A plurality of DU ranks equal rights as their least important issue

[FLAprogressive]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5862550

Apparently the news media is much more important.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

1. Disgusting.

The screennames should be made public. :mad:

[LostinVA]

22. Check PM

[Uben]

2. 53 votesout of 141,000?

I don't think so. I don't do polls. They are not scientific and are not a reflection of DU as a whole.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

4. DU has 4-5k active posters

That number includes posters who have been TS'd BEFORE their first post even.

[Uben]

11. Insignificant

Just because a few people decided to vote in this poll and make equal rights THEIR least important issue, does in no way constitute the plurality of DU. You can't stretch it that far....even with the wildest of imaginations! Now, had the OP stated that is was the plurality of those who chose to participate in the poll, he would be correct. And, it is not surprising, to me at least, that a number of them chose it as their least important issue. I just see it for what it is......53 people voiced an opinion when they were asked. They do not speak for the majority, just themselves. Period!

FWIW, I am very much for equal rights and the full legalization of gay marriage. I do think it is a travesty that there is still so much opposition to it. But, that is my opinion, and I do not speak for the majority, either. I don't like others speaking for me any more than I like speaking for others.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

21. It's a fairly large statistical sample.

50-odd people out of 5,000 regular posters is 1%. Gallup polls frequently poll about 1,000 people out of millions, far less than 1%.

[Uben]

26. Statistical but not scientific....

....therefore insignificant. Who is to say that 50% of those who participated are not homophobes? A lot of people, like myself, do not participate in these polls for that exact reason. It's no different than CNN having a call in poll. Those with an agenda are quick to participate, and others who are really not interested do not. The sample you get in no way represents any known group because their bias is unknown. We may very well have had 23 trolls voting in that poll. You don't know, I don't know, no one does.

I just don't like people to classify the plurality of DU by the results of a poll that is in no way controlled. If you don't like the results, I suggest giving up on the poll approach. It tells you absolutely nothing except that there are some people who disagree with your POV.

[Ian David]

3. I'd vote, but I'm "ignoring the author of that thread." n/t

[Cant trust em]

5. I see why this poll got locked, but it does present an interesting question

Part of governing is prioritizing major initiatives. I see the factors that go into this as:

1. Amount of political will/political capital to take something on
2. Possible political ramifications
3. Internal capacity to do the work
4. Desire to control media narrative behind an issue

Anything else?

[Duncan Grant]

6. There is no homophobia at DU.

edit: Fuck this place. I'm outta here for awhile.

[AntiFascist]

10. Homophobia aside...

it has become obvious at DU that if we and our allies don't fight hard for our rights, then nobody else is going to be doing it for us.

[indigo32]

37. yup - nt

[jonnyblitz]

7. no surprise. nt

[Vinnie From Indy]

8. Really?

Are you sure enough about that to make such a definitive statement?

[QC]

9. I think the poll should have remained open. People need to see the truth

about what this place has become in the past couple of years.

[jonnyblitz]

14. I agree. nt

[QC]

15. Over in GD, nice, sincere people are expressing nice, sincere surprise

about that poll.

I was not surprised at all.

If they had any idea how bad things have been here since fall 2007, they would not be surprised either.

[jonnyblitz]

19. I saw. nt

[NMMNG]

12. Fuck them

If they consider our rights so insignificant then why the hell should we bother with them? How many times must we be marginalized by them before we understand they're no better than the Republicans; they're just more subtle about their hatred of us? They want our votes, money and support but other than that they just want us to STFU and stay out of their way. I know my wife and I are tired of the abuse and I imagine many others are.

[stray cat]

13. If it is the most important issue - we should vote Cheney in 2012.

He is the most progressive on the issue - it makes sense to vote for him if that is the sole issue one cares about.

[QC]

16. Do you people ever get tired of posting the same inane bullshit over and over? n/t

[unhappycamper30]

34. I love when the bigots make it easy to spot them. My ignore list is filling up. Thanks! NT

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

17. *yawn*

Shoo.

[QC]

18. I guess the folks back at the compound haven't sent out the new talking points yet. n/t

[bluedawg12]

53. The same tired flaccide attempt at brow beating us. Bully for bullies. n/t

[EFerrari]

20. You're not only stray, you're lost.

[LostinVA]

23. What poutrage!

[xchrom]

24. there's new shirtless pics of obama on tmz -- hurry over!

what would shirtless pics of obama BE without your eyes on them?

