxing wouldn't make much of a difference.

Vaccines are well documented in the medical and clinical experience to cause brain inflammation, which is responsible for both s and for common neurological damage.

Equivocation. Even if true (which, coming from you, I doubt it), it doesn't change the fact that vaccines have not been linked to autism or any other developmental disorder.

For evidence you give me a list of parent's ratings? What incredible crap. The parents that would subject their kids to chelation are ones that already believe it is going to to help. They've already drunk deep the kool-aid that autism is caused by mercury toxicity. I'll give you a hint as to why this doesn't mean anything: confirmation bias.

Gluten and Casein free diets and other similar diets were also highly effective in causing significant improvement in condition, in the majority of children.
The reason for this has been documented by medical studies and is related to the effects of mercury and aluminum from vaccines:
www.flcv.com/autismgc.html


More self-referential claptrap from the master of self-referential claptrap.
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:25 PM
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25. Most of these kids had both mercury, lead, etc. -doc. to cause 10 to 100 times more toxic effects
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 02:29 PM by philb
(their metals levels were documented by med. labs) www.flcv.com/hgsynerg.html

Synergistic Effects of Mercury with Other Toxic Metals: Extreme Synergistic Toxicity

Mercury and lead are extremely neurotoxic and cytotoxic, but their combined synergistic effect is much worse(1,4). A dose of mercury sufficient to kill 1% of tested rats, when combined with a dose of lead sufficient to kill less than 1% of rats, resulted in killing 100 % of rats tested(1a,4). Thus with combined exposure the safe dose is 1/100 as much as the dose individually. Studies in Australia have confirmed similar relationships hold for people(6). This means most people in the U.S. are getting dangerous levels of these metals, enough to cause some neurologic effects.

Similar is true for synergistic effect with other toxic metals like cadmium and arsenic(1), and with other toxic chemicals like PCBs(2a) and pesticides and tobacco smoke(2b). The level of mercury thimerosal in vaccines has been shown to be highly neurotoxic, but the effect was found to be much larger due to the synergistic effect with aluminum, which is also in most vaccines(4). Studies using U.S. CDC data have found thimerosal from vaccines to be major factors in autism and ADHD(5), along with prenatal rhogam shots which contain high levels of mercury thimerosal and are given to some RH negative women during pregnancy.

Dental amalgam has been documented by hundreds of thousands of medical lab tests to be the largest source of mercury in most adults or children who have several amalgam fillings(7,8). Mother’s dental amalgams have been documented to be the largest source or mercury in the fetus, with levels in the fetus higher than in the mother’s blood(8), and similar for mercury levels in young infants. Medical lab tests commonly find significant levels of other toxic metals such as lead, arsenic, cadmium, antimony, etc. in both adult and children’s hair or urine tests(12), and commonly find related adverse health effects such as ADHD and learning disabilities.

Autism increased in the U.S. more than 10 fold in the 1990s. According to the Florida Dept. of Education, the numbers increased from approx. 300 to over 4000 during this time period. There have likewise been large increases in the number of children with ADHD and other developmental conditions, according to the National Academy of Sciences and other sources(12) . A major factor in this appears to be the large increase in vaccinations given to infants, as noted in the previous post. (more documentation available at the childrens neurological page, www.flcv.com/indexk.html

There was an increase of over 45% in learning disabilities in Pennsylvania between 1990 and 2000(3). But the study showed that the county highest on the Chemical Pollution Scorecard, Montgomery, had an increase more than double that of the rest of the state. Montgomery County had an increase in ADHD of 32.7% and an increase in autism of 310%. An analysis of the U.S. Dept. of Education report on the prevalence of various childhood conditions among school children found that the rate of autism and speech disorders increased with increasing levels of thimerosal exposure from vaccines(5). A study of environmental mercury levels in Texas school districts found a 61 percent increase in autism and a 43 percent increase in special education cases for every 1,000 pounds of mercury released into the environment(9a). Autism prevalence diminished by 2 percent for every 10 miles of distance from a mercury source. Another similar study found similar results and estimated economic costs due to disability or lower IQ (9b). Fossil fuel-burning power plants were the largest source of the widespread mercury pollution(9) but dental amalgam was the largest source in sewers and a significant source of environmental mercury in water bodies, fish, and air emissions(10).

