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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:29 AM
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How dare him!
How can this foreign-born Republican governor dare dictate his morality to us in the face of our own elected representatives now approving gay marriage and equality for all, and polls even showing that a majority of Californians may now feel the same way. This is only further proof that democracy in this country, and even in our own state, may be in danger.

If we just sit by and do nothing then out-of-state religious groups will continue their lobbying efforts and endorsement of ballot initiatives that may ban this from ever happening, and perhaps even remove any rights granted to domestic partners.
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rawtribe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 02:47 AM
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1. It's in his blood.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 03:59 AM
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2. all repukes think alike.
even the ones who say they don't.
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mongo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:44 PM
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3. His loyalty is to the party
Rather than the majority of Californians who elected him.

So sorry.
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Isntapundit Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:50 PM
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4. He's pandering
to the only possible base he has left, the far right
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 12:57 PM
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5. Arnie called the California bill "unconstitutional" as well...
which is why he's going to veto it.

Yet the fucker wants it legal so creatures like himself can run for president too.
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dickthegrouch Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-08-05 05:09 PM
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6. Dear Governor,


One of your fellow countrymen led (and I use the word sarcastically) his adopted country into the Holocaust, in part by removing his victims ability to seek redress. YOU are making the same mistake.

If Gays and Lesbians are wholly dependent on the will of the majority we will never be equals.

Our representatives have deemed the will of the people, as expressed in Prop 22, to be offensive to the principle of equality and have sought to correct the situation by passing AB849.

This is supposed to be the Land of the FREE and the home of the BRAVE. Neither you nor I can be either unless both of us are.

Be BRAVE. Give us our FREEdom.

Please Sign AB 849. History will remember your decision.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 02:43 AM
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7. Here is my partner's letter to the governor:

Dear Governor Schwarzenegger,

I am writing to ask you to please change your mind about vetoing the marriage equality bill.

You are choosing the Religious Right's moral indignation over the safety and security of millions of California men, women and children.

You stated a year ago that you would support gay marriage if it was the will of the people. The people's views are reflected in their representatives, and these representatives have passed this law. That's the way our system works. In addition, the latest public polls taken in California show 46% in favor of gay marriage, 46% against it, and 8% who apparently don't care. This clearly means the majority of Californians now either approve or don't care. To veto this bill is to break a promise made on national television.

Your excuse of claiming that Prop 22 invalidates this bill, is in error. Prop 22 has been ruled unconstitutional by both a lower court judge, and a superior court judge. At this point in time it cannot be enforced, and is therefore moot.

You're also claiming that it is the courts who should now decide (yet your own political party is blaming "activist judges" for
forcing gay marriage). By doing this you are now asking for many Californians to put their lives on hold and pray that nothing happens to their partners or children until the Supreme court can eventually get around to it in a few years.

There is no valid argument against allowing same-sex marriages. In fact studies done by the state of California show that it would
have a positive financial effect. Allowing marriage will remove people from state assistance and state funded insurance programs,
and there may be a tremendous tourism boom. If you truly want to lower our state's deficit then you should welcome same-sex marriage.

If nothing else, do it for the children. Marriage is the only institution that can protect the children of same-sex families.
Without these protections, children are often left homeless and emotionally devastated when one parent dies. This is because the
remaining parent has no legal claim to the home, and no legal ties to the child. Oftentimes the child is separated from the surviving
parent, by relatives or social workers, because of prejudice or the resultant financial state of the surviving parent.

How would you feel if your estate did not automatically go to your wife and kids if something happened to you: that a distant
relative of yours would actually have more legal claim to your home than your wife and kids would? This is the fear of every same-sex family in California, and you have the power to fix it.

California was one of the first states in the country to allow interracial marriage. At that time 70% of the pubic opposed it,
and yet our state took a stand and made it law because it was the right thing to do. Signing this bill is the right thing to do, and you know it.

By signing this bill, you will have the unending support of myself, my family, and my community.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 10:28 PM
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12. Great letter!
Edited on Thu Sep-29-05 10:28 PM by Maat
Maybe you can email it to him also.

This PFLAGer emailed and telephoned.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 12:53 AM
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13. Hi Maat...
the letter was emailed previously, as I understand were 10,000s of other messages.

Arnold is apparently gambling by appealing to the religious right, which is much more predominant outside of the state of California. I certainly hope the tabulation systems in California are working more accurately by the next election.
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Maat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 09:29 AM
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14. Yes ... rumors are that our machines went in his favor the first time.
Hope that he didn't cheat like that.

But the second I heard he had met with Rove - and this was BEFORE his "election," I went to myself, "Oh, that's what this is about. Ol' Rove fixing things for him."

So, we know that he has always been beholden to Rove, and the Bushies' base.

Very sad. I wanted so much more for California.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-30-05 04:23 PM
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15. I have to admit....
I also had hopes that Arnold would be a different breed of Republican, but as soon as I heard he was Rove's pick for CA governor it shattered my hopes for him as well.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-09-05 05:25 PM
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8. "Where's the Governator Now?"
Is Schwarzeneggar really an unfeeling machine sent here to destroy our future?

Nobody says it better than in one of today's NYT editorial:

"...The Legislature is hardly a renegade body if it roughly mirrors popular opinion.

Mr. Schwarzenegger also seems to have forgotten that this nation was founded as a republic, in which the citizens elect legislators to govern on their behalf. Such representative democracy is especially important when it comes to protecting the fundamental rights of minorities, who may face bigoted hostility from some segments of the electorate..."

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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-10-05 03:51 PM
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9. it's time to get those Maplethorpe pictures
out and about
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-12-05 03:28 PM
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10. This is an interesting web page....
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-29-05 08:39 PM
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11. We'll be back!! n/t
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