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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:15 PM Original message |
Can we come up with arguments for LGBT civil rights that do not rely on images from the |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
1. I disagree that they should be seperate |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. All human beings deserve the same rights. That's the whole point. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
3. Every AA that I know IRL |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I know black people with the opposite view entirely, unfortunately. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. and those people (and their white counterparts) |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Well, that's how I know one couple--their favorite child (my old friend) |
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Ms. Toad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. As to the last three, perhaps |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:21 PM Response to Original message |
7. I can tell you what I say when I'm called out on it. "You're right." |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I wish you had left off your last line. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I fixed it. How about now? |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. You're right but there is also a dynamic in play which needs to be dispelled. |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Thanks for the edit |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:30 AM Response to Reply #15 |
43. Great discussion. imdjh's post #7 is brilliant (didn't see before edit) |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. Mildred Loving's opinion varies from yours, or whoever's |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Because they think it's "demeaning" to be compared to our struggle |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Of course |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
16. Why are we placing the onus on ourselves? |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. Many Leaders of the 50's Civil Rights Movement, Including Coretta Scott King |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
18. Let's go back in history about 10 years. |
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cecilfirefox (404 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Matthew Shephard was never immolated. Just beaten into a coma he never woke from. :/ nt |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
20. My bad... I could have sworn I remembered hearing he had been burned as well |
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:24 AM Response to Reply #19 |
55. Clinton Scott Risetter was. So was Seaman August Provost |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
21. The pink triangle and Pride flag are images that are exclusive to the LGBT movement. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. I think the larger point |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I don't take issue with comparing both movements and looking at the similarities. |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:08 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. delete. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #30 |
41. wow, Jack... |
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JackBeck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-21-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. We've known each other online for a couple of years, bliss_eternal. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:03 AM Response to Reply #30 |
42. Well that's all I was suggesting |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 03:37 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. here's a few of the article links: |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #30 |
53. Separate Water Fountains Are the PERFECT Metaphor For Civil Unions |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 03:02 AM Response to Original message |
22. One of the difficulties |
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cboy4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
23. Nice drive by OP |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
24. Why? I'm all for using as many arguments as apply, so |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
26. I will not surrender to homophobia |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #26 |
45. you know better |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 12:44 PM Response to Original message |
27. Why? |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
28. While we're at it |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. . |
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Neecy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
29. Like it or not.... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. "Passing" |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Classic blame-the-victim mentality |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. They're always so big on personal responsibility, |
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:30 AM Response to Reply #31 |
56. Many light-skinned blacks "passed" as whites to avoid bigotry.... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
32. No, those comparisons are legitimate. nt |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. In the eyes of many AAs apparently those comparisons are not legitimate. |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 08:40 PM Response to Original message |
36. I always thought the experience of Jews in Europe was a more... |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I agree |
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Smarmie Doofus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. It's beside the point that some Jews and some AAs... |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-19-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. That's good. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
44. You make a very good point (also read your other post) |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 12:57 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. "This is also a clear indication of the misogyny so common in homophobia." |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-20-09 01:11 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. What?! |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
51. We'll use whatever works, and that would be everything and anything |
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Sandaasu (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-22-09 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
52. That imagery is important to making our case effectively. |
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WillParkinson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:39 AM Response to Original message |
54. Sorry, that's just silly... |
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Deep13 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
57. Why would you surrender your best argument? |
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