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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 02:31 PM
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Stupid Questions
Jon was a "Queen"

As a junior in college I had never seen anything like it. Growing up in Spokane I was seduced in high school by an activist friend I had met who surprisingly had moved there to be the President of a conservative Presbyterian college. "Those liberal colleges don't need another liberal, you can have greater impact here".

Growing up in a waspy suburban home we never talked about "queens" "gays" or even sex of any kind.

It was a surrealistic world of asexual reproduction. When the mechanics of sex were explained to me during the obligatory 7th grade father son talk my (very kind) father responded to my "eeewww" with a "good, its good you don't like it too much.""Why?""Guys who like it too much force themselves on women, its called rape".

My mother's only indication that she was aware of anything sexual is that one time in high school when walking down town we were passed with a women who was not wearing a bra, and my mother whistled "Getting to know you" from the King and I. It was literally the only time in my life that I ever experienced my mom whistling, making a sexual reference or being that funny.

So no I didn't know what a "Queen" was, but that is what he called himself.

In a bizarre experiment of eccumenical zeitgeist the Hollywood Presbyterian Church decided to send 4 very intelligent young adults who were estranged from their families and had no chance for higher education to the very well academically respected but culturally arachaic Presbyterian College that they had sent many of their own children to.

The resulting slow motion car wreck of watching 3 African Americans and 1 Gay Man to be frustrated and overwhelmed by this alternate reality was something that I could observe closely. They moved the AA into a dorm with mostly AA and Jon in the room next to me. All became my good friends.

I had never seen anyone like him. He kept dying his hair different shades of red and orange. He wore bright shirts with flowers. He wore light make up and terrific clothes that were always well ironed.

He also possessed a sharp mind, a great wit and an acid tongue.

His limp was wrist, his gait sashayed and he called himself a "queen".

Of course I asked stupid questions. Of course you could ask Jon what time it is and he would make you look stupid.

But he never did that. His acid tongue was always in recounting some terrific late night encounter at the gay bar where he commanded a quick following.

He patiently answered questions. I think I reminded him of somebody in his background because he also originally came from a conservative area. Most of the time they just tickled him. I can still here the laughter at "How do you feel about being the only gay here". I thought he was going to laugh up a lung.

I still recall asking it. I hate telling you about it. It still makes my eyes tear up.

"Why don't you try to change?"

He was in my room and he just seemed to deflate as he told me of his repeated suicide attempts and he just wept at the pain of it all. "Do you think that anyone would choose this?" I would like to think that the suicide attempts were fiction and that he was just weeping because a person whom he now loved had asked him such a stupid question. I would hate it if both were true, the latter is hard enough.

After the pretense of him actually going to classes had ended and he was just waiting to the end of the term to return to the world of hair dressing I would bundle up some food from lunch and knock on his door and he would eventually come over for his breakfast and he would recount the battles at the club he went to last night. It would slip out that now that he was in his 30's he was getting edged out of being the youngest brightest light and he faced an uncertain future. He would talk about finding the right guy, maybe a big truck driver.

"There are truck drivers that are gay?"

I learned alot from Jon.

The most important thing is that I learned how to ask basic questions in unfamiliar situations without making them stupid questions. "Why are you so flamboyant?" would become "What do you feel and what do you say to someone who wonders why you are so flamboyant?".

Oddly that skill would become valuable when after leaving college I spent 20 years escaping the suffocation I had growing up with living in Asia going from hill tribes to meeting North Vietnmaese Communist leaders shortly after their victory. Jon ended up being a useful mental companion when I lived in Islamic countries or talked with long time residents of illegal immigrant jails.

And so yesterday I was reminded of my own stupid questions and the gentle sweet friend who was so patient. Even in the begining I recognized the flamboyance as a defense mechanism of a very sweet guy. I like to think that's why he liked me.

I lost track of everyone I went to school with, most of us obviously don't share a lot in common. Even most of the "liberals" at college folded intellectually after Seminary and sell a very cheap grace from the pulpits they now command. (I admire Cizik for standing up and when it really counted being as honest as he could - he was the token liberal I replaced.)

I don't remember Jon's last name. I am not sure I ever even knew it. So I can't trace or google him.

But the calculus is there late 70's, proud attractive gay man, promiscuity.

So last night as I was drifting to sleep and still giggling about all the funny threads I would keep thinking of my friend who helped me so much.

All I could think of was that quilt.

Do I miss him? Can I barely see this screen now that I think about him?


Now that is a stupid fucking question.



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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 02:48 PM
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1. delighted to add vote 5
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 02:57 PM
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2. Beautiful.....
You reminded me of Tony, a friend from my freshman year in 1972. Sadly I know how his story ended. Hope life was kinder to Jon.

Thank you.
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 03:02 PM
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3. Whoa...
Edited on Thu Jan-15-09 03:05 PM by ThomCat
:cry:

So many friends past and gone...

So many stories...

Thank you.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 03:29 PM
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4. fab
all that and a Hollywood Presbyterian reference to boot!
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 03:35 PM
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5. That was beautiful.
:cry:
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 04:04 PM
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6. What a beautiful post.
He sounds like one hell of a guy. :hug:
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 06:50 PM
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7. Wow
That was lovely, thank you.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 07:06 PM
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8. That was such a bittersweet story
it touched my heart. He sounds like a really gutzy man and you were lucky to know each other.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 07:29 PM
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9. great read. thanks for taking the time to post it here.
:hi:
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 09:06 PM
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10. +27
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ThomCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 11:56 PM
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18. Yeah. I've come back and reread it at least that many times.
I wish I could write half that well about a few people and what they taught me. Can you imagine the collected wisdom we've got in this forum?
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 07:13 AM
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24. it would make proust envious. nt
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 09:40 PM
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11. Well done. K&R.
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mrs_p Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 09:57 PM
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12. this may be my favorite post ever
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 01:33 AM
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20. thank you and the others on the thread for your very kind response
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webDude Donating Member (830 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 10:05 PM
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13. Thank you.
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 10:20 PM
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14. Wow. Beautiful and sad story.
And you seem to have had a very interesting career too. Thanks for this OP.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 11:07 PM
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15. A touching, and more important challenging OP there, grantcart
n/t.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 11:26 PM
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16. K&R
Thanks my friend.