Dr Michael Godfrey and dentist Noel Campbell write:"...a lethal dose (LD1 ) was combined with a 1/20th LD1 of lead, resulting in a LD 100 <100% death rate> in the test animals."We have recently found that considerable amounts of lead may be excreted with the mercury following DMPS provocation. Our preliminary investigations appear to indicate that a synergistic effect could be identified by multiplying the lead and mercury concentrations together, after adjusting to IG of urine creatinine. We have termed this the Campbell-Godfrey factor (C-G factor). Chronic-ally affected patients may have high levels of either metal or a high total C-G factor. Those with the highest C-G factor appear to be the worst affected, thus indicating that the synergism in animals is replicated in man."



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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 02:28 PM
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27. Oh, Bernie, you're such a card!
Geier and Geier? Really?
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:32 PM
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30. Projecting? You call philb by another name here & on other thread you called me "philb"
do you just go from thread to thread accusing DU'ers of having double identities?

Perhaps you are accusing others of what you are doing. Projection.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 08:55 PM
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33. The stupid, it burns.
Bernie is his/hers/its name, well, sometimes anyway.

And on the other thread I just didn't expect someone else to jump into the conversation and didn't notice it was you.

And where have I accused anyone of "projection"? I would like a link or an apology - your choice.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:44 AM
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38. Hey, more name calling!
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 12:56 AM by varkam
No - I think there are many legitimate criticisms of pharmaceutical companies. You just haven't voiced any. Why all the personal attacks? Is that all you've got left?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 05:15 PM
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32. There is no real evidence that autism is caused by vaccines/mercury
In the UK, the vaccines given to children have not contained mercury for many years (in the case of some vaccines, ever); but autism rates are at least as high in the UK as the USA.

In America, autism rates have not declined since mercury was removed from most vaccines.

In Japan, the MMR vaccine was removed for several years, and then re-introduced. Autism rates were not affected.

Autism diagnoses have increased largely because of changes in diagnostic criteria. Dorothy Bishop and colleagues recently showed that many children who were diagnosed as language-impaired in the 1970s and 80s would now be diagnosed as autistic. Many children who would have been diagnosed as just 'mentally retarded' in the 1970s are now diagnosed as having low-functioning autism; many who would have been diagnosed as 'emotionally disturbed' or 'maladjusted' or just considered to be odd in the 1970s are now diagnosed as having high-functioning autism or Asperger syndrome.

In addition, many very premature or sick babies who would have died 30 years ago now survive with an increased risk of autism, increasing the incidence rates.

It may be that there are other environmental factors that increase the risk of autism. If so, they probably operate prenatally.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 05:48 AM
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40. Who needs evidence?
They've got links! And parents! And teh Troof!
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 06:24 AM
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4. Disturbingly dishonest "headline"
It is not established that the vaccine had anything to do with her condition. But the screams of "PANIC! VACCINES ARE TEH EVUL!" go out anyway.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 09:01 AM
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5. Tragic, but there seems to be no real evidence that the vaccine caused it.
The fact that the disorder began two months after she was vaccinated is not evidence for its being a cause. In fact, if the vaccination was a cause, one would have expected the symptoms to be closer in time to the vaccination.

I would suggest that the family contact the website www.undiagnosed.org.uk, if they haven't yet. It's a resource for people with undiagnosed medical conditions in themselves or their children, and helps them to get information, and to make contacts with others with similar conditions.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 03:58 PM
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6. Exactly.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just because there is a temporal connection between two events does not mean that there is a causal connection between them, as well. In addition and like you said, one would expect the symptoms to have developed sooner if the vaccine were in fact the cause.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:34 PM
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7. Texas Jun '08 HPV vaccine's suspected side effects cause concern
June 6, 2008
By JESSICA MEYERS / The Dallas Morning News
jmeyers@dallasnews.com

Katherine Kimzey started suffering debilitating headaches, fainting spells and arthritis-like stiffness last November.

