Recommend if you would like a Homophobe Forum

[ColoradoMagician]

So that all the Homophobes could hang out there, rather than hanging out in the GBLT forum.


The GLBT forum seems to be filling up with anti-gay posts.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

1. thats all the big forums

not every poster in those forums, but enough homophobes and homophobia to make me never want to post in there

[ColoradoMagician]

2. I hear you, I am staying away from them more and more

...

[Zuiderelle]

3. I do think there should be tighter rules regarding homophobia here than elsewhere on DU.

The first sign of homophobia in THIS forum should be treated very harshly. We have every other forum here to "discuss" our rights with people who don't think we are important. We don't really need to keep getting pounced on in this forum.

I think that the minute some asshole says "Americans don't care about gay marriage" or "You are a single-issue voter" or "Blacks had to wait 100 years for freedom, you need to be patient" or "It took women 40 years to get the right to vote in every state" to someone in this forum when discussing gay rights, they should be banned immediately. And if not banned from the site, at the very least banned from posting in this forum.

I'm sick to death of it.

[LostinVA]

4. I'm sick of it, too -- the forum needs to be Modded much stricter

[foxfeet]

6. Agreed!

We ought to be safe from attack (and malignant stupidity) here in this little corner of cyberspace.

[terrya]

7. I completely agree

This isn't "discussion" when someone comes into this forum and posts bullshit like "you should stop being so angry and just deal with it" regarding being patronizingly referred to as "single issue" people. I'd suggest to those people who would label us as "single issue" people to go into the Guns forum and peddle that "single issue" crap down there and see what the result would be.

That's why we have these individual forums, in my opinion. To discuss issues relating to the topics of interest, WITHOUT bullshit we shouldn't have to deal with.

[unpossibles]

5. There is one

but I can't post the link or I'll get tombstoned.

[The Doctor.]

8. Congrats on making the greatest.

But any actual homophobes don't tend to last long enough on DU to create a forum for them.

[LostinVA]

13. There are some who have been here for YEARS

[The Doctor.]

15. Who are they and what are they still doing here?

I know that this is a 'big tent' place, but seriously... no one who believes that being GLBT makes someone 'wrong' or 'bad' belongs here.

I guess I just haven't seen any of them.

[Zhade]

185. Petgoat. I got his ass BANNED.

If he's out there: FUCK YOU - I WON, ASSHOLE.

[RetiredTrotskyite]

9. We Need A Safe Space....

for LGBT DU'ers. It seems as if the other forums allow patronising, homophobic posts. The GLBT forum is the ONE place we shouldn't have to put up with that crap.

[yardwork]

10. I like the fact that homophobes are drawn to our forum, where they drown in their own idiocy.

I'm perfectly happy to function as a Venus Fly Trap.

[pacalo]

11. I just wanted to point out that each thread from the GLBT forum is listed on the

"Latest Discussion Page". DUers who peruse the site for interesting threads through the LDP are able to see each thread from each forum listed there.

The GLBT forum should be an oasis for you all. Perhaps Skinner could have all the GLBT threads hidden on the "Latest Discussion Page" from intruders?

[Zuiderelle]

12. God no. We need supporters here who don't always come in here.

Having our threads off the Latest Discussions would be a very bad idea.

It's not just about us, it's about our supporters too, and about educating people who don't understand our issues.

We just don't want to be abused here. That's all.

[pacalo]

14. I totally agree, but the poster seemed surprised that outsiders were responding to GLBT threads.

I do support gay rights & believe that it shouldn't be an issue at all. It's already written in the Constitution that we're all equal under the law.

I even lost contact with my dearest cousin's daughter over this issue a long time ago. I've worked with a lot of gays & they have been a joy to know. I could go on, but I felt the need to say this after intruding onto a thread on election night when I was so happy that Obama won. I should have kept my mouth shut!

:hi:

[Zuiderelle]

16. I think the OP was just expressing surprise at the homophobia that creeps in here...

not just by non-gay posters posting here.

We welcome supporters here, gay or straight or anything in between.

I wouldn't hesitate to post in the African American forum, but I SURE would hesitate to post something anti-African American there. (Which is really a moot point, since I wouldn't post anything anti-African American anywhere.)

It's really appalling how many homophobes come in here to explicitly insult us. Not just because a thread appears on the latest page either. They are even posting their own threads here now. Not just responding to ours.

[pacalo]

28. Just know that I do support the GBLT, PelosiFan.

I've been ashamed of myself since I barged in on election night. I was so thrilled with Obama winning the presidency, I didn't fully think then about how awful the California vote was. When one group of people's civil rights are dismissed, it should deeply concern everyone.

:hug:

[Zuiderelle]

34. I appreciate that.

Thanks.

[Iggo]

193. LOL..."outsiders"

Dayum.

B-)

[uppityperson]

23. I think it is there only if you have it as one of your forums. Do you see "rural" on your latest pag

I have that as one of "my forums" and see it on my latest page. Posts posted there show up on my latest page also. I think the forums you chose show up there. Or else I am totally wrong, which happens also.



Go to options page, then "my forums" and you will see what you have chosen for your forums. Those posts will show up for you. If a DUer doesn't have a forum listed (beyond gd/gdp/ed/lounge/lbn/vids/research), then topics won't show up.

[pacalo]

29. Thanks for the info, uppity (love your user name!).

As entertaining & sometimes side-splitting the Lounge can be, it's the only forum I've opted to exclude on my LDT page. I like to visit there, but I'm more focused on political events.

:hug: for you, uppity.

[Zuiderelle]

39. I think the "groups" don't show, but these forums do.

Otherwise, I definitely wouldn't be seeing the "Bush/Conservatives" or "Entertainment" threads I see on the latest page right now.

GLBT is a forum and not a group so, the latest threads here do show up on the Latest page.

[bluedawg12]

18. They're good practice dummies

[Jamastiene]

17. A Homophobe Forum on Yahoo Groups maybe...

I'd rather see homophobes on DU pushing granite pizza daisies.

[Mike 03]

19. Maybe it would be for the best

I was horrified a few mornings ago to see some of the posts that were here. They were vicious, insensitive and intrusive.

This place should be safe for people who value civil rights and just want to be with friends and others who feel the same way.

I understand that moderators can't be alert and awake 24 hours a day, but on the other hand, there needs to be some way to keep hatred out here.

If creating another forum is what it takes to keep this forum safe, pleasant, contructive and peaceful, I'm for it 100%.

[yardwork]

35. I think it's helpful that straight folks see the "vicious, insensitive, and intrusive" comments.

Gay people are used to it, but it's helpful when straight people see bigotry in action.

It really doesn't bother me at all.

[wildflowergardener]

20. Forum

It could be that people don't realize they are in the GLBT forum. I read all my news from the greatest page and might not notice what forum it is posted in, for example. I wouldn't come into the group and post knowingly because I don't feel I should as I'm not gay but might reply to a post on the greatest page (as I have here).

Meg

[donco6]

21. I'm going to disagree on this one.

Yes, the dumbass phobes who post really set my teeth on edge. And their obvious antigay posts tend to stay up much too long. HOWEVER, I have learned a HUGE amount from those of you who post in opposition to these nutjobs. Like the civil union issue - I knew there was something . . . wrong with the idea, but I just couldn't express it. After having read posts by mondo joe and bluedawg12 and priyanka and LostinVA and terrya and so many others, now I think I could hold my own ANYWHERE this issue came up.

So I don't really want to ban the phobes too fast. No, I don't think THEY learn a damn thing . . . but I do.

[ColoradoMagician]

22. I am not surprised, but I am tired of it.

I have dealt with homophobia for all of my life, so I am not surprised anymore.

Many of you make great arguements on this thread. Many of you are a voice of reason, which many times I am not.

I also know that such a forum, one that homophobes would admit that they are homophobes just by joining or hanging out in a forum with such a name, would have very, very little traffic.


