That does it, I quit

[Brian_Expat]

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-gay12.html

Dean told Christian Broadcasting Network News that the 2004 Democratic platform declares ''marriage is between a man and a woman'' -- just one of the points he made in reaching out to religious conservatives largely hostile to the party.

But the platform does not define marriage that way, and his remarks prompted the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force to return a $5,000 donation from the Democratic National Committee.

. . . snip. . .

Dean sought to establish common ground with religious conservatives in the CBN interview.

Dean said Democrats ''have an enormous amount in common with the Christian community, and particularly with the evangelical Christian community. ...

"One of the biggest things that Democrats worry about is the materialism of our country, what's on television that our kids are seeing, and the lack of spirituality,'' he said.

Fuck Howard Dean and fuck the DNC. I'm through with both.

I feel like an idiot for having been an early and passionate supporter of his presidential campaign. I even gave him a couple of hundred dollars.

I'm done. I don't think I'm the only one either.

[Warpy]

1. You keep making this same post over and over again.

I doubt you've seen the interview. Watch it at http://www.cbn.com/vod/index.aspx?s=/vod/HowardDeanIntv_051006

As I've pointed out to you before and am not too shy to point out again, Dean signed a gay civil union bill into law in Vermont!

Check it out. Or keep the broken record and provoke speculation.

[queenbdem87]

5. Civil unions are

not a moderate compromise....they are bullshit from the right. Having said that....i still agree with you warpy...and I am gay.

[Brian_Expat]

8. Actually, this is my first post on this topic

And before you lecture me about Howard Dean's history, I know quite a bit about him. I campaigned for him in 2000 (VT governor's race) and 2004. I daresay I know more about him than most of his present defenders (many of whom were critics back in the primaries when I was a supporter).

So I'll thank you to back off.

[msongs]

22. how can we miss you if you don't go away : - )

you said you "quit". but you're still here. perhaps you'd like to change that to "I am frustrated and no longer support howard dean."
that way, you don't have to quit, you just have to ignore the doctor and his views.

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[justin899]

25. Ignoring people who pander to bigots doesn't solve anything

it just makes the problems worse.

[cboy4]

16. I watched the interview and threw up 11 times. Otherwise, Dean did

a swell job saying democrats have a lot in common with those horrible, inhumane right wing fundamentalist radical christian conservatives.

And just because he signed a gay civil union bill (which is pretty much a bunch of useless bullshit by the way), that doesn't mean I'm going to give him slack to go kissing up to the evangelicals.

There's no reason the democrats need to reach out to those creatures. NOTHING will persuade them to vote democrat. NOTHING.

Dean has no business associating himself with Pat Robertson's TV network, and he needs to stop.

[justin899]

24. And as has been pointed out to YOU repeatedly

Dean signed the worthless civil unions bill under a court order. He could have pushed full marriage equality but instead opted for this worthless second class civil unions bill.

Why is that so difficult for your ilk to grasp?????

[Dunvegan]

2. I'm having real trouble with this also...I'd still like the GLBT community

...get to question Dean on this first.

And, ideally, Dean should make the first contact.

This not my picture at all of what Dean stood for...at least in my understanding.

I'd like him to explain this very, very clearly to his GLBT constituents, ASAP.

Considering the good Dean has done, he deserves a chance to explain to the parties aggrieved.

[Proud_Democratt]

3. 2004????????? Who cares about old news??

[Der Blaue Engel]

10. It was just a couple of days ago

He was (incorrectly, which he acknowledged yesterday) referring to the 2004 party platform.

[sweetheart]

4. peace bro

... dean will win us this one... but ya gotta trust his instinct... he's gotta doozey.

[Botany]

6. take a deep breath .....

..... Dean is your Friend. This is getting whipped up way past what it needs to.
Dean is the Politics of the real ..... and if you want gay rights ( or to me basic human
rights ) please know that his plan to get dems elected nationwide will help all GLB&T.

Forget the now and look at the big picture ..... expect the repugs to whip up
a Gay v Dean fight as much as possible.

[Der Blaue Engel]

7. He said he misspoke yesterday

I don't like that he said it at all, but he did acknowledge that he was not correct about the party platform. Did anyone else see that? I'll have to go look it up.

No, I'm not done. I'm a passionate supporter of Kerry and he's made similar statements that I don't agree with. Pragmatically, I feel it's imperative to support the Democrats right now, and put the screws to them later.

[Deja Q]

32. Well, we vote for them. And their job is to sell their services to us.

Dean kinda made a McBlunder. :(

If society is so jaded we have to cater to both sides rather than the common good, then Kennedy not just failed... people are remembering him in vain.

[MuseRider]

9. Can't say that I blame you. n/t

[pepperbear]

11. hey not so fast there champ....

http://365gay.com/Newscon06/05/051106deanUp.htm

he isn't that stupid...just stupid enough to say the wrong thing. he would be an IDIOT to flip on an issue like this because the left wing would leave him and the mods and conservatives would never trust him. You don't just flip on an issue like that without it looking purely political.