:hug:
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 11:55 PM
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17. Thanks for the uplift.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:42 AM
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19. Beautiful Post!
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 02:17 AM
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21. It would seem that asking stupid questions ...
... sometimes results in beautiful, heartfelt answers.

My of-the-moment teary-eyed state is not about what was, but what is yet to be - thanks to people like you.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 11:50 AM
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27. Thanks for stopping by and for all that you share with us - even when times are tough
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ClayZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 03:46 AM
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22. I love this post!
K and R
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 05:20 AM
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23. Grantcart...
:hug:


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Dystopian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 07:25 AM
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25. KandR. Beautiful post...Thank you. n/t
peace~
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 08:09 AM
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26. .
:cry: Beautiful. Thank you for posting this.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:17 PM
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28. This is a good post. Thank you. You make a good point.
I get crabby about the "stupid questions" sometimes because lately they seem to be mean-spirited, but your story is a reminder that not all questions come from the desire to hurt or demean. Some of them are really questions.

Thanks.
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Glorfindel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 02:20 PM
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29. Very beautiful story - thank you
n/t
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 02:36 PM
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30. Beautiful
Thank you for posting. How I love all my gay friends. Your post made me want to call them and just give them a big, electronic, telephonic hug.

You too.

:hug:
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 02:54 PM
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31. Bookmarked
Would you mind me linking to this beautiful post, and sharing it with friends (non DU'ers)?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 06:29 PM
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33. of course not, and thank you for your kind reply
Edited on Fri Jan-16-09 06:30 PM by grantcart
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 06:08 PM
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32. Beautiful.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 09:53 PM
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34. Thank you
I wish I'd seen this in time to rec it. I had to force back tears, because I read this at work.
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Cherchez la Femme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 01:58 PM
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35. Too late to R
ecstatic to :kick:!
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 03:00 PM
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36. Wow. Just wow.
:cry:

I've heard all my life that the only stupid question is the one that isn't asked. What a wonderful story you've shared how a young friend gave you a safe space to let your mind open itself to possibilities in human experience.

I read this in the deep middle of the night, while I was up tending the fireplace, keeping my beloved and our doggies warm. As wistful tears threatened to leak from my eyes, a little bit of shame hit me at the same time. There are times I wish I had had Jon's patience. People can say some insensitive things without meaning to be insensitive at all, and looking back I wish I might have followed Jon's example a time or two more often. I have a southern hillbilly's smart mouth and occasionally it gets away from me.

There is such a thing as a stupid question in response to a question asked out of a vacuum of information, or a question asked because someone is trying to reconcile what they see against the horseshit they've heard. To wit:

Them: "You don't look/act/sound/whatever gay".
Me: WTF? We're all just alike? We have three heads and eight eyes? WTF does "sound/act/look/whatever" gay mean? No, I flunked out of gay school. I didn't have enough Green Stamps for the toaster.

Not everyone realizes that we're not a monolithic, monochromatic group. There are times I wish I'd been more of an educator and ambassador than a smartass.

Them: "Are you sure?"
Me: (any number of smartass comebacks)

Not everyone realizes that there isn't some "shining moment" where we wake up and suddenly think, "Y'know? This hetero thing isn't working out so well. I think I'll opt for a life of second-class citizenship, verbal abuse, discrimination, being fired/beaten/turned out of my home/whatever. Yeah! That's the ticket!!" I wish that a time or two I'd been a little more patient.

There are a hundred more, at least. But right now I need to contemplate on a true amendment of purpose.

Even old dogs can learn a new thing or two, even from a ghost from the past.

Thanks for sharing.

You put Good in the world today.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 06:16 PM
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38. Thank you for your thoughtful response

Jon wasn't a patient saint and he let a lot of people have it.


What we had was an honest moment. Martin Buber's "I thou" image.


He was patient with me because I never saw him as a 'Gay Man', but as Jon.


So I am not advocating being patient with stupid questions because most of them are a cover for something else. There is in a lot of America a force for conformity that relies on stupid questions, "I have nothing against _________ but why do they have to be so different". (Also asking that question in 1974 is stupid but asking it in 2009 would be mind numbingly neandrathalic.)


But if someone asks an honest question that happens to be stupid then something good may be possible.
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HillWilliam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 10:35 PM
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39. I've never been under the illusion of saints on earth
but I do believe that people do serve occasionally to function as angels. What I mean by that is that as you look back upon life, there are folks who drifted through, like a butterfly, added color, dropped a lesson on you, then floated on when their teaching or their duty was done. It's our job to take that bit of light and run with it.

My partner calls that "pay forward". It's really a cool concept. There are some gifts you get along the way you can never pay back, but somehow (and when you least expect it, even without your own knowledge or conscious doing) you can pass that bit of light on.

When I read your OP, you did that for me. Jon did his job and we both celebrated. Wherever he his, his karma increased because your paid forward. Very cool stuff.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-18-09 02:55 PM
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40. I agree and very well said
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-17-09 03:18 PM
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37. very moving
Thank you, grantcart.
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