They don't even admit it to themselves. I have heard, "Well, I don't like gays because of" this or that. I have never heard anyone say, "Yeah, I am a homophobe."

[bliss_eternal]

27. Of course you're tired of it...

...you're human. During times of stress, when you are fighting to have the world at large recognize your rights, it's painful (and exhausting) to have to deal with petty bs. You really shouldn't have to.

[LostinVA]

30. BLISSEY!!!!!

:pals:

[bliss_eternal]

33. ..............

:hi::hug:

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

76. I'm not sure if I've said hi to you since I've gotten back

HI!!!!!!!

:hi:

:hug:

:loveya:

[bliss_eternal]

97. Hey you....

...Welcome back!
:hi::hug:

[bliss_eternal]

24. Just a suggestion...

...do with it what you will, of course.

Since the '04 elections when glbt were collectively blamed for dems loss to the Larry Craig insanity, I've long wondered why glbt doesn't have a donor area, or du group. As an outsider looking in, it pisses me off to no end to see people following glbt members here, to continue arguments from locked threads in the main forums. While there are rules against groups becoming "echo chambers" of victimization (du rules' words, not mine), everyone is entitled to a place they can call their own--and not be disturbed by insensitive, baiting comments.

For example, I got sick of fighting with anti-choicers on a progressive board. I joined du to get away from people needing to know how I could support the destruction of a precious fetus. :eyes: So I asked for a pro-choice group. The Choice forum still exists for those that want to "debate" those issues. But pro-choicers have refuge from the other stuff if they want it.

As someone said above--even gun lovers have a place to call their own--why not glbt? ;)

When you have a mission statement to protect you, it's easier to shut down 'phobic bs, disruptors and people that claim they are "just trying to help."

One inherent problem with this is that anyone posting there would have to have a donor star. Which may present problems, for any that are cash strapped (so to speak)But maybe some would be willing to sponsor others to keep good members involved.

Again, just a suggestion. As it's doubtful du is going to create a special forum to put all the "phobes" (but it's a good thought, imo). If you guys do decide to move forward, please take the time to contact an admin. first to ask permission to start an interest thread. If you don't, they could shoot down the idea altogether (even if there's interest).

[terrya]

25. That's not a bad idea.

Seriously, that's worth considering.

[bliss_eternal]

26. something to consider...

...when I proposed pro-choice, the issue came up of "why" when there's already a 'choice' forum. I was prepared with threads and specific examples of the hostile environment created on the choice board (and in many cases the main areas of DU, like GD) for pro-choicers. I won't lie, it didn't come easy and took some time, but we got it.

But again, and I can't stress it enough--whatever you all decide, ASK FIRST...even before a thread is started to determine interest.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=206x10

[windoe]

31. Keep friends close and enemies closer?

I am not sure the homophobes should be given the space to thrive and speak out of the spotlight. I am not gay yet think that these posters should be exposed in the brightest light of day, and ideally alerted on and banned when the mods catch up with them.

[David Zephyr]

32. It's been illuminating seeing a number of straight DU'ers come here and reveal their homophobia.

You know who they are.

One, a prominent DU'er in the General Discussion Forum came here to lecture the GLBT community about our "priorities" and that Prop 8 was not as important as healthcare for "all" Americans.

What an ass he made of himself.

I'm glad they are revealing themselves.

[The Doctor.]

36. While I think it's stupid to tell someone what THEIR priorities should be,

Someone not sharing your sense of priorities does not make them a 'homophobe'.

I know you won't see it that way, but perhaps you should consider not insulting people who otherwise fight for equality for all people. Perhaps you don't realize it, but going around flinging insults over differences in priorities is a bit hysterical. Where there are any actual homophobes on DU, you have my word I'll happily lay them out.

Don't tell me I'm a "homophobe" just because I may not think Prop H8 is the most important issue America faces right now. People who are firmly on your side and actively fighting with you for equality do not deserve that kind of treatment.

Fair enough?

[Zuiderelle]

40. I believe he is referring to THIS thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=93593&mesg_id=93593

And I completely agree with him that the tone of that OP is nasty, condescending and homophobic in its passive aggressive dismissal of our issues.

We really DO NOT need straight people to come into THIS forum and lecture us.

[The Doctor.]

41. Wow... whatta shithead.

Yes, it's condescending, yes it's an asshole thing to do, yes I believe he's probably NOT a legitimate defender of equal rights (his 'hobby' is enough to consider his motives suspect, and yes he's not been here for long.

Although the douchebag has all the earmarks of a troll, that post alone does not comprise homophobia... just assholishness.

I've personally never gone into the GLBT forum. What I've done is respond to threads on the Greatest Page. Many times I've been called a homophobe for nothing more than saying that although equal/civil rights are very important, not everyone prioritizes that over a war that's killing Americans every day and the bankrupting of the nation.

If we go fascist, that's the end of civil rights for everyone without gobs of cash... and some with.

I can agree that that particular OP is antagonistic without cause. He's obviously a prick... but not necessarily homophobic, however likely that might actually be.

I very MUCH take exception to being called a 'homophobe' for little more than stating that not everyone that prioritizes differently than the GLBT community is a 'homophobe'. I very much resent that as I have personally turned a few homophobes around and helped work for various GLBT causes.

I think any rational person can see where I'm coming from.

I'm sorry that idiots go out of their way to be condescending, but all I'm trying to say is "don't piss on your allies".

I'm most solidly on your side.

[David Zephyr]

43. "Shithead" would also be OK with me. He is just that.

My post should have not been so cryptic, but I really didn't want to name names.

PelosiFan kindly pointed to you the motivation behind my post.

My post was really too nice to this individual who has had his snide lecturing, patronizing comments to our oppressed community for a very long time here at the DU now. (I've been here since early 2001 and was one of the first proud queers). He was a "shithead" to use your term.

Here's a link to where you can see another one dropping in after our great defeat to tell us about our "priorties" and that we should sacrifice our civil rights for the greater good of healthcare for all Americans: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x89151. The give and take between men and him begins with post #4 there. Please do visit the thread so you will know him.

This individual never seems to fail to chime in at times when we are just at our lowest. His lecture after our great loss was one in string of many. He enjoys doing this and is just clever enough to stick the sword in without getting tombsstoned.

But now you know. And now you can keep an eye out to. He is not the only one.

How they drop into our little forum with such arrogance and nerve, especially when we are reeling from yet another assault on our loved ones and families is simply sickening. But they do. And they enjoy it.

I came out at 13 in Texas in the 1960's. I was tossed out of my home just after 17. I wound up living on the streets in LA and later NYC. In 1970, I began volunteering for the LA Free Clinic, just months after Stonewall and began my activism then and there. I don't use the word homophobe lightly. That said, this consistent, insideous sticking us time and again shows a sick pathology and it is clearly homophobic and stalking.

[The Doctor.]

48. Well, as I said, just look at his 'hobby'...

Thanks for the lead. These assholes really piss me off because I get grouped in with them over some pretty innocent stuff. I can't help but think that is their intention.

You must have been either very brave or very desperate to come out so early... or both. Such strength is proof positive that we will achieve equal rights for everyone.

My dear friend, Bern, came out to his homophobe mother on the Friday before one of the worst blizzards hit. The Blizzard of '77 in the NE kept him in the house with his family for nearly five days. It was excruciating, but by the end of it his mother got on her knees and asked him to forgive her for the things she'd said... and that she'd love him no matter what.

I still get choked up. Even now.

He's been my inspiration to attack the hatred and ignorance head-on.

Thank you for understanding. At least I hope you do. I already know that I never really can understand where you've been.

But know that I'm in your corner for life.

And feel free to PM me if some shithead like that one pipes up. I've got an eye out. ;)

[Zuiderelle]

44. I disagree. That single post coupled with the fact that he wrote it in THIS forum as an OP...

(and not as a post to some existing thread here magically traversed from the Greatest or Latest nether regions) does indeed make it homophobic.