Video

Katherine Kimzey, 14, talks about symptoms she suffered after her second dose of Gardasil.
06/05/2008

Six weeks later, the 14-year-old Dallas resident became so dizzy she could barely walk. She was hospitalized and missed three weeks of school.

Then, she had a seizure. For weeks, she bounced back and forth between specialists and was eventually diagnosed with epilepsy.

Katherine's mother, Michelle Kimzey, now believes her daughter's symptoms were caused by a new vaccine that was supposed to protect her against cervical cancer.

The symptoms started not long after Katherine had her second shot late last year, she said. And they mirrored many of the 5,000 reports filed by the public through a national database that monitors the safety of vaccines after they are licensed.

"When you read everybody's stories, they're too similar not to be related," Mrs. Kimzey said.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/fea/healthyliving2/stories/060608dnmetvaccine.31383ea.html

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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:21 PM
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14. Do you even read the swill that you're posting.
Six weeks later, the 14-year-old Dallas resident became so dizzy she could barely walk.

Six weeks? Come on, now.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 10:37 PM
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8. Cervical Cancer Vaccine Shots Cause Intense Pain; Girls Fainting
Friday, August 01, 2008 by: David Gutierrez

Merck's human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine Gardasil is gaining a reputation as the most painful childhood shot, and has led to a surge in the rate of people fainting from vaccinations.

Gardasil protects against the two strains of HPV that are responsible for 70 percent of cervical cancer cases and the two strains that cause 90 percent of genital warts.

According to 18-year-old Lauren Fant from Georgia, the Gardasil vaccine hurts more than other shots she has had. While most vaccines prick only at the moment that the needle breaks the skin, Gardasil also hurts while the medicine is being injected.

...Since its introduction in 2006, Gardasil has also been linked to an increased risk of fainting in girls who receive the shot. While there were only 50 reports of vaccine-associated fainting in girls between the years of 2002 and 2004, there were 230 between 2005 and July 2007. Approximately 180 of these incidents - essentially the entire difference - were attributed to Gardasil.
...
http://www.naturalnews.com/023745.html
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-08 11:21 PM
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15. Natural News? Nice try. eom
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:09 PM
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28. only attacks messenger, never has ANY facts at all
I've seen on three different threads now, that your main method of operation is
to:

attack the poster - you accused me of posting under two different names, when I have been posting
under one name for years here at DU,

attack the messenger - any organization or news outlet that doesn't agree with your point of view
is wrong or garbage

But what you are unable to do is disprove the facts stated.

There have been approx 9,000 injuries reported that are related to the HPV vaccine, and this is a new vaccine!

It was fast tracked, meaning it wasn't thoroughly studied.

The placebo was rigged - it had aluminum in it which is one of the ingredients that is
toxic to humans. So naturally, the placebo group had side effects too.

The common thread here is you want to demonize people who want only well tested and necessary vaccines, and who ask questions before letting big pharma peddle their wares.

Some of us learned from the damages caused by Thalidomide, or by DES, but people like you want
us to leap off the cliff and trust Big Pharma and the govt which is in bed with Big Pharma.

Some vaccinations can be beneficial, but now this is a big profit area and greed trumps our best interests.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:02 PM
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35. What the hell?
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 09:06 PM by varkam
attack the poster - you accused me of posting under two different names, when I have been posting
under one name for years here at DU,


:rofl: I think you're reading too much into what I said about you and philb having similar posting styles.

attack the messenger - any organization or news outlet that doesn't agree with your point of view
is wrong or garbage


No - it's just that certain outlets are demonstrably non-objective, such as Daily Mail and Natural News and the NVIC.

It was fast tracked, meaning it wasn't thoroughly studied.

If I recall there were several thousand people who were involved in the clinical trials.

The placebo was rigged - it had aluminum in it which is one of the ingredients that is
toxic to humans. So naturally, the placebo group had side effects too.


I'd go into explaining to you about LD50's, dose-response and things like that, but I'm sure you don't need to hear about those things. Why, you've already earned your MD at Google U!

The common thread here is you want to demonize people who want only well tested and necessary vaccines, and who ask questions before letting big pharma peddle their wares.

No, I just tend to think that your particular brand of hysteria is not thought through very well. Sorry if that is offensive to you.

