Prop 8 eliminated the covenant we all had about respecting religions

[IndianaGreen]

Moderates have to realize that they are in the middle of a culture war in which the theocrats want to turn the US into a religious dictatorship, not unlike the one the mullahs ran after the Iranian revolution. Prop 8 was such a betrayal of the social contract, the part about respecting religious views, that it has given legitimacy to the idea of attacking core religious views (and the institutions behind them) in order to restore the separation of church and state.

Prop 8 was only the first step, and California was just the first battle in a long war.

[frebrd]

1. Don't know who you mean by "we all".....

Accepting religions' right to exist is one thing; respecting them is another matter entirely.

[NorthernSpy]

2. Alrighty. Next time spies from "the Jewish State" compromise our national security...

... we'll all know which religious group to vilify.


:sarcasm:


:eyes:

[jonnyblitz]

3. you aren't making any sense and why are you in this forum

trolling? this is the second thread I have seen you post on trying to cause trouble. this forum is for DUs gay and lesbian community and it's allies, not people who want to antagonize and stir shit. you can do THAT in the main forums.

[NorthernSpy]

5. I'm pointing out the unpalatable implications of what the OP advocates...

I'd have said that doing that is valid and necessary. Do you consider urging caution to be a hostile act?


If so, then it might do you good to step outside the echo chamber occasionally.

[bluedawg12]

6. The unpalatable implications are from theocrats

who use carefully selected textual references to incite people towards fearful nationalism, bigotry, witch hunts, scapegoating and often times lead to hate violence.

If you heard this comment would you know if it was about Jews in the third reich, or gays under the religious reich?

“While our troops battle...tyrants abroad, a parallel battle rages here on our soil for the family and ultimately the future of our nation.”

Wisdom is the thing to get and with all you getting get understanding...

Religious Coalitions For and Against Gay Marriage: The Culture War Rages On

David E. Campbell University of Notre Dame
Carin Larson Georgetown UniversityNote:

To be published in The Politics of Same-Sex Marriage, eds. Craig Rimmerman and Clyde Wilcox, University of Chicago Press.

“We come here today for the audience of One,” proclaimed the president of the Family Research Council, Tony Perkins. He stood before a cheering crowd gathered for the Mayday for Marriage rally on the National Mall in Washington, D.C. “While our troops battle terrorists and tyrants abroad, a parallel battle rages here on our soil for the family and ultimately the future of our nation.”1

On October 15, 2004, more than 200,000 people gathered in Washington, D.C. to defend what they see to be the traditional definition of marriage between one man and one woman. The Mayday for Marriage movement was organized in response to the rise of same-sex marriage on the national political agenda—on the west coast the mayor of San Francisco had authorized the marriage of same-sex couples, on the east coast the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts had issued a ruling mandating gay marriages in the Bay State, and in between gay marriages were being performed in a handful of jurisdictions.

A number of conservative pro-family groups, such as the Family Research Council, have since mobilized to host rallies across the country, attracting defenders of traditional marriage from a variety of denominations and faiths. To foreshadow the argument of this chapter—namely, that opposition to gay marriage unites religious traditionalists across the denominational spectrum—it is interesting to note that while the Family Research Council’s constituency is predominantly white evangelicals, Mayday for Marriage was begun by an African-American pastor.2

http://66.218.69.11/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=Daughter+of...

[Duncan Grant]

7. Your sarcasm is out of context.

Aren't we talking about the social contract? The one in which I support your freedom of religion to the degree that it respects the separation of church and state?

The same social contract that upholds that all are equal under the law? Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? Liberty and justice for all?

[jesus_of_suburbia]

4. I'm all for battling idiots who believe in organized religion. I think I'll start by mocking....

the Abrahamic Religions.


Maybe I should start posting a topic about my favorite Bible verse of the day. I could go ON AND ON AND ON AND ON.

Here's the first (and I might decide to make this a daily priority in GD).


2 Kings 2:


2:23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.