This is the GLBT forum, and people SHOULD have a bit more courtesy here towards our issues than they have elsewhere. That's not fascism, that's having forums that benefit specific groups. There are forums and groups for just about everyone here. I wouldn't dream of going into one of them that does not represent something close to me, and lecture its members about how silly and inconsequential to ME their issues are.

That poster was being homophobic. And I will piss on that person who calls himself our ally. I'm tired of being nice to homophobes.

I'm not saying you are, without searching your posts I have no idea if you are. Though I do wonder why you have come in here to argue with gay people about what they consider homophobic behavior.

Let it be a warning to you to check what forum you're posting to when entering a thread from the Greatest Page. We should all be cognizant of where we are and respect the community we enter.

And I'll end with this... after what happened on election day, with the ballot initiatives in California and Arizona and Florida and Arkansas, EVERYONE who cares about this country should make civil rights a top priority. Yours may be next on the chopping block. And even if it's not, you should care VERY much about states' and our COUNTRY's laws violating our constitutional rights, whatever they may be, and whoever they may affect.

I piss on that "ally" without reservation and without apology.

[The Doctor.]

49. Well...

I haven't "come in here". In actuality, this thread "came on the Greatest Page".

I've never gone 'into' the GLBT forum. I've only ever responded to OPs that were on 'Latest' or 'Greatest' that happened to come from 'here'. It is problematic that you perceive my posts as an 'incursion' after this thread has already 'intruded' into the greater DU community at large.

I sincerely doubt that 'Uncle Sinister' is an ally to anyone here... and I will deal with him when the opportunity arises.

You are more than welcome to explore the entirety of my posting history here.
You are more than welcome to ask me anything, and you will get nothing but earnest answers.

I wouldn't be 'here' if I lacked at least that.

Peace,

Dr. E

[Zuiderelle]

50. Why are you taking this personally, when it's been made clear that it's not about you?

Do you not agree that that person came in here intentionally, since it was his very own OP here that condescended to us and lectured us on how our rights are not important to "most" Americans?

I find that homophobic.

[The Doctor.]

53. Ummm... actually, that's exactly what I said.

Learn to read.

Thanks,

Dr. E

[LostinVA]

106. YOU STRAIGHT HATER!!!!

WTF???

[Zuiderelle]

109. I know... I am so intolerant.

:)

[Toasterlad]

46. Probably Best To Stop Responding to GLBT Posts If You Don't Like Being Called a Homophobe

I agree with you that not considering gay marriage your #1 priority does not make you a homophobe. It makes you an unempathetic asshole.

If the rest of the country had a basic right that was denied to you, I'm pretty sure you'd change your priorities pretty fucking quick.

In other words, you're free to assign human rights as low on your priority list as you like, but kindly refrain from coming HERE - directly or otherwise - and letting us know how unimportant you think they are. Also, please refrain from commenting on what we choose to label someone who does not have human rights as a top priority.

[Name removed]

47. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Zuiderelle]

51. Now you've convinced me.

Now that you know you are in fact in the GLBT forum and that you are dealing with people who have been VERY hurt by what happened two weeks ago, yet you continue this onslaught instead of recognizing your mistake and apologizing... you are no friend of ours.

Oh, and "Fuck you" too.

[The Doctor.]

52. And you have convinced me...

That after I've poured my soul out, after I've made a very reasonable point, and after I've made it clear that I am unconditionally in your corner, that you, personally are a myopic, unsympathetic, outrage-mongering, straight-hating asshole.

I've said nothing that requires an apology.

You, on the other hand, need to stop alienating those that care about equal rights.

You won't see it that way, because the outrage is obviously overwhelming.

I can see that fairly well.

It is because of that, and the pain that you've recently endured over this horrendous POS 'initiative', that I can look past that and forgive you.

While I'm sure that 'pisses you off' right now, in time you'll understand.

I want equal rights now, for everyone, including you.

In order to get those rights, we have to preserve the Democracy that will see to them.

I'm sorry that's over your head.

I'll talk to you again when you have some sense.

[Zuiderelle]

65. Nail in the coffin.

You've shown your true colors.

Fuck.

You.

[The Doctor.]

71. Like I said... when you have sense I'll talk to you.

In the meantime... I forgive you.

[mitchtv]

145. You're an agressive one aren't you?

I for one can chew gum and walk at rhe same time. Your so called priorities are just fine for you and in appropriate forums. I like most gays feel strates have nothing to tell me about my civil rights and where I ahould place them in priority. I,, for one would like to see the end of second class status in my lifetime it IS impotatnt to me , and I will never, ever again support a politician who does not support full equality. They can do without my second class money and votes

[The Doctor.]

151. No, actually I'm "passive aggressive"... at least that's what I'm told.

I agree with your point. I also only vote for those who are most likely to work towards equal rights... unfortunately it's hard to always find someone holding point on the issue.

As for me, I don't tell people what their priorities should be, I just ask not to be abused or mislabeled for mine. FWIF; equal marriage rights share a top place on my list with return to Constitutionality. When we get the fucking churches out of politics, equal rights are assured. Some of these priorities are actually confluent.


"Please don't attack me."

"He's being passive aggressive! Get him!"

[mitchtv]

159. Full equality IS the top priority here

Gays have been dying for years, daily for being themselves , or being perceived as Gay. "people dying" and "losing rights" to fascism is old hat to someone like me who has seen the raids on our bars and hangouts , been rounded up and abused, both physically and verbally, for decades.Jailed for no reason and all the rest of the shit that is invisible to strates. There is no higher priority from my POV. the war has been happening to us for a long time now

[LostinVA]

172. Accepting it is the first step -- I'll pray for you

:pals:

[The Doctor.]

192. And I shall pray for you.

:hug:

We all need it.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

78. I love it when they pull the whole "I supported your rights until you pissed me off" thing

[The Doctor.]

82. If you know someone like that, then I'll happily lambaste them...

But your outrage strips your perspective.

Why see that which is not there? Why imagine enemies that do not exist?

Who said they would not 'support your rights' because you pissed them off?

Not I.

But if it helps your outrage, if it makes you feel better, then you may think of me anything you wish.

Meanwhile, I will never stop fighting for equal rights for everyone.

... including yourself.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

98. PelosiFan is far drom a "straights hating asshole" -- but you knew that already

:eyes:

[Toasterlad]

54. Solidifying the Democracy For Everyone Else, You Mean?

Since I don't have the same rights you do, why should I care how solid your democracy is?

Hundreds of gay people are tortured and killed every year because of the bigotry that is epitomized by Prop 8. And they didn't even VOLUNTEER for it.

Kindly take your empathy and shove it right up your privledged straight asshole. I would rather have NO support from you than the half-assed support you're currently offering, especially since it comes complete with your condescending high-and-mighty "empathy". A person so easily offended by gay outrage isn't any kind of friend to the gay community.

I'll see your "fuck off" and raise you a "and die".

[The Doctor.]

58. Learn to read.

[bluedawg12]

55. WTF? You came here to repeat this over and over?

Whaaaa?

"...demonize everyone that does not agree that marriage of any kind is more important than not torturing and killing people, or the usurpation of a Democracy by the forces that have been subordinating the rights of my fellow citizens."

You are wrong.

No one is puishing for marriage of "any kind."

And no one is asking YOU to make it a priority.


Looks to me like you have been coming here looking for conflict.

[The Doctor.]

59. Learn to read.

[Toasterlad]

60. Learn to Stop Repeating Yourself, Elmo.

[The Doctor.]

64. If you learn to read, I won't have to repeat myself...

Connaitre?

[bluedawg12]

61. There's help for rage addicts - it's out there.

[The Doctor.]

