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Clintonista2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:11 PM
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Question: What happens if YES wins on prop 8?
What would the next step be?
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:12 PM
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1. State Supreme Court
One can hope it would be overturned there, but that's a mighty thin chance to bet the farm on.

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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:14 PM
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3. And, if that doesn't work ...
we will call for a special election, and keep on trying to repeal it until we do!
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:07 PM
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12. It can't be overturned
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 10:09 PM by ruggerson
it's a constitutional amendment.

The State Supreme court has already addressed it. That's why there IS a Prop 8.

I believe it could be overturned by the USSC.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:13 PM
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2. Get the shit declared unconstitutional.
Since the highest court in the state already ruled in favor of gay marriage, based on the 14th amendment, that shouldn't be too difficult.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:18 PM
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4. Huh? You think Scalia and Alito are going to agree with that? I think we lose in the US Sup. Ct.
The only thing to do would be to mobilize a CA referendum repealing this provision of the CA constitution.
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:30 PM
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8. By the time it would make it to SCOTUS
Obama should have appointed a couple of good liberal judges.
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:34 PM
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9. A couple of good liberal judges to replace the 80 and 90 year old liberal judges
who are already on the court. Sclai and Thomas won't retire under Obama.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:39 PM
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11. I hope you are right.
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SoCalNative Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:18 PM
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5. It will likely be challenged
as a revision to the Constitution, rather than an amendment, based upon the May ruling.

If it's ruled to be a revision, it will require 2/3 approval by the Legislature, which it will never get.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:21 PM
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7. That would be a wonderful end to this.
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greeneyedboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:10 PM
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19. i'd rather just vote it down and be done with it. n/t
No on Prop 8 is slowly but surely closing the fundraising gap, but time is running out. We are phonebanking and getting out-of-state friends/family to match our latest donation. It would suck to have our Obama celebration ruined by losing our marriage license.
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:08 PM
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13. What is the legal difference under the CA constitution?
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:20 PM
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6. then they'll have to make gay divorce legal!
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:37 PM
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10. I was going to say lick our wounds
start organizing for 2010 with some real leadership

not the idiots currently running the campaign now

we need a real grass roots campaign

I'm only a bit surprised that No on 8 had so few donors

they were going after the big guys and got them but they forgot they needed the little donors like me as well


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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:25 PM
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21. I for one, will never vote for a veterans or school bond
again
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:25 PM
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24. I did vote against the bond for veterans this time
why should we foot the bill for them to buy houses when the average person can't afford squat in this state
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:48 PM
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14. I think the next step would be to see if we could challenge the validity of the proposition
Legal groups have already challenged this proposition on the basis of it being a revision of the state constitution, not an ammendment. It's esoteric, but the court didn't rule on it. It basically just said let the election happen. Potentially they could revisit it though if it did pass.

Still it would be far better if it failed. I just wish there were some reputable polling out. Nothing from Field Poll in weeks.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 05:40 AM
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15. I think it's important that it's defeated 11/4.
This would be a HUGE loss to the Mormon Church, the bigots, etc. I want to see them fail on this. And perhaps a defeat on such a high profile amendment would deter any other marriage amendments (I don't, for instance, want these bigots to try something like this in Connecticut).

I receieved an email from Equality California (which reminds me to make another no on Prop 8 donation. :-)) saying that according to Survey USA, it's essentially a dead heat as far as polling for Prop 8 is concerned. 48% in favor, 45% against.
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LeftCoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 09:24 AM
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16. Agreed completely!
I can't believe things have shifted around like these latest polls are saying.

Fingers crossed and wallets open over here. :)
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:04 PM
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17. A march on St Mary's Cathedral and or'
That disgusting Mormon edifice in Oakland
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 03:24 PM
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18. Yup...if they are going deny rights....then we are gonna get pissed...
I say a constant gathering of protesters at Churches that backed the Prop...all across the Nation...

Shame the members into leaving the Church.

Think of when kids ask parents why the people are calling us haters...and "Mommy why can't a man marry a man?"


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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 04:22 PM
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20. replete with posters
showing Maimed children of their war effort. The RC's claim to be against it then they prevaricate,and say it's arguable. Mormons are just plain ol evil warmongers like the Baptists in their efforts to appear as American.
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Tyo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 05:48 PM
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22. OT, but every Mormon house of worship I've ever seen
has been a piece of crap from an aesthetic point of view. It's bad enough that they are theocrats, but they have no taste either.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 10:47 PM
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25. Yes, it's as if Liberace had belonged to a UFO cult. n/t
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-22-08 07:05 PM
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23. We fight harder the next time. There's not much else we can do.
We'd probably lose a same-sex marriage fight in the federal courts at the moment.
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