Pope Benedict rails against proposed rights for gay couples

[davidinalameda]

http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid30820.asp

Pope Benedict, speaking out on a topic that Italy's incoming center-left government will likely have to confront, on Thursday condemned same-sex marriage and legal recognition of unwed couples. The 79-year-old German pope immediately came under fire from some leftists who accused him of trying to write the country's political agenda, the Reuters news agency reports.

The pope, speaking to a conference on marriage and the family, reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church's position that marriage must be a union of a man and a woman and open to procreation. "Only the rock of total and irrevocable love between a man and a woman is capable of being the foundation of building a society that becomes a home for all mankind," he said. Benedict told the group that marriage is for a man and a woman "who are open to the transmission of life and thus cooperate with God in the generation of new human beings."

[acmavm]

1. Oh jeez, here he goes again. Why doesn't he just relax and

let God sort it out? That's what Christ said, "Judge no lest..."

[Ian David]

7. Pope Ratso doth protest too much. n/t

[adriennui]

2. let him rail all he wants

as far as i'm concerned, he's the sound of one hand clapping.

[Mythsaje]

3. Again, one of the "sexless" wonders

commenting on other people's sexuality.

Look to your own house first, you weirdo.

[TechBear_Seattle]

4. Pope Maladict hates human rights

But then, what would you expect from a former Nazi and Chief High Inquisitor?

[Gildor Inglorion]

5. A legitimate question: What does this shaman's interpretation of

a primitive superstition have to do with anyone's rights as a citizen? I hope our Italian brothers and sisters will ignore him as he so richly deserves.

[Ian David]

8. I hope President Pelosi will discover The Vatican is enriching Uranium n/t

[Ian David]

6. Gay sex is a private matter between a priest and his altar boys n/t

[Ian David]

9. "Men will never be free until the last king...

"...is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.”
-- Denis Diderot (1713-1784)

[Siyahamba]

10. Just wait until Italy has marriage equality

We'll have the Vatican surrounded. :D

[Peace Patriot]

11. Good! The more the Pope rails against gay marriage, and promotes

Catholic doctrine on the matter, the more obvious it becomes that anti-gay marriage laws violate the ABSOLUTE separation of church and state established by the First Amendment, here.

Do we want foreign prelates dictating our laws? Do we want our country ripped to shreds by the religious wars that our forebears fled from--that were CAUSED BY the wedding of church and state? Do we want factions of Protestants drawing and quartering other Protestants for their dissenting religious beliefs? Do we want Inquisitions and witch-burnings, and stupidity and ignorance and religious slaughter to visit our shores?

Separation of church and state. THAT's what this country is ALL about. And if we lose that, we lose all.

And let me add this: One of the two Bushite corporations that now 'count' all our votes with 'TRADE SECRET,' PROPRIETARY programming code, and virtually no audit/recount controls, is ES&S, a spinoff of Diebold, initially funded by rightwing billionaire Howard Ahmanson, who also gave one million dollars to the extremist 'christian' Chalcedon Foundation, which touts the death penalty for homosexuals, among other things.

That's who is counting our votes behind a veil of secrecy: far rightwing Bushites.

Diebold and ES&S = the end of our Constitution and the end of our democracy.

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For those who need the info...

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SOME RESOURCES FOR AMERICAN REVOLUTION II:

Hopeful signs - latest news:

California voters sue the state over Diebold:
www.VoterAction.org is suing the state of California and 18 Calif county registrars on behalf of 25 California voter/plaintiffs, on the illegal Diebold "certification" by Schwarzenegger appointee Bruce McPherson.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2180496
Seven of these counties just promised the judge they would use PAPER BALLOTS, and were dismissed from this lawsuit (4/27/06).
http://kcbs.com/pages/29285.php
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2249205

Maryland rejects Diebold:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x418263

Florida - anti-trust accusations against Diebold, ES&S and Sequoia, re: heroic Florida election official Ion Sancho:
(FLA AG subpoenas the companies)
http://www.computerworld.com/governmenttopics/government/legalissues/story/0,10801,110192,00.html
http://www.tbo.com/news/politics/MGBKSY8W8LE.html
(info & discussion)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2183630

Utah county clerk fights back!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x419226

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More resources for American Revolution II:

www.votersunite.org (MythBreakers - easy primer on electronic voting--one of the myths is that HAVA requires electronic voting; it does not.)
www.UScountvotes.org (statistical monitoring of '06 and '08 elections--they need donations)


(Activist sites with links to state activist groups or info)
www.votetrustusa.org (news of this great movement from around the country)
www.votersunited.org (good general info, and state links)
www.verifiedvoting.org (great activist site)
www.solarbus.org/election/index.shtml (fab compendium of all election info)

www.freepress.org (devoted to election reform)
www.bradblog.com (also great, and devoted to election reform)
www.TruthIsAll.net (analysis of the 2004 election)* :patriot: :applause: :patriot:
www.votepa.us (well-organized local group of citizen activists in Pennsylvania, where important legal issues are at stake, including state's rights over election systems)
Provisions of the PA lawsuit:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x423739

The Voter Confidence Resolution
http://tinyurl.com/rlnr2 (“We Do Not Consent”)
http://guvwurld.blogspot.com (GuvWurld blog main page)
http://tinyurl.com/amryg (Voter Confidence Resolution

www.debrabowen.com (Calif Senator running for Sec of State to reform election system)
www.johnbonifaz.com (running for Massachusetts Sec of State on strong election reform and antiwar platform)

*Some tributes to TruthIsAll, who is very ill:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417007
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x417231
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x675477

Congressional bills:

Russ Holt's HR 550 requires a real paper ballot, bans secret software in "voting machines", and has more than 170 co-sponsors, but the audit required is too weak, it promotes electronic voting and centralized power, and the secret software might be permitted to continue in the central tabulators (the bill is not clear). To sign the HR 550 petition: http://www.rushholt.com/petition.html
At lot of discussion at DU of the loopholes/pitfalls in HR 550:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x422926
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x421136
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=422967&mesg_id=422967
(Note: Senate Bill-SB 330 and House-HR704 simply require a "voter verified paper audit trail" (VVPAT), which may be best for the moment.)


Also of interest:

Michael Collins (Autorank)'s searing election reform article for New Zealand's Scoop.com
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x971363

Bob Koehler (-- four recent election reform initiatives in Ohio, predicted to win by 60/40 votes, flipped over, on election day, into 60/40 LOSSES!--the biggest flipover we've seen yet; the election theft machines and their masters are now dictating election policy! Title: "Poll Shock" 11/24/05)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col321.htm

Bob Koehler's latest: "Trust us: Take this box and stuff it" (3/16/06)
http://commonwonders.com/archives/col337.htm
More Koehler:
www.tmsfeatures.com/tmsfeatures/subcategory.jsp?file=20051124ctnbk-a.txt&catid=1824&code=ctnbk

Amaryllis (Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia lavish lobbying of election officials - Beverly Hilton, Aug. '05)
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x380340

HOWARD DEAN remarks on electronic voting machines 04/06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x994507

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Throw Diebold, ES&S and ALL election theft machines into 'Boston Harbor' NOW!

:think: :patriot: :woohoo: :patriot: :think:

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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." --Thomas Jefferson, The Declaration of Independence