63. Then seek it.

[bluedawg12]

66. You are the one who came here itching for a fight and it looks like you managed

to provoke one. You seem to have been at it all day.

I bet you feel no better.

[The Doctor.]

70. I'm not the one fighting.

You are.

I'm not fighting with you.

Whether you like it or not.

[bluedawg12]

73. You are amusing in your thirst for attention .

:rofl:

[The Doctor.]

80. Mine, like yours...

Does this help you?

Are you learning something? Are you growing as a person?

I love to engage and to learn. That's why I'm here.

Do you have so much rage that you must continue to attack me?

That's fine. Do so if you must. In reality, It causes me less pain than so much of what I have endured.
If it's good for you, then so be it. Make of me whatever demon you wish.

[bluedawg12]

85. You're not a demon, not attacking you- Peace talks:

hey, let me ask you, your pic on the bottom left, it looks pretty cool. Wondering about that. It looks like something I saw on a sci fi TV show years ago, about a biomechanoid, a Leviathan-ship. Was just wondering.

p.s. I have no rage.
p.p.s. I am trying to learn everyday
p.p.p.s. I am growing as a person, because otherwise I would not even be on a forum talking, reading, debating. I would just veg out.

[The Doctor.]

87. Well...

aren't you gorgeous after all...

Sorry, it was never my intention to provoke you my friend.

That is a Luis Royo depiction.
http://www.luisroyo.com/

It crushes me every day for where I have been and what I have seen. I cry daily for the world that is so far from the shredded and horrific reality we live in.

I want for nothing more than to bring joy and peace to the world... and no matter how much I'd like to do it with bombs and guns out of pure and justifiable rage... I know better by now.

I am in pain, every day. I suffer ignorance, rage, and idiocy every day.

I want to end it all... but I know that the only way to make everything right is to fight... every day.

I don't do enough. No one can do everything.

It kills me... but I'm not done.

These fuckers will pass from the consciousness of the world like all their historic counterparts.

It just sucks that it's taking so long.

But I'm not done yet.


Sorry, I drag on.

I appreciate your thoughtfullness.

[bluedawg12]

88. Thanks for the artists link!

I have to agree the world sure is not perfect.

The hardest lesson in life is patience. Looking at the big picture of time, this all will not matter much in say, 125 years, will it?

I hope you keep up the good fight, the one with words, ideas, patience and I hope that there is peace and joy as well.

"I don't do enough. No one can do everything.- Dr_E"

True. The only thing we can do is our best for that day, I really think if we do that, everyday has meaning and there are no regrets. In time it all falls into place.

I'm checking out Royo's gallery now. Looks very cool, anime' and some sci fi looking thumb nails that rock.

I saw Blade runner the other night--again-- still holds up. A classic.

[bluedawg12]

56. Whoa there! do not come here to say "Fuck you".

there are other places for this kind of talk.

[The Doctor.]

62. Oh, now I'm being told I'm not allowed to be insulted?

Learn to read... and comprehend.

I'm starting to get the handful of 'people' that are here not for the sake of equal rights, but to sow discord.

I'm here to help, you're here to express outrage.

Don't get the two confused.

[Toasterlad]

67. We Don't Need Your Help

What "help" have you been? So far, all you've done is complain about GLBTers labeling people as homophobes for not making human rights a top priority.

You're a piss-poor proponent of gay equality. I feel VERY sorry for your friend Bern. He probably deserves a much better friend than you. How sad that you don't consider his rights top priority.

Okay. Now it's time for you to toss out a few more "fuck you's" in your outrage over a gay guy turning on you when you were only "trying to help".

[The Doctor.]

77. Right.

I understand.

I, and many like me, voted for the right of all people to be able to marry the ones they love.

If you are certain that you do not require the aid of straight folks who believe in equal rights for all, then you are seeking only to go backwards in your quest.

That's pretty simple reality whether you like it or not.

I'm on your side, and I will remain on your side no matter how many insults you cast at me. For I believe in human and civil rights more than I believe in being vindictive.

So if you need to take your rage out on me, then by all means... do so. If that helps you. Meanwhile, I will continue to fight for your rights as though the fight was for myself, my family, and everyone I love... for you are just such a one.

I will never leave your side, no matter how much you assail me.

[LostinVA]

105. Passive aggressive behavior CAN be cured, you know

[The Doctor.]

112. LOL! That always slays me!

If someone is being rude; it's aggressive!

If someone is being nice; it's passive aggressive!

If only I had know all those time my wife hugged me she was being 'passive aggressive'. :eyes:

You see, what you want is a fight... and you'll always find it. If it somehow helps you take out some obsessive rage, then go ahead and beat me up for the crime of pointing out that I'm not the problem.

If it makes you feel better, go right ahead. Sticks and stones and all that.

Cheers!

[Zuiderelle]

114. Why don't you just back the fuck off? Your condescending shit is not welcome here.

Go read about all the rights you have that we don't and ponder why we're just a little bit fed up with your brand of patronizing.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4480012&mesg_id=4480012

You'd think you might get a small hint from EVERY SINGLE GAY PERSON here expressing offense at your posts. But I'm sure you'll answer this post with yet another passive-aggressive dismissal.

You are no friend if you can't stop condescending to us.

[The Doctor.]

116. I wasn't condescending until I was irrationally attacked by the likes of you.

You were looking for someone to take your wanton rage out on, and you created just enough of an excuse for yourself to do so.

Go back and look at who said what to whom and just who started this. It sure the hell wasn't me.

At least ONE person here realized that I don't have it out for anyone. That blows your "Every single Gay Person" crock right out.
I could just as easily tell YOU to drop all the attacks... but you can't do that because you're SO DAMMED ANGRY.

Like I said, take it out on me all you wish. It can't hurt me, and if it helps you, that's fine. Sooner or later, you'll come to your senses.

That's not 'condescending', it's a fact.

[Zuiderelle]

117. The "likes of me" eh?

That one person bent over backwards to make nice. The rest of us aren't interested in that shit anymore. I'm not bending over backwards for you or anyone else.

I'm not angry, I'm annoyed. This is the GLBT forum. You may have "accidentally" found yourself here brought by a tornado from Kansas or the Greatest Page, but it doesn't change the fact that it's the GLBT forum. And you are being ridiculously insulting, confrontational, condescending and irrational to us here.

You need to stop.

I did see how it all started, and it started with YOU making an assumption that David Zephyr was referring to you, when in fact, he was referring to a DIFFERENT homophobe. I clarified that for you, but it didn't matter. You were already determined to explain to us how we shouldn't label things homophobic that we consider homophobic.

So, therefore, fuck you.

[The Doctor.]

129. I made no such assumption.

And you showed the thread and that should have been the end of it.

But no, someone wanted a fight, so they started one. And you were all too happy to join in based on your own erroneous assumptions about my motives.

I realize that I should have said "someone", instead of "me", but I didn't think he was talking about "me" me. I wasn't sure if that was his point or not, and it got cleared up. That should have been the end of it. That aside, what I said was rational. Putting marriage rights as priority #2 does not make someone a 'homophobe'. If we can all agree on that, then what's to argue about?

You don't like that I hit back?

Too bad.

... and fuck you too. :P

[Zuiderelle]

133. Here you are in the GLBT forum saying gay marriage is not a top priority.

I'm sorry, but to me, after the Prop 8 vote, that makes you a homophobe. The fact that you come HERE to lecture us about what YOUR priorities should be, when civil rights should be a TOP priority for every American.

The end.

[The Doctor.]

134. No, I said that just because it's not everyone's top priority does not make one a homophobe.

The second I found out the specific post the OP was referring to, I dropped it. It wasn't until I was attacked that it even became an issue again.

Just keep attacking. If it makes you feel good, go with it.

[Zuiderelle]

136. Click

[The Doctor.]

139. Clack

:shrug:

[LostinVA]

119. No, I just want equal civil rights -- YOU want a fight

[The Doctor.]