Some of us learned from the damages caused by Thalidomide, or by DES, but people like you want
us to leap off the cliff and trust Big Pharma and the govt which is in bed with Big Pharma.


Lol, yes, that's exactly what I want.

Some vaccinations can be beneficial, but now this is a big profit area and greed trumps our best interests.

Yawn.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:50 PM
Response to Reply #35
37. maybe your mom took away your video games
you sure are a sick puppy.
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varkam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 12:49 AM
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39. I've been called worse by better.
Edited on Mon Aug-04-08 12:50 AM by varkam
So pardon me if I save my tears for another day.
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WildClarySage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #8
19. I'm guessing that cervical cancer
hurts worse.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 04:36 PM
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42. Shots and fainting?
I recently had 3 EMT-IV students pass out in class when watching IV's be started. I'm guessing there's a link between watching IV's be started and Autism. Of course I only have anecdotal evidence to back that up.

David
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philb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 10:25 AM
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22. There is a huge amount of documentation of harm in medical literature and Gov't data bases
Edited on Sun Aug-03-08 10:28 AM by philb
Which has been posted before.
The largest and best known autism research institute and the autism association have had lots of documentation on their web site for years, from experience of hundreds of thousands of cases www.autism.com
and likewise from the many autism treatment clinics around this country and others that have experience with hundreds of thousands of cases. See website above.

and likewise the federal Gov't VAERS data base and CDC data base and etc.

Lots of credible studies have documented the adverse health effects caused by the toxic metals mercury and aluminum in vaccines, including deaths, autism, ADHD, schizophrenia, and many immune and inflammation related conditions

www.flcv.com/autismgc.html
www.flcv.com/ASDendo.html
www.flcv.com/kidshg.html

the best known medical professor and researcher at U. of Florida, Dr. Cade (better known as inventor of Gator Aide) is one of the major researchers quoted in these review papers.

The fact that some people without evidence to back them up and mostly with ties to special interests claim all vaccines are safe doesn't change the facts and the well documented history.


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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 09:03 AM
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20. this seems a better approach
I would not subject my kid to Gardasil. There aren't any studies saying it lowers the incidence of cervical cancer, and it doesn't even protect against a common strain of HPV associated with cervical cancer. It runs the risk of giving people a false sense of security.

Hopefully VivaGel will be available soon.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/104773.php

Starpharma Holdings Ltd (ASX:SPL, OTCQX:SPHRY) announced that recent studies have shown that SPL7013, the active ingredient in its topical microbicide VivaGel(R), inhibits clinically-relevant strains of the human papillomavirus (HPV) in laboratory tests.

Starpharma CEO, Dr Jackie Fairley said: "These are exciting results which have positive implications for VivaGel(R), and which merit further investigation. In the light of these, it is possible that VivaGel(R) has potential for reducing the risk of Genital HPV infection, the most common sexually transmitted infection in the United States."

In the US alone, 6.2 million people are newly infected with HPV each year.

Studies conducted in the laboratories of Professor Ian Frazer (University of Queensland, Australia) and Dr John Schiller (National Cancer Institute, USA) have demonstrated that SPL7013 ! is a potent inhibitor of several HPV strains in vitro. In thes! e tests SPL7013 has demonstrated activity against HPV strains responsible for genital / cutaneous warts (HPV-5, -6) and cancercausing HPV strains (HPV-16 & -45). Testing of other clinically relevant HPV strains is ongoing.

An interesting finding of the recent study is that SPL7013 showed potent inhibition of HPV-45, one of the strains commonly associated with cervical cancer which is not covered by existing HPV vaccines.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-03-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #20
29. this sounds alot less dangerous, thanks for sharing
you do some great research! No one wants women/girls or anyone to get cancer,
but we must also remember to do no harm.

Some of the vaccines being promoted not only are dangerous, causing some of the diseases they
claim to prevent.

Some girls have developed genital warts from the Gardasil vaccine.

Some have died.

Some are paralysed.

Healthy girls now sick or dead.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-04-08 06:26 AM
Response to Reply #20
41. A gel that inhibits the virus sounds like something that would need to be applied regularly
for life, presumably.
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