Sick and tired of hearing, "Gays are RECRUITED, not Made"

[HockeyMom]

They keep saying we must "protect" the children from seeing, hearing, or reading about the gay "lifestyle".

Ok, I am not gay myself, but I bred a gay daughter (out of 2 kids); just like my grandmother bred a gay daughter (out of 2 kids), just like my grandmother-in-law bred a gay son (out of 3 kids), just like my sister-in-law bred a gay son and a gay daughter (out of 4 kids).

You want a case for GENETICS??? I give you my family AND my husband's family. Hell, half the gay people in our families never even met each other (dead or lived far, far away), so forget the recruitment crap. I have traced my family tree back to the 16th Century during the past 25 years and have found an inordinate number of never married, no children branches in it. Same for my husband's family. I would bet my right eye that these people were probably gay also.

These people are using religion to promote bigotry and hatred. Yes, hatred. They don't even want to consider that genes is what could account for being gay. Then nobody could do anything about it. Right? You cannot change the color of your skin and you cannot change your sexual orientation. It throws their religious views right out the window. If it is something that you CHOOSE to do, then they can HATE you for it. Am I wrong?

Anyway, I would just like to close in saying that as a mother, I would never want to change my daughter. I have even heard some say, IF a gene was discovered, then would we abort those fetuses who were found to have the gay gene? That might be a dilemma for THEM, but not the rest of us.

I love my daughter, as she is, thank you, very much.

Thanks, for letting me vent a little.

[BOSSHOG]

1. They are incredibly hateful aren't they?

And you vent all you want teammate.

And what makes this situation sadder is that they are taught to hate; one could almost say "recruited" to hate. A young child does not grow up to hate people they are supposedly protected from; the hate is taught from the pulpit and through the parent. Jesus is gonna have a helluva ass kicking contest when the haters pass on and attempt to get through the pearly gates. They aren't into knowing stuff, just believing stuff. Somehow it makes them feel good being ignorant.

[IntravenousDemilo]

28. You've got to be taught to hate and fear.

You've got to be taught from year to year.
It's got to be drummed in your dear little ear.
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made
And people whose skin is a different shade.
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught, before it's too late,
Before you are six, or seven, or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate.
You've got to be carefully taught.
You've got to be carefully taught.

--Oscar Hammerstein 2nd, from South Pacific

[Fridays Child]

2. The irony is that the whackjobs actually do try to recruit straights...

...in the sense that they offer "cures" for homosexuality.

[dsc]

3. I literally begged God to make me straight

For several years I was deeply ashamed and downright hated myself all because that is what I was taught from the pulpit. It is beyond ridiculous to me that someone would choose to be gay.

[Bobbieo]

4. You are a Two-Spirit Person

That is the way most Native Americans describe Gays.

[dsc]

6. It took me a long time to accept myself

I like the notion of being two spirited. I think it fits the often double lives we end up living.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. Who recruited the intersexed persons then... just wondering

how all that was accomplished.... I hope Jayzus didn't have a part in it.

[sui generis]

14. oh that's purely the fault of the parents

they were thinking bad thoughts or their city council approved anti-discrimination or something. :silly:

Isn't it ironic that one of the arguments the ex-gays use is that life is so much safer and easier and less tortured if you're straight, while they're the ones who are telling you you're defective or misguided or were kid-diddled by evil toaster-oven homos and suppressed the memory, or your mother was an overbearing bitch and your Dad was absent or weak, (more personal versions of the Pat Robertson Tsunami and 9-11 Gay Theories).

These people are OBSESSED! I'm queer and I hardly ever think about it. They can't STOP thinking about it. Gee whillickers, it's not that big a deal. Really.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

16. No, I don't imagine it is.... unless you are afraid of the monster

under the bed and things that go bump in the night.... oh and if you would be willing to burn a witch at the stake, then it might become an obsession with you.... (them).

[Erika]

7. The New Episcopalian leader says God created gays/lesbians

to love their own gender. She says it is NOT a sin.

It is God-given.

[Occulus]

8. Precisely.

ALL opposition- and I do mean every last bigoted word, thought, position, and deed- hinges upon homosexuality being a choice. Take that away, and there can be no rational opposition.

Here's the problem:

It would also prove the Bibble wrong. PROVE it wrong, not simply suggest it. It would be proof, hard and fast, stone-cold proof that the Bible is demonstrably, completely wrong about this issue.

It would make people ask themselves what else the Bibble is wrong about. It would show people that their religion deserves to be questioned.

The religious cannot handle that; it is far too much for them to comprehend. Why? They will realize they have been worshipping a (potential) lie.

They couldn't handle that.

[dsc]

12. I wouldn't go that far

Race is clearly not a choice and was recognized not to be one, long before the Civil Rights era here or the end of Apartheid in SA.

[ThomCat]

15. The bible has been proven wrong many times.

Fools still believe it's the inerrant word of God.