124. The fight started with toasterlad calling me an asshole without reason.

I came on this thread actually wanting to know who was being a homophobic shithead.

So far Zephyr and bluedawg have figured that out.

I get that there's a lot of rage looking for a target. I'll take the hits, just don't get offended if I justifiably hit back.

If you review the thread, you'll see who started this shit... and it sure the hell wasn't me.

So far, except for your imaginary issues with me, I pretty much was in agreement with you on the point of the OP.


So tell me... exactly what is it that you think we disagree on?

[LostinVA]

125. WHOOSH

[Zuiderelle]

128. LOL! So now it's Toasterlad who started the attack, when he was just responding to YOUR post?

:rofl:

What a fucking trip.

You really, really need to stop now. You're looking awfully ridiculous.

[The Doctor.]

131. Ummm, yeah, right here;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=93681&mesg_id=94318

That was totally uncalled for. Calling me an 'unempathetic asshole' and trying to tell me that human rights is 'low' on my priority list was an unprovoked attack.

So I responded.

Do you have the capacity to be rational? If so, then you can see for yourself where it started and how. I know you will never admit it, but I never back down when I've done nothing wrong.

[Toasterlad]

180. Actually, Mr. Learn to Read, What I Was Doing Was

calling someone who doesn't consider human rights a #1 priority an unempathetic asshole. Surely that description doesn't apply to you? You've wasted the better part of a day loudly declaring what a friend you are to the hateful, hurtful gay community, so surely you consider our rights a top priority.

Oh, wait. You said you didn't. So I guess it really DOES apply to you.

Here's a free tip, Mr. Helpful. If the only measurable instance of your help is responding to GLBT threads and helpfully justifying the low priority that others have placed on human rights, you're going to have to wait a bit for that parade you so clearly feel you deserve as the Great Unifier. Empty boasts of turning around imaginary homophobes don't tend to stack up well against chastising lectures about priorities.

True friends of the community know when to offer input, and when to keep their privileged mouths shut.

You are NOT the coxswain on this boat, big mouth. Put down the megaphone, grab an oar, and stroke when you're told to stroke. Otherwise, we'll toss your ass overboard along with all the other dead weight.

P.S. Fun fact - coxswain: in spell check. GLBT, homophobes: NOT in spell check. Were YOU in charge of the spell check, Mr. Helpful? It's got your priorities all over it.

[LostinVA]

181. Great post!

I'd also say he doesn't deserve to be the Stroke, either.

[Zuiderelle]

182. Bravo!

A fine post!

:patriot:

It IS odd that homophobe is not a recognized word in spell check. I LOVE the word coxswain though. Very nice.

[yardwork]

188. Personal attacks are against DU rules. Plus, you came here looking for a fight.

Get real. You know how GLBT people are feeling these past couple of weeks. Why would you post all over this thread picking fights with people? Get another hobby.

[LostinVA]

104. Quit sowing discord, Toasterlad!

This guy is a piece of work, eh?

[Toasterlad]

179. But I'm So GOOD At It!

I think the good doctor is one of those people who enjoys fucking with other people to see just what he can get away with. I am happy to oblige him, because for some perverse reason, I enjoy interacting with people who aren't as smart as they think they are.

Edited because I left out a word. I am also not as smart as I think I am!

[bluedawg12]

68. I don't want your " help" nor do i want to see this kind of langauge against a fellow DU'er

"...that you, personally are a myopic, unsympathetic, outrage-mongering, straight-hating asshole. - Dr_eldritch"

you came here to the GLBTQ forum to say this, you spilled it out, now, your work here is done.


bye

[The Doctor.]

69. No, 'your' forum came to me.. not the other way around.

And yes, you are outrage mongering right now... but in light of current events, I forgive you.

It's okay my friend, one day you'll appreciate your friends too.

[bluedawg12]

72. "The forum came to you." That's really very funny. No really.

Get the aluminim foil hat. :tinfoilhat:

[The Doctor.]

75. Ummm... yeah... it did.

I was minding my own business on "The Greatest Page" when this thread popped up.

Ergo, it came to me, not the other way around.

I know, In the need to express outrage, that fact does not seem germane to you.

That's fine, I forgive you my friend.

I will continue, daily, to advocate for equal rights for everyone whether you demonize me or not. Indeed, I love you just the same.

Feel free to use me, to beat upon me on the internet if it helps you in any way. I would hold your hand and walk with you, my friend, regardless of your rage.

[bluedawg12]

84. Dr_eldritch - It is good that you keep your advocacy for equal rights

and you certainly have a right to your priorities, in addition, to that one.

No problem.

Many of us here have our own priorities and they may be different than yours. That's cool too.

Not demonizing you, since we share the same fight against anyone who is against human rights.

Anyway, I don't have the power to "demonize" anyone, I seemed to have lost those powers in Gears of War 1, the level with General Raam, on the train, when the damned krill kept catching me in the light. But, I complain too much, should just get Gears of War 2 and the danged cheat codes for GoW1. But I ramble.

Go in peace.

peace
bd12

[LostinVA]

107. MY friends on here are: Midlo, Kitchenwitch, LeftyMom, Flvegan

Starbucks Anarachist, Shakespeare, MrsG, etal.

They would NEVER come in here and be such an insult-flinging, passive-aggressive jerk.

[The Doctor.]

113. Ummmm.... you seem to continue to miss a couple of facts;

I didn't come into the GLBT forum, this thread came to TGP.

I wasn't the first to fling insults... your 'friends' were.



Some of you just want a fight and will take any excuse to take out your rage on someone whether they deserve it or not. If you start calling me names and insulting me, don't dress up in indignance if I toss a couple back.

[Zuiderelle]

115. You are the one looking for conflict. You started with assuming that YOU were the homophobe being

referred to in David Zephyr's post, but when it was pointed out to you that you weren't you went right ahead with your onslaught, defending your asinine attitude in post after post until you've convinced all of us that you are, indeed, a homophobe.

So, it's not surprising that you guiltily reacted to the imagined accusation in that first post of yours in this thread. The shoe fits.

[The Doctor.]

118. No, I didn't assume anything. You're the one with the over-active imagination.

I asked where such a thing occurred, and you provided the link.

I agreed that 'Sinister' was being a shithead. That's all I wanted to know; 'who' and 'where'... because I was serious about denouncing any sort of fools and wanted to know who they were.

See; http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x93681#93720

It was in your imagination that I had some kind of ulterior motive. So you waited for, and found an excuse to have at me without justification.

Go ahead, SHOW us the post that 'gave you cause' and I'll show you the post that I was responding to.

At the bottom of the pile, I was the one irrationally attacked.

Prove otherwise.

[Zuiderelle]

120. The proof is in all your posts in this thread.

You said in your first post in this thread:

"Don't tell me I'm a "homophobe" just because I may not think Prop H8 is the most important issue America faces right now. People who are firmly on your side and actively fighting with you for equality do not deserve that kind of treatment."

I'm done dancing with you.

[The Doctor.]

130. Yeah, just like WsMD were 'everywhere' in Iraq.

So was what I said wrong?

DZ at least had the maturity to recognize I'd said nothing wrong and helped clarify where he was coming from.

This ridiculous fight was not started by me.

[LostinVA]

122. The MOds are pissing me re: this one

[Zuiderelle]

123. Well, we do know that there's a different bar for acceptance of homophobia

as much as we'd like to think there isn't.

[LostinVA]

121. No, you came into the GLBT Forum -- it didn't reach into your CPU and grab you

:eyes:

And, the "friends" you are insulting are all STRAIGHT DUers who aren't even in this thread -- because they treat us with dignity and respect.

[The Doctor.]

126. I just clicked on a thread on TGP.

If you don't want GLBT threads to show up there, keep them from being recommended.

Other than that, all I've said here has been quite justified. I was the one attacked. I didn't start a fight here.