Yes, I think it was a feeble, ill advised attempt to pander to the RW, but hey right now isn't the time to jump ship. I don't think Dean is. we need to support each other as a grassroots movement right now...if for no other reason than the future is very uncertain right now...now more than ever before imho.

Please hang in there...Dean isn't running for anything anyway.

Think Feingold?? :) :) :)

:grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug:

[CountAllVotes]

12. I'm not gay but I do believe in God

I'm with you however. I never liked Howard Dean. I don't think he is doing the Democratic party any good whatsoever.

I'm glad he did not get the nomination for the Democratic party.

As for him being the governor of Vermont, you should talk to someone from there some time.

I did prior to the last election. The person I talked to was a disabled young man that had a service dog with him because he suffers from severe seizures.

I asked him what he thought of Howard Dean and he just shook his had as to say "no". I asked him why such an opinion? He replied (and I paraphrase), "He doesn't do a thing for the likes of me or any other disabled person in Vermont that is for sure. I think the man is a shill and a buffoon and he has no sympathy nor offers no hope nor care for the likes of me nor anyone else in a similar position."

After that conversation from a person that truly knows the reality of Howard Dean's agenda that is from Vermont, I have never supported him nor the DNC.

Sorry about that Howard Dean fans. The man just doesn't cut it with me either regardless of his sickening views on gays and his trumped up supposed "spiritual" agenda that he now suddenly touts.

He flows like the tide - in and out and never anything that is necessarily predictable nor therefore practical much less useful; now he is "spiritual; what a hypocrite! Note: He sure grabbed that $5,000 fast didn't he? I seriously doubt they'll get the donation back despite him showing his "true self".

:grr:

That is just my personal opinion of Dean, like it or not and it will never change. I don't like the guy.

:dem: :kick:

[davidinalameda]

15. I'm gay and I believe in God

and I'm still trying to figure out what in the world he was doing on CBN in the first place

[bliss_eternal]

33. ...a most excellent question.

:shrug:

[Rose Siding]

13. Here's the interview-

http://www.cbn.com/vod/index.aspx?s=/vod/HowardDeanIntv_051006

That article doesn't really convey that that remark about the platform didn't reflect Dean's personal belief -he used it, incorrectly, as an example of a starting point for the discussion (not one I agree with) and he went on to explain it was something not everyone (the cbn audience) would agree with him on.

[Oversea Visitor]

14. grrrrr

:spank: x(

[Sarah Ibarruri]

17. The U.S. is an extremely backward country. Or haven't you noticed?

I've lived abroad and lived here, and believe me, this is a backward country. It isn't ready for a female president. It isn't ready to let gays have the same rights as straights. It isn't ready for anything except stupidity such as electing a fascist a-hole to destroy our country.

[Sarah Ibarruri]

18. The U.S. is an extremely backward country. Or haven't you noticed?

I've lived abroad and lived here, and believe me, this is a backward country. It isn't ready for a female president. It isn't ready to let gays have the same rights as straights. It isn't ready for anything except stupidity such as electing a fascist a-hole to destroy our country.

[Siyahamba]

23. It is really remarkable how one can step across an invisible line

And go backward fifty years.

[Inland]

19. I never know what to say to these "I'm outta here threads."

But this is what I came up with last time.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1169131&mesg_id=1169370

[cboy4]

21. You don't know what to say to these "I'm outta here threads?"

How about you say nothing?

He's clearly frustrated.

And do you really have to link to yourself? :eyes:

[closeupready]

27. Thank you. You read my mind.

:hi:

[Inland]

30. "How about you saying nothing?" Well, there's one "cure" for what ails.

Like I said, it's either meekly accept the rant or get a smacking.

[5X]

20. I can get past the mis-speak...but I can't get past...

speaking to the religious wing of the kkk.

[closeupready]

26. You're not the only one. I also think I'm

going to start curtailing my online stumping for dems, and find other activities to engage myself.

What with Hillary and Dean and just about anyone else, I'm not convinced the dems are as THERE for us as they could and should be. They are - as a party - the lesser of two evils, and in races where the choice is between tweedledee and tweedledum, I'll choose the dem, but not all races are like that. And some non-dem candidates are appealing.

And you know, I come here almost every day, and whenever these issues pop up, I end up leaving feeling dispirited, not supported or appreciated and just feeling abused. I'm over it.

[William769]

28. I have said it before & I will say it again.

HOWARD DEAN IS A PIECE OF SHIT!

I have already contacted the DNC & withdrew my financial support until this maggot ig gone.

I have taken a stand that the lesser of two evils just doesn't cut it anymore.

[Liberal Veteran]

29. Gosh! Whatever shall we do without your constant criticism..

....of gay people in America?

Bye! I won't miss you and won't pretend to.

[Rowdyboy]

31. The OP isn't going anywhere.....DU is his venue to attack Democrats....

and has been for years. Why would he leave? I'm sorry, should I ever decide to leave, I'll do it quietly, with dignity, and not use it as an attempt to garner attention.

Life is too short to waste time trying to convince ideologues who are unwilling to consider any view other than their own.