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[xchrom]

30. you got a google -- play with it yourself, sgolder. nt

[Name removed]

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[NMMNG]

25. Here's a clue--I'll even give it to you for free.

We have all the same problems and concerns the rest of you do, plus we have the added issue of not having equal rights. To you that's "one issue" but trust me, it isn't.


Full size chart and details

[Starbucks Anarchist]

27. Do we come to where you are and knock the pork rinds out of your mouth?

[LostinVA]

41. I would hav eto have a torrid affiar with you if I wasn't gay

For that comment alone!

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. fuck you, you belittling ass.

[Smarmie Doofus]

51. He IS the most progressive on this issue.

And that says something about OUR party. Or at least our party's RW .


Think about it.

[Name removed]

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[NMMNG]

32. "Screechers"?

Yeah, you support equality like David Duke stands for racial harmony.

[mitchtv]

35. shit , I missed the strait knuckledraggers posts

that got deleted. Oh well, that proves there are no phobes here

[QC]

36. It was the guy who gets tombstoned every day.

He signs up and immediately looks for the gay threads, where he accuses everyone of racism.

You know, that guy.

[NMMNG]

38. Hell,

That could be any number of people. :shrug:

[QC]

39. True, some of them longtime active posters.

Like the one who was recently banned from this forum after trolling it for months.

[LostinVA]

40. Damn! I missed him!

[jonnyblitz]

42. so did I. sometimes the mods are just too efficient. nt

[QC]

43. This time he was called cauliflower and didn't even make it to 20 posts.

[LostinVA]

44. Wait -- I DID see him!

[jonnyblitz]

45. oh HIM. he was a piece of work and quite the Obama fan. nt

[closeupready]

46. What would be just poetically would be if

the 45 of those who voted 'homosexual rights' as least important gave birth to gay or lesbian children, like the next Walt Whitman or Martina Navratilova.

But I would, of course, never wish such a parent or family on someone I consider a kindred spirit.

So I guess you really can't win sometimes.

[Meldread]

47. Holy Crap. That is some thread necromancy. :P

What compelled you to dig out a thread all the way back from last June?

[closeupready]

48. Did a search on someone here on the advice of someone else, and

found this interesting thread to which I never responded in the first place. :)

[RetiredTrotskyite]

49. Typical

ANYTHING is more important than our issues.

[sui generis]

50. it's not homophobia. It's apathy.

And self-centered thinking. They got theirs, so who cares about anyone else's. Republicans do that - pull the ladder up after themselves.

I'll bet you if you ran a Prop 8 Version 2 that took away THEIR rights to marry, they would suddenly place equal rights at the top of their agenda.

I just hope they remember when it's time to put aside our differences and work together to round up the vote that we will have more important things to do.

[Smarmie Doofus]

52. Interesting. Troubling. Somewhat surprising.

It DOES explain why there is so little sustained interest in our issues on the part of President Transformational, the DNC, and such.

Too bad they can't seem to see anything in it for themselves. I always thought that a core DEM principle was that inequality was *everybody's* business.

We live; we learn.

[foreigncorrespondent]

54. Locked now!

This is the first I have been on DU for a day or so... and found it locked, otherwise I would have said something.

Doesn't surprise me though with all the bullshit that has been happening around here of late.

[Ian David]

55. Can't read it. "You are ignoring the author of this thread." n/t

[TexasObserver]

56. I've never seen the linked thread, but it's a tiny voting sample.

There were only something like 23 votes in the "gay rights" choice, and while that plurality is disappointing, it was a very small poll by DU standards.

However, it is evidence that there is a small, but loud, obnoxious contingent of posters here who seem to be completely unsupportive of gay rights. Some of the worst get tombstoned, but I'm sure there will always be sock puppet accounts of the worst offenders who vote their bigotry.

However, it's a damn shame gays at DU have to tolerate such dismissal right here at DU.

[Smarmie Doofus]

57. I'm wondering why it was locked.

The mod said it was 'flame-bait."

I'm thinking that it was just plain embarrassing.