That's a simple, unavoidable FACT.

Treating people with 'Dignity and Respect' doesn't mean 'let them beat the shit out of you'. No, if I'm insulted, I throw it right back.

I am for equality after all...

[Zuiderelle]

127. Where were you attacked, before you started attacking? I've already shown how YOU started the attack

Why don't you point out the post that attacked you first here? Since it's such a "FACT?"

[The Doctor.]

132. Here;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=93681&mesg_id=94318

It was all downhill from there.

[Zuiderelle]

135. Downhill because of you. That was not an attack.

Toasterlad said:

Probably Best To Stop Responding to GLBT Posts If You Don't Like Being Called a Homophobe Updated at 8:14 PM

I agree with you that not considering gay marriage your #1 priority does not make you a homophobe. It makes you an unempathetic asshole.

If the rest of the country had a basic right that was denied to you, I'm pretty sure you'd change your priorities pretty fucking quick.

In other words, you're free to assign human rights as low on your priority list as you like, but kindly refrain from coming HERE - directly or otherwise - and letting us know how unimportant you think they are. Also, please refrain from commenting on what we choose to label someone who does not have human rights as a top priority.

That was advice. That wasn't an attack. You're the one who said that gay marriage was not a top priority for you. How the fuck do you expect for gay DUers to react to that?

Never mind. Don't answer. I won't answer any more of your idiotic posts.

[The Doctor.]

138. So calling me an 'unempathetic asshole' is not an attack? Wow.

That's really off the deep end.

That, and your deliberate mischaracterization of what I said really bring it home. What I said was 'don't call someone a homophobe just because they have different priorities'. That's essentially a request not to be attacked. You calling that an attack is the equivalent of calling it an attack when someone holds up their hands and says "Don't hit me." Yeah... that's pretty twisted up of you.

You might as well be saying; "She asked not to be attacked... so I had to hit her to defend myself."

Just because you can't admit that I was indeed unjustly attacked you've excused yourself from any further exchange.

Very well... you're excused.

[Zuiderelle]

140. No, it was a response to YOUR attack of all of US.

And you've pretty much proven that he was right. You are an unempathetic asshole.

You are a homophobe if you come into the GLBT forum and tell GLBT Duers that their rights are not a top priority for you. Coming in here and doing that is an attack.

You're making it clearer and clearer how little you regard our rights. Why are you still posting in this forum?

[The Doctor.]

142. I never attacked anyone before that point. That's a fact. Otherwise you'd have a link.

You have to be pretty twisted up to say that someone asking not to be mislabeled is any kind of an 'attack'.

You're really reaching to justify all this mistreatment.

[Zuiderelle]

146. Your posts here in this thread prove everything. It would be redundant to link to them all.

Please stop harassing us.

[The Doctor.]

148. LOL.... Oh, so now that you know that I was the first one attacked here

You have to obfuscate with 'well, you were a jerk in other posts'.

Well no shit... like I said; I hit back when attacked.

Now please... stop harassing me.

[Zuiderelle]

149. Um, I've said you were the one that attacked first many times. WTF is your problem?

Are you off your meds or something? Now you're pretending I said that I know that you were attacked first, when I said the opposite? You've been a jerk in EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR POSTS. Starting with the one in which you attacked ALL OF US by saying that we shouldn't call someone a homophobe simply because they don't place our rights as a top priority.

SOMEONE WHO COMES INTO OUR FORUM TO TELL US THAT OUR RIGHTS ARE NOT A TOP PRIORITY IS ATTACKING US.

Is that clear now?

Seriously, get the fuck out of our place.

[The Doctor.]

152. Really? Then prove it... let's see a link.

I never said 'your rights are not a top priority'. That's in your head. What I said was that someone not sharing your priorities does not make them a homophobe.

What you've essentially done is attack someone for daring to ask not to be attacked.

You're really coming apart at the seams here... and you won't stop harassing me.


Here, let's talk about something else;

Priorities.

My 'top' priority is a return to Constitutionality, remove churches from the political process, and achieve equal rights for all.

Now, how does that make gay marriage 'not a top priority'?

Because I think getting religion out of government is a necessary step? Well, I'd love to have seen CA voters do the right thing. The only reason Prop H8 passed was because of the church.

Solution?

Get the fucking churches out of government.

That is a priority that neither negates nor changes the level of priority of equal marriage rights. Right?

That's part of my point. I never said that it's not a priority... it is. But many things that are also priorities are part and parcel of attaining equal rights.

Does that make sense?

[The Doctor.]

153. Really? Then prove it... let's see a link.

I never said 'your rights are not a top priority'. That's in your head. What I said was that someone not sharing your priorities does not make them a homophobe.

What you've essentially done is attack someone for daring to ask not to be attacked.

You're really coming apart at the seams here... and you won't stop harassing me.


Here, let's talk about something else;

Priorities.

My 'top' priority is a return to Constitutionality, remove churches from the political process, and achieve equal rights for all.

Now, how does that make gay marriage 'not a top priority'?

Because I think getting religion out of government is a necessary step? Well, I'd love to have seen CA voters do the right thing. The only reason Prop H8 passed was because of the church.

Solution?

Get the fucking churches out of government.

That is a priority that neither negates nor changes the level of priority of equal marriage rights. Right?

That's part of my point. I never said that it's not a priority... it is. But many things that are also priorities are part and parcel of attaining equal rights.

Does that make sense?

[Zuiderelle]

156. You are in OUR forum. Go fuck yourself.

And here's your link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=93681&mesg_id=94259

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Response to Reply #32
36. While I think it's stupid to tell someone what THEIR priorities should be,

Someone not sharing your sense of priorities does not make them a 'homophobe'.

I know you won't see it that way, but perhaps you should consider not insulting people who otherwise fight for equality for all people. Perhaps you don't realize it, but going around flinging insults over differences in priorities is a bit hysterical. Where there are any actual homophobes on DU, you have my word I'll happily lay them out.

Don't tell me I'm a "homophobe" just because I may not think Prop H8 is the most important issue America faces right now. People who are firmly on your side and actively fighting with you for equality do not deserve that kind of treatment.

Fair enough?

As I've explained to you repeatedly, you coming HERE to tell us that gay marriage is not a priority for YOU is an attack. And it makes you a fucking homophobe.

It's like teenagers going to the gay section of town with baseball bats and waiting outside a gay bar to beat up gay people leaving the bar.

Fuck you. There is NO justification for you coming here to tell us that gay rights are not your top priority.

[The Doctor.]

160. That you must deliberately misconstruct what I said is sad.

If you don't want people commenting in 'your' forum, then keep threads off 'our' greatest page. Either way, trying to make that point is ridiculous.

It's pretty clear that I never said that gay marriage isn't a priority, nor did I say that it wasn't a top priority for me. I never came here to tell you that it's "not my top priority", what I said was that having different priorities does not make me or anyone else a homophobe.

What I said was; 'Don't attack me for not sharing your priorities'.

And you went right ahead and attacked me... without even knowing what MY priorities are.

Then, you have the unmitigated gall to claim that my purpose was to diminish gay marriage as a priority in order to justify your abusive behaviors. I have never suggested, EVER that it is not important. I've also explained how equal rights is confluent with many other priorities.

If you think this; "Don't tell me I'm a "homophobe" just because I may not think Prop H8 is the most important issue America faces right now. People who are firmly on your side and actively fighting with you for equality do not deserve that kind of treatment." is worthy of calling someone an 'unsympathetic asshole', then you're borderline psychotic. That a request that you don't attack the people on your side. If that's enough for you to fly off the handle, then you need medication.

Well, if you read the post that you just responded to, you can clearly see that I'm the one who's interested in substantive discussion while all you can do is attack, attack, attack.

Do you understand what I said when I mentioned how some priorities are confluent?

Or are you only capable of rage?

