Gays Ruining Families Cardinal Says

[davidinalameda]

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon05/12/123005ScotsRC.htm

Scotland's Catholic prelate is using his New Year message to condemn gay unions.

Civil partnerships became legal throughout the UK this month (story) and on Friday a new law went into effect allowing same-sex couples to adopt. (story) The Scottish government is expected to pass similar adoption laws in the new year.

Cardinal Keith O'Brien's message to Scots Catholics is devoted almost exclusively to attacking the government for its actions saying it has "condoned and endorsed trends in society that are ruinous of family life".

"Sadly, we live at a time when the truth of marriage and family is obscured and distorted," the Cardinal says.

[Deja Q]

1. I am? How? I'm not doing anything to ruin their marriages.

They're doing it themselves. By lying and pretending to be something they're not.

You can't make an honest life decision in a society that does cruel things to those who don't "choose correctly". (more proof that life isn't about free will or having the freedom to choose.)

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Do gays knock on our doors to break up our marriages? No.

This is such bullshit. I'm so sick and tired of Christian religions and their lies.

[Harry S Truman]

7. Wonderfully said

More people should say it.

[Straight Shooter]

2. Pedophiles ruin more marriages (and families) than gays do.

And I say that as a lapsed Catholic who does not believe that all priests are pedophiles, not at all. It's just that it's my belief that someone needs to clean up their own back yard before pointing out that someone else's yard disturbs them.

[GrpCaptMandrake]

4. By that line of thinking, then

the monastic orders were/are equally "ruinous of family life," right? After all, they pull men and women away from family life to live in same-sex communes.

[Avalux]

5. Bullshit.

Pedophilia, Incest, Child Abuse, Spousal Abuse - those are the things that ruin families, not civil partnerships. x(

[noamnety]

6. Do they have a single example?

My family hasn't been ruined by gays, but I try to remain open-minded. Perhaps they could provide us a list of which families have been destroyed.

And then maybe they could explain why they are fighting harder against gay unions than against divorce, since divorce seems to break up a lot more families.

And after that, they could discuss whether they think it's appropriate to make marriage and pregnancy mandatory, since it's "for the good of society." Are they in favor of state-arranged marriages for those who don't seem capable of taking the plunge while still in their child-bearing years? That's really the underlying message, isn't it?

[BR_Parkway]

19. That would be an awesome newspaper ad - two colums - one side

is a list of all the divorces granted since whatever date the law went into effect. The other side totally blank - under a heading of "All marraiges destroyed by gays getting married"

That would put the hypocracy right in their face

The Cardinal (a never married and supposedly celibate man) should be focusing his New Year's message on a grassroots drive to wipe out divorce - forever, constitutional amendments outlawing it and everything. That would do so much more to 'protect marriage'.

[closeupready]

8. Is Vatican scapegoating gays

in order to deflect attention from the pedophilia scandal? In my opinion, that's exactly what's going on.

I'm so disgusted with them. I will not attend another Mass or give money to any Catholic endeavors until they turn their message of hate around to a message of love.

[Sandpiper]

12. Gays have replaced Jews

As the RCC's chief villains.

Maybe in a few centuries, another Pope will be apologizing for his church's inhumane treatment of homosexuals.

[sui generis]

30. oy, look there, a gay poisoning the well

you know they eat christian babies on the sabbath.

What will we do with them. We can't even put them into a Gay Ghetto because then all the straight people want to live there after the neighborhood has been cleaned up and property values have quadrupled.

What to do, what to do? . . .:shrug:

[sasha031]

9. the Catholic church has moved back to the 6th century

By Stacy Meichtry
Religion News Service

Assisi, Italy - He is a champion of animal rights to some and a hero of anti-globalism to others. There are even those who consider him heaven's first vegetarian.

<snip>
Although the saint's legacy of bonhomie has long made him a standout in the Roman Catholic establishment, lately the contrast has become excessively glaring. With national elections approaching in predominantly Catholic Italy and a new papacy well under way in Rome, a push to tone down Francis' public image is taking shape.
His strongest criticism, however, was directed at the public's perception of the saint. The Franciscans have turned their founder into a "romanticized little saint" and "a village idiot who goes around talking to wolves and birds and patting everyone on the back," Messori said. Messori also questioned Francis' legacy of pacifism, noting that the "historical Francis, in fact, belongs to the church of the Crusades."
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/182/story_18213_1.html#c...

[Zambero]

10. If every gay priest was to disappear from the face of the earth....

There would suddenly be 30-40 percent fewer priests, according to some very conservative estimates. The Vatican knows this. Is the Catholic Church also "ruined"? Only the church can say. At any rate, this is another fine example of fixating on someone else's eye speck, while conveniently ignoring the log obstructing one's own field of vision. Past inquisitions and holocausts were preceded by blanket indictments of "undesirable" societal elements, which were used to justify the horrors that followed. It's sad indeed that the Catholic Church refuses to learn from their own past mistakes and (in the case of Pope Pius XII when it came to the murder of 6 million Jews) oversights.

[closeupready]

11. Interesting analogy

given the current Pope's resume.

