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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 06:24 AM
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Both sides in California's Prop. 8 battle look ahead to 2010


The gay-marriage ban issue could be back on the ballot in two years. Regardless, backers and foes are organizing supporters, waging a fierce public relations campaign and considering their next moves.

By Jessica Garrison
November 22, 2008

In normal political campaigns, election day -- win or lose -- signals the end.

Not so with Proposition 8, the constitutional amendment defining marriage as only between a man and a woman that was approved by 52% of California voters Nov. 4.

Instead of settling the question of gay marriage in California, the election merely ushered in a new, and in many cases more heated, phase of the campaign, with both sides looking ahead to 2010, when the matter could be back on the ballot.

This could happen no matter how the state Supreme Court rules. The court announced this week that it would review the legality of Proposition 8 in response to several lawsuits filed by cities and gay couples.

If justices uphold the proposition, gay marriage backers plan to put their own measure before voters perhaps as soon as 2010 to re-amend the state Constitution to allow the marriages.

If the justices toss out Proposition 8, some gay-marriage opponents have talked of putting something on the ballot themselves, either to again ban gay marriage or to oust Supreme Court justices or both.

"Election day has come and gone, but the campaign is clearly far from over," said Eric Jaye, a political consultant who has worked on gay rights campaigns around the country and has also advised San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom. "The question is not if this will be back on the ballot. The question is when this will be back on the ballot."

To that end, the pro-Proposition 8 side is still paying its political consultants, Frank Schubert and Jeff Flint, who say they are fielding more media requests than they did before the election and are beginning to lay plans for the next campaign.

The No on 8 side, meanwhile, has taken to the streets with dozens of protests and vigils across the state and nation. A left-leaning political group, the Courage Campaign, has begun collecting virtual signatures to get the matter back on the ballot. And one lesbian couple from Pasadena have even set out on a well-publicized pilgrimage from Los Angeles to the Supreme Court in San Francisco.

Many on the No on 8 side are also trying to figure out what went wrong with their campaign. Their side was leading in polls in the weeks before the election and has since been accused of not doing enough outreach to blacks and Latinos and not responding quickly or effectively enough to the other side's claims about what effect the proposition would have on public school curriculums.

Both sides also continue to work on organizing their supporters and are waging a fierce public relations battle in which they try to paint their opponents as liars and outside the bounds of civil society.

Leaders of the Yes on 8 campaign say their supporters have become the victims of threats, blacklisting, violence and vandalism, with churches desecrated, supporters told they are bigots and businesses and individuals picketed and harassed because they contributed money to the Yes on 8 campaign.

"A great number" of supporters of Proposition 8 "are being persecuted . . . mercilessly," said Andrew Pugno, lawyer for the Protect Marriage committee. He called on Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger to "help protect people to exercise their rights."

Yes on 8 leaders also pointed to rallies and vandalism outside Mormon churches and temples in California, and an instance last week in which white powder was sent to the Mormon Temple in Los Angeles and another to the temple in Salt Lake City. And several people in the Mormon Church, whose members contributed millions to help pass Proposition 8, say they have been targeted.

"This is very frightening, to have them come back here to the back of my house . . . with scissors to boot," said Eileen Olson, 80, who said vandals took her Yes on 8 signs from her frontyard and destroyed them -- four times.

More------------------>http://www.latimes.com/news/local/politics/cal/la-me-prop8-campaign22-2008nov22,0,6496229.story


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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 01:39 PM
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1. I want a proposition declaring that Mormonism is not in any way a Christian faith.
I wonder what the Smith cultists will think about the initiative process then?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 03:24 PM
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2. The CA Supreme Court justices cannot really be "ousted"....

another point that I'd wish the LA Times would get right.

Only 2 of the justices are up for "retention" in 2010, which means voters have to decide whether or not they remain in the Court, Justice Moreno, who appears to be against the initiative, and Chief Justice George. It rarely happens, but a campaign could be waged against their retention.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 04:59 PM
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3. if someone gets enough signatures to recall a justice
Edited on Sat Nov-22-08 04:59 PM by dwickham
it will go on the ballot

just like they did to Grey Davis


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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 07:26 PM
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5. Are you sure about this, is there any precedent?

CA Supreme Court justices are not elected to office, they are appointed by the governor.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 03:26 PM
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6. they have to stand for election after a certain number of years
San Francisco just voted a judge out of office who was a repug appointee


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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:41 PM
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8. Right, its usually the first election before the end of their 12 year term..

that's why I said that Moreno and George are up for retention in 2010.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 06:55 PM
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10. BUT if a recall gets put on the ballot
they're face the recall no matter when their election is set for


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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 08:18 PM
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12. Where is the law that says CA Supreme Court justices can get recalled...

in this way?
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 12:42 PM
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13. google is your friend
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-25-08 04:04 PM
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14. deleted
Edited on Tue Nov-25-08 04:07 PM by AntiFascist
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:58 PM
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9. They can be non-reconfirmed, e.g. Rose Bird in 1986
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Spectral Music Donating Member (349 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 07:25 PM
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11. Why are out-of-staters allowed to mess with California government?
We need to outlaw outside money.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-27-08 08:57 PM
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15. Theoretically they can be impeached, although I doubt it will happen. n/t
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-22-08 05:30 PM
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4. I will do anything I can to get rid of this horror (Prop. H8).
I'm going to the Candlelight March for Equality tonight in Oceanside, CA.

In Solidarity and Friendship,
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-24-08 05:14 PM
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7. The pro-marriage crowd should put a proposition on the ballot.

"To protect the sanctity of marriage, the State of California will not recognize any marriage between two people of the same or different gender."

I figure that sounds anti-gay enough to trick a number of people into voting to ban all marriages.


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