[Zuiderelle]

162. The one who is bordeline psychotic is you.

I'll attack ANYONE who comes into a GAY FORUM and says that we shouldn't accuse someone of being homophobic here if they don't support gay rights as a top priority. Why the hell shouldn't we? The time has come for us to accuse ANYONE who doesn't support our civil rights as homophobic.

You can continue to twist things until the cows come home. It doesn't change what you've said here.

But it is most intriguing how you can continue to absolve yourself of any blame in this argument. A real snapshot into the mind of straight (psychotic) privilege.

[The Doctor.]

164. You still can't point to one thing I said to deserve being attacked like that.

You're delusional.

I never said your rights aren't important or shouldn't be a priority. What I said was that someone not sharing your priorities isn't necessarily a homophobe.

How you managed to construct such bullshit out of something so innocent is fascinating to me. But I know why you did it. Somehow, you have to justify acting like an asshole toward me. You have to justify an unprovoked attack... otherwise you might just realize that you're a jerk.

Live in your delusional world.

I'm done with this idiocy.

[Zuiderelle]

165. I've pointed to it and explained it several times. Wow.

How many times must I explain that you coming here to the GLBT forum, to tell us that it is not homophobic to not support gay rights as a top priority is homophobic? Someone coming to THIS forum to say that our priorities are not their priorities is homophobic. What else could it possibly be? Why else would someone bother to post that here?

It's not innocent to come here and say that you don't consider our rights a top priority. It's delusional. But I'm glad you're done with your idiocy. That's a real relief. (Though I doubt that this is your last post here, unfortunately.)

[The Doctor.]

143. Lol! "Please don't hit me." "He's being Passive Aggressive! GET HIM!"

You guys are great.

[mondo joe]

81. If you are here to help, help.

I don't see any help yet.

Thanks.

[The Doctor.]

86. Then read.

And then tell me how all that I've done, the people that I've talked to and convinced, the work that I've done in my area isn't helpfull.

If you can convince me that all I've done is worthless, then I'll have a war within myself. After that war, no matter how good a case you have made for me to stop 'helping', I will continue, no matter how much you've tried to convince me otherwise, to fight for equal rights for all people.

So go ahead and try to tell me I should stop doing what I've done.

It won't work.

I'm fighting along side you whether you like it or not.

Get used to it.

[mondo joe]

101. Keep doing what you're doing if you want to. If you expect to sway others

you'll need to be more compelling.

[The Doctor.]

111. I have no need to preach to the choir.

The people I've swayed used to be actual homophobes.

All I'm asking is for the GLBT community to stop berating people who are on their side for the crime of not having identical priorities.

It's ok though... I understand there is outrage. But blind outrage directed at friends is wrong. I can forgive that though.

[mondo joe]

167. I haven't seen anyone berate friends for not having identical priorities.

[The Doctor.]

155. Too busy fending off attacks....

So how might I help beyond what I've been up to otherwise?

[mondo joe]

168. One would think if you were busy HELPING you wouldn't have much

opportunity to cause OFFENSE.

[LostinVA]

103. I'm starting to get the handful of 'people' that are here not for... equal rights, but to sow disco

Just STFU and leave, okay?

Your angry screed doesn't surprise me, because I know your posting history on certain issues. However, your calling Toasterlad, PelosiFan, and my wife as people who don't want equal rights but just want to be "outrage"...???

Just STFU and go play somewhere else. I'm sure the African American group would like to be lectured about how they don't raelly want to eliminate racism, they just want to be uppity.

Oh...AND LEARN TO READ.

Patronizing, passive-aggressive twit.

[The Doctor.]

141. By 'here' I meant DU... not the GLBT forum.

By all means, keep attacking if it makes you feel better. I know why you feel the need to completely mischaracterize my position... that way you can keep attacking. I was talking about people like 'Uncle Sinister', not you. But it's pretty apparent that all some of you want is a fight.

I'll have to remember that getting attacked makes one 'passive aggressive'.

[LostinVA]

144. No, but your post is a textbook example of "passive aggressive" -- but you know that

[The Doctor.]

147. No, it's just me being pissed off at your unfair treatment and TELLING YOU

I've done nothing wrong here. If asking not to be attacked is 'passive aggressive', then I guess rape victims are really the aggressors. :silly:

You MUST justify your attacks, so just call my posts 'passive aggressive' and you can go right ahead and stay on the attack.

Whatever.

I did nothing wrong in this thread but respond to my attackers.


I'm through with this ridiculousness... you'll never admit to the fact that I'm the one who was attacked first. Why? Well... it just wouldn't be right if someone else was your victim. Shoot, then you'd have to grow some introspection and realize what a jerk you've been. No, I'm not always nice to people who attack me, but I don't attack without cause... and it's been proven that I was attacked first here in this thread.

Yes... you are just as capable of making someone else a victim as others are of making you one.

And you've been looking for someone to take it out on. Good job.

[LostinVA]

173. Seriously, you are passive aggressive AND a delusional for acting this way here

You know, repeating that we're attacking you over and over and over doesn't make you right, it just makes you look fucking stupid.

But, I'm wholly aware of your posting history on this and other issues, so it's no surprise.

[mondo joe]

187. Isn't there some other disenfranchised minority group you can go pester?

It seems there's enough of you to go round.

[yardwork]

189. You came into this thread looking for a fight and you created one.

It's obvious to the most casual observer what you've done here. Get lost.

[uppityperson]

110. Wow. Kick so I can mark this and watch your career.

Good lord.

[The Doctor.]

161. You're right...

I should just lie down and let people call me all kinds of unjustified names.

NOT.

Seriously... if I called you an 'unempathetic asshole' because you had the gall to ask me not to mislabel you, would you let that stand?

[donco6]

99. Just curious . . .

What are the criteria for determining national priorities? I mean, in light of everything that's happened throughout history, how have any groups ever had their rights recognized?

[David Zephyr]

42. Thx, PelosiFan. As an activist for our cause since 1970, I don't use the word "homophobe" lightly

I truly appreciate your providing some illumination to my point, which was a bit too cryptic. I don't want to name names, but there are a few who skate right to the point of making me want to.

Much appreciated.

[Zuiderelle]

45. My resolve is hardened after this election.

No more Ms. Niceguy. I don't play with homophobes.

:pals:

[CreekDog]

171. Ack, that's bad

when it comes to civil rights, we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

we want the hungry to have food and gays to have equality.

and we want it at the same time.

maybe one comes before the other depending on who gets support from how many and when, but those who support all civil rights support all civil rights always.

[bluedawg12]

57. No one is telling you what yourpriorities should be. DON"T tell us what ours should be.

[IndianaGreen]

74. Perhaps we should have told Rosa Parks that her being arrested

for refusing to give up her seat to a white passenger was not a priority.

[LeftyMom]

37. It's all set up.

The Phobes Can Post Here

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

79. hehe

[Jamastiene]

93. I love you.

That was a good one. :rofl:



:hug:

[Toasterlad]

38. I Know You're Being Facetious, But It Wouldn't Help Anyway.

The clueless homophobes don't know they're homophobic, and the deliberate homophobes are looking attention. Either way, they're going to continue to post here.

[mondo joe]

83. We've already got a Homophobic Grium. It's called General Discussion.

I kid.

I kid.

Mostly.

[grantdevine]

89. Who decides who a homophobe is?

I would no doubt be nominated as a "homophobe" because I posted a topic in LBN by CNN that generated a lot of heat because CNN used the term "enemies list" in reference to the reaction to prop 8.

Many who responded were angry at me.

I think your suggestion is divisive. A forum for homophobes isn't required, all you need is a level-headed mod.

[bluedawg12]

90. There's a book - with names.

It's a secret book. We get one along with the decoder ring when we "come out."

grantdevine - I think this thread was pretty much done as an escape from some of the stuff that was going on a few days ago and it is also, I (think) half kidding about the "H-phobe" forum.