[hraka]

20. Don't lump us all together

I am a Christian lesbian. The passage everyone quotes is Leviticux 18:22. However, the Old Testament also says a man who's brother dies must marry his brother's widow, and that "eating birds of prey, eating shellfish, cross breeding livestock, picking up sticks on a Saturday, planting a mixture of seeds in a field, and wearing clothing that is a blend of two textiles are examples of acts of ritual impurity which made a Child of Isreal unclean. These were not necessarily minor sins; some called for the death penalty."
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibh.htm


Here are some other laws laid down by God in Leviticus:

vs 18:19 says you can't have sexual intercourse with a woman who is menstruating.

vs 17:15: Everyone, whether a native or an alien, who eats of an animal that died of itself or was killed by a wild beast, shall wash his garments, bathe in water, and be unclean until evening, and then he will be clean. (No road kill allowed.)

vs 19:9: "When you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not be so thorough that you reap the field to its very edge, nor shall you glean the stray ears of grain.
19:10: Likewise, you shall not pick your vineyard bare, nor gather up the grapes that have fallen. These things you shall leave for the poor and the alien.

vs 19:20: If a man has carnal relations with a female slave who has already been living with another man but has not yet been redeemed or given her freedom, they shall be punished but not put to death, because she is not free.

vs 19:26: Do not eat meat with the blood still in it (nothing but well done steaks, folks)

vs 19:27: Do not clip your hair at the temples, nor trim the edges of your beard.

vs 19:28: Do not lacerate your bodies for the dead, and do not tattoo yourselves.


Okay, need I go on? People speaking against homosexual rights pick and choose which verses are convenient for their argument.

Ooooh, I just have to ad this one: Vs 19:34: You shall treat the alien who resides with you no differently than the natives born among you; have the same love for him as for yourself; for you too were once aliens in the land of Egypt.

And FINALLY, Leviticus 19:37 commands: Be careful, then, to observe all my statutes and decrees. I am the LORD."

[Occulus]

24. deleted

nevermind

[hraka]

29. All I'm trying to say is

conservatives and repubs pick and choose which passages they'll quote and wave around. You can't decide that being gay is wrong without following the rest of them. It's all or nothing. But that's not convenient for their hateful rants.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

9. Hmm, the only things gays have ever recruted me for

was as a friend. I had one lovely lesbian lady once tell me "I know you're straight, and I'm not coming onto you. But I know you're sort of in a bind right now, so if you need a place to stay, you're welcome." Didn't have the offer from anyone else.

[hraka]

21. Don't forget softball

My best friend and I we're not lovers) were at a picnic for an organization I belong to that is not gay affiliated. Neither of us is especially athletic and we were watching everyone play softball. One woman turns to us and asks why we're not playing. My friend says, "Oh, it's just a myth." I swear, they didn't known whether to laugh or choke.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. I think...

It's the toasters. They *ARE* so very tempting. ;-)

[The Brethren]

11. we need more parents like you....

thanks Hockeymom for that post! And am really glad to see your love and support for your daughter. :)

[NMMNG]

13. That whole meme is utter BS

The only thing we do is try to impress upon other gays and the world that being gay is not abnormal. What they do is far more insidious than even "recruiting". They try to scare people into being straight, and if that doesn't work they attempt to torture them into it. Boot camps, physical beatings, psychological manipulations and abuses. In some instances they even resort to murder should their attempts to force the person into heterosexuality not work.

And then they claim we are recruiting, and that we are evil because of that. :eyes:

[DarkTirade]

17. They try to put their traits onto their 'enemies'.

The true mark of a hypocrite. They try to recruit people into their straight christian lifestyle, then they turn around and accuse non-christians and gays of 'recruiting'.

[NMMNG]

18. Indeed

Talk about recruiting! Just watch one of those proselytizing evangelists in action! Man are they hard to get rid of--they do not understand "No", "No thank you", "I'm not interested" or anything of that nature. They use some of the most high pressure tactics I've ever encountered. I try to be polite but sometimes I just want to tell them to eff off.

Has any gay person ever handed out tracts imploring people to "join the gays", or gone door to door asking people to convert to homosexuality? This whole notion of gays "recruiting" is utter BS, while Christians completely ignore their own "recruiting".

[FuzzyDicePHL]

23. Additionally,

I've NEVER heard of gay people torturing and killing people until they agreed to be gay.

Can't say the same for Xtians.

[DarkTirade]

25. And even if somebody decided to as a joke

these nutjobs would take it seriously, not even realizing the irony of it all.

[hraka]

19. Thanks, Mom

(I could never say that to my own mother. She's a Bush loving, immigrant hating, conservative Republican.)

[ruggerson]

22. This is their big lie

thanks for writing this. I see the genetics in my family too. Close friend has it even more evident. He is gay. His mother's brother is gay. And his maternal grandmother's brother was gay. I think there was a genetic study that says that for the male, the gene runs through the mother's side. My friend's family is living proof.

[hraka]

30. There was research done to isolate the "gay gene"

It just would become an excuse to abort fetuses. Imagine, anti-choice women lining up to get rid of their babies because they might turn out queer.

[littlebit]

26. My partners father

has two kids by two differnt women and both of them are gay.

[BR_Parkway]

27. Welcome to DU littlebit!