[acmavm]

13. Oh nuts. My girls father was the stereotypical straight, macho, hard

drinking, cheating, lying, wife beating stereotype. Women were lesser beings, girl children were a disappointment, and it was fair to punch the wife everytime he had a feeling of inadequacy or she did something real or imagined that he didn't like. Oh, and he threw around sayings like 'falsifiers are doomed to the lowest place in hell', 'women are the source of all the problems in the world', etc.

I'll be damned if I know what he meant because he was one of the biggest liars I've ever known. And if an attitude like that against women wasn't destined to lead to trouble (and divorce), I don't know what would. He was a Catholic boy, educated in the catholic schools. He was a mess of contradictions and weirdness. He was a great guy before marriage, but as someone once put it, that was when he was 'campaigning'. After he got what he wanted he decided to be the real Larry.

Religion mixed with a he-man macho attitude. There's a real combination that is guaranteed to ruin any marriage. And there's millions of those types of clowns around. Every one of his friends were just like him. Maybe some weren't physically abusive, but they had the rest of it down pat.

I've got a crazy son-in-law who's a messed up kind of Southern Loony-tune Baptist who almost makes Larry look sane. I keep trying to tell the girl that he's screwed up for life, and I think she knows it but just isn't ready to face the fact. I'm not against religion, just what whackos make out of it, how the use it for their own ends.

Oh yeah. Regarding Larry. One time when he was in the fifth grade he did something his Mom didn't like and she made him wear one of his sister Rosemary's dresses to school. (Catholic school no less.) I always thought that had a lot to do with why he was such a nutcase.

[Golden Raisin]

14. When catholic priests stop banging altar boys

MAYBE I'd be a bit more inclined to listen to what the "good" cardinal has to say about the "ruination of family life".

[Options Remain]

15. Gays dont ruin families. HATE and BIGOTRY ruins families.

nt

[badgerpup]

16. I don't get it.

Could somebody please 'splain me how Gertrude and Alice's...or Mark and Chase's civil union in any way affects the marriage of John and Jane?
Unless, of course the same-sex couples have a more stable relationship, thereby pointing up the inadequacies and 'room for improvement' in that of the heterosexual couple...

I know several same-sex couples and they have very stable, affectionate relationships.
On the other hand, if I want drama, angst, and conflict I know a lot of 'normal' couples too. :shrug:

[IndianaGreen]

17. Coming from the same clergy that coddled the pedophiles among them

We must also realize that the current witch hunts against LGBTs and the purges against gay priests, and their supporters, is nothing but a smokescreen to distract the faithful from the Church's failure to protect children and her support of rightwing regimes around the world.

The Church loves the poor, for as long as they remaing poor. Any attempt by the poor to organize and break the chains that tie them to their capitalist enslavers will be opposed by the Vatican.

[closeupready]

18. Look at whose side the Vatican was on during the Spanish Civil War,

that's always the example that comes to my mind.

[TechBear_Seattle]

20. Let me take a wild guess

Either Cardinal O`Brien's illegitimate son just came out of the closet, or the clergyman's been discovered sampling the local altar boys. I mean, it seems that the loudest voices against gay people are either gay themselves or had a family member "betray" them by "becoming" gay.

[sakabatou]

21. "Divorce ruins more families"

According to a classmate of mine.

[Stepup2]

22. Rev up for 2006

Me thinks he project'ith too much

Might be more instructional if her went back and read on his institution's contributions throughout history

[purduejake]

23. What an inspiring message.

F**k the church.

[NMMNG]

24. These people really ought to get their mental disorders treated

You know, the one that lets them live in the delusional world where gay relationships anhialate straight marriages and families, yet straight divorces, child abuse and single-parent families have no effect on them. :eyes:

[Maat]

25. Yes, they DO live in a delusional world (n/t).

[Sarah Ibarruri]

26. Some of them are uneducated, some stupid, and some evil. nt

[xchrom]

27. well, if a celibate{?}, never been married

closed minded, provincial cardinal says it -- it must be true.
:crazy:

*the question mark was not for spelling.

[jackpan1260]

28. These people need to worry more about what their

priests are doing to young children.

[sui generis]

29. so the premise is that given a choice, people would rather be gay?

:rofl:

Doesn't this cardinal dude think it would be worse to have a gay guy marry a lesbian, or to have two people who don't even love each other get married to preserve their family's fortunes? Or to have one partner in a "traditional" marriage be gay and unhappy, and a lousy husband or wife because of it?

Family is not obscured and distorted. The idea of an ideal traditional family is obscured and distorted.

Remember this was exactly the same speech made when women wanted to start wearing pants and owning property and having their own income. Probably by the same guy.

Without a woman, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen serving the lord and master of the house both day and night, family is being obscured and distorted. Go back to the middle ages where you belong cardinal. The only redeeming thing about all fundamentalist faith is that it is doomed to extinction unless it changes.

Reality marches inexorably onward and will grind the least flexible of these "religious" ideas into shards, to be poked through some thousands of years from now by idle scholars like pottery from a midden heap.