But now that we have you here...and you revealed your true identity....

Seriously, I can only speak for myself, but life is too short to remember all the crazy stuff that get's posted on a big forum and to hold a grudge.

laters -

bd12

[grantdevine]

91. "revealed your true identity"....? What? n/t

[bluedawg12]

92. Joke. Little teeny joke.

Lost due to internet, lack of emoticon, not funny? who knows?

I was kidding.

Like, "Now that we know your true identity we have ways to make you talk!" Said with a sinsiter voice.

I thought the, "Seriously.." afterwards covered it, my bad.

There is nothing sinister that I am aware of going on here. If there is, I am not getting any of the damned memo's. (another one of my smallish jokes).

Anyway, like I said, I can oly speak for myself, I have no bad will to anyone here on DU, even people I disagreed with tooth and fang. Who knows, tomorrow we may be on the same side of another debate.

Saw your supportive comments about the Calif. fire, and being smitten from above. Appreciate it!

It's late here and I am off to find some cat pics to post for the critter thread, always a good way to end a long day.

peace-

bd12

[Jamastiene]

94. Yes. Yes, the secret book.

I love your sense of humor. :evilgrin:

[bluedawg12]

95. High Five!

oops..I mean :fistbump:

Thanks mucho grande!:toast:

[Jamastiene]

96. Fist Bump, I didn't know we had that smiley now.

:fistbump:

Cool.

[LostinVA]

108. I haven't received my November 17th updates yet

[mondo joe]

100. If you're more worried about those who are anti gay than those whose

civil rights were stripped, you are a homophobe.

[bluedawg12]

102. The definition of homophobia reminds me of the defintion of obscenity

"I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . but I know it when I see it ."


The full context:
>>In 1964, Justice Potter Stewart tried to explain "hard-core" pornography, or what is obscene, by saying, "I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced . . . but I know it when I see it . . . "<<

.....

Interesting bit of history and some insight into free speech:

http://library.findlaw.com/2003/May/15/132747.html
Movie Day at the Supreme Court or "I Know It When I See It": A History of the Definition of Obscenity.
By Judith A. Silver of Coollawyer.com

What is "obscene" under U.S. law has plagued our courts for the last fifty years. Many people don't realize that in our society, which trumpets free speech, that there are many restrictions on speech, including restrictions on adult or sexual images and words - or "obscene" materials. Other forms of unprotected or regulated speech include: speech which creates a clear and present danger of imminent lawless action; speech which contains narrowly predefined "fighting words"; written or spoken untruths (libel, slander, fraud) which may be punished by civil suit; speech which is false or deceptive advertising; speech which threatens others; and speech with restrictions justified because the government can demonstrate a "narrowly tailored" "compelling interest".

"Obscene" speech is "unprotected" speech as ruled by the Supreme Court. "Unprotected speech," means speech that does not enjoy First Amendment protection and may even be criminal to express.

.........

[Zuiderelle]

137. After what's transpired on this thread... I'm going to reiterate this...

Members should be banned from posting in this forum if what they post is not supportive of gay rights/marriage rights/civil rights as a top priority. I am disgusted by people coming here to tell us why our rights are not a top priority for THEM. Civil rights should be a top priority for ALL Americans. We have to put up with this condescending crap in real life and in every other forum on DU. There's no justification for having to put up with it in here.

Period.

[LostinVA]

154. +1

[Jamastiene]

186. + 1,000,000

[racaulk]

158. Agreed.

[The Doctor.]

163. I came here to find out who the jerks were.

Then, for the crime of asking not to mislabel your friends, I found a few more than I expected.

YOU made this an issue... not me.

YOU wanted this fight... not me.

I'd like to talk about help and support. YOU want to demonize me for a perceived slight. You've already deliberately and maliciously mischaracterized what I said and turned it from "Please don't mislabel me" into "your rights aren't important".

What abject BULLSHIT.


Done with you. If another time I wind up in a GLBT thread, I'm sure you'll start a fight with me everytime because of the delusional bullshit you've convinced yourself of.

I know that there are some really twisted-up people around DU. You've really stood out among the crowd.

And I'm still in your corner whether you like it or not.

[Zuiderelle]

166. Please try very hard to stay out of here until you're ready to support equal rights for all as a TOP

priority. Otherwise, you're just an asshole.

You're not in our corner, because you don't understand that it is HOMOPHOBIC to come into a GLBT forum and say that we should not consider someone homophobic who does not consider equality for gay Americans to be a top priority.

It absolutely IS homophobic.

And now I really am done with this circle-jerk.

[The Doctor.]

170. I never said it wasn't. You really have to learn to read.

That, and you need to learn the definition of 'homophobe'.

If someone works on getting out of Iraq 4 hours a day, and then on equal rights for 1 hour... you call them a 'homophobe'?

Sorry, but there's no point in carrying on with someone so foolish as you.

[Zuiderelle]

177. My god, you really are crazy.

[The Doctor.]

183. After all these years of watching people project, one would think

that you would know better than to engage in it yourself.

Funny how we just can't stop dancing. I've been wronged by you. Called things that you cannot justify except by imagining I've said things I have not.

That's insane.

I'll keep this up as long as I feel like it because I know damn well that the facts simply prove me in the right.

You've stretched actuality past the breaking point... and I'll happily keep this alive in order to make that obvious.

I cannot brook such disingenuity... so I'll be happy to expose it for as long as it takes.

You're well out of bounds.

I tried to bring you back to civility. You chose wrong. You chose to make claims against me that you simply cannot back up without lying and misconstruction.

By all means, keep going.


Lay your charge out plainly.

Say just what it is that I've done 'wrong'. I'll bury you with reason and reality.

I've tried to be 'nice', but I've had it.

I understand that reason does not enter into your world... you've proven that.

But give it a shot tiger.

[ColoradoMagician]

175. I thought you just meant 'as a top'

I was like, "Damn, are we gonna do the top/bottom thing here?"
:)

[Zuiderelle]

178. LOL!

[yardwork]

190. Why not? That should attract a whole new set of interested posters from the big forums.

;)

[GreenFiles]

169. *sigh* You're so annoying.

Are you looking for a date or something? Are you cute? I like nerdy types.

[LostinVA]

174. I hope you added youself to the list, Pookie

:pals:

[mondo joe]

184. You didn't need to go past your own mirror.

Now go, before someone drops a house on you.

[AntiFascist]

150. Apparently we need a Polygamy forum...

due to all the pro-polygamy support there seems to be on DU (couple of days ago). That way it would be more difficult for them to try and latch on to gay marriage cause.

[racaulk]

157. Well, this thread has certainly exceed expectations.

:eyes:

FWIW, even if a separate homophobe forum were created (not that I think it's a good idea), that wouldn't stop the homophobes from still coming here and posting.

Can this thread be locked now?

[ColoradoMagician]

176. Don't lock the thread.

I think we are all starting to recognize the homophobia that we have been seeing on DU. Is it meant to be hateful? Probably not all the time, but it certainly has opened the eyes of us gays who don't always see it immediately.

"priorities" - I know that we have not made the arguement that this must be everyone's priority. We have not used that word. We have used 'civil rights'. This 'priorities' talking point is the common 'switch the subject/goal of the enemy' technique the the repubs use. They have no answer to our arguement, civil rights, so they say we are going crazy, and we are telling everyone that this should be their priority.

I am glad that this thread made it on the GP. We are all aound in this world, so you might as well get used to us showing up on your t.v., radio and, Good Lord, maybe even the GP thread. If the title of the thread doesn't interest you, don't click on it.

Homophobes should realize that we aren't going away, put we sure are much quieter if you don't start a fight with us.

[Zuiderelle]

191. I just reread this thread.

This is some funny shit.

:rofl:

[sui generis]

194. keep your friends close

keep your enemies closer

We know who they are, even if they don't.