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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:23 PM
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Legal Pot in California in 2010? "Oaksterdam" Provides the Model
There is a buzz moving through the culture, as the public attitudes around cannabis use are rapidly shifting, that the legalization of marijuana in some states, particularly California, is a growing possibility.

Recent polling by Zogby in May demonstrated that a majority of Americans, say it "makes sense to tax and regulate" marijuana. The Zogby poll, commissioned by the conservative-oriented O'Leary Report, found 52 percent in favor of legalization, only 37 percent opposed. As Ryan Grim reports on the Huffington Post , a previous ABC News/Washington Post poll found 46 percent in support. In California, a Field Poll found 56 percent backing legalization and as a result California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger called for an open debate on legalization, all which suggest that American society may be reaching a tipping point when it comes to legal pot.

An array of new circumstances -- Democrats in power, economic recession leaving states starving for revenue that could come from taxing cannabis sales, less funds for law enforcement and Mexican drug operatives moving into the US to grow huge amounts of untaxed pot, contributing to the horrible drug violence South of the Border -- support the growing public support for legalization of pot.

Anther element perhaps pushing changes to our pot laws is the gaggle of strange bed fellows who are outspoken on the issue. Former Secretary of State George Shultz and the late conservative economist Milton Friedman have been for legalization for years. But recently Fox News' latest conservative wild man Glenn Beck and CNN's much more reasonable Jack Cafferty have publicly questioned the billions spent each year fighting the endless war against drugs. They are joining the growing chorus that suggest it now makes more financial and social sense to tax and regulate marijuana.

At the epicenter of legal pot talk and strategic political action is Richard Lee, a highly successful pot entrepreneur, who over the past decade has turned the "uptown" entertainment area of downtown Oakland, California into what many call Oaksterdam, a play on Amsterdam, their sister city in Holland. A centerpiece of the Oakland transformation is Oaksterdam University which Lee founded to prepare people for jobs in the cannabis industry. As he told MSNBC, "my basic idea is to professionalize the industry, and have it taken seriously just like beer and distilling hard liquor." The University, along with half a dozen other "cannabis businesses," controlled by Lee bring thousands of visitors to Oakland daily.

http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/140642/legal_pot_in_california_in_2010_%22oaksterdam%22_provides_the_model/
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Royal Sloan 09 Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:35 PM
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1. K & R,
Richard Lee's right! He's got the right idea and has been active in the legalization of Cannabis for many years, along with multiple others, ;-) . The Oaksterdam University has a forum for those that want more information check it out, www.oaksterdam.com

:kick:

The solution = Legalize it!


Yes, WE Cannabis! :smoke: :bounce:
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:43 PM
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2. Ask the cops who gives more probs...drinkers or tokers.. the answer is in the weeds
:smoke:
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Flaneur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 02:26 AM
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3. Richard Lee is preparing a legalization initiative for 2010.
It's causing some consternation at NORML and MPP, who fear it is premature and that a loss would crush momentum.

Read about after 10am Friday at www.stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:59 PM
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4. I hope he does it
The time is now....

We have a president who says it should be decided by the states. He can change the federal law with a pen stroke.

If CA can legalize in 2010 the federal law will fall, and it will become a state by state issue.

And politicians are more desperate for new tax monies than in my entire 50 years of being around.

You folks in CA really need to get this done in 2010, or there's no telling how long we'll have to wait.

Obama may not get reelected.
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Imperfect World Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:39 PM
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8. Unfortunately, he broke that campagin promise, which was my favorite of his.
TxRider stated: "We have a president who says it should be decided by the states. He can change the federal law with a pen stroke."

Yes, with one simple executive order, he could call off all federal arrest and prosecution of people who grow, sell, possess, and use medical marijuana in states where it's legal, such as California. He did promise that when he was campaigning. Unfortunately, more than half a year into his presidency, the DEA raids are still going on. Makes me really glad I voted for Mike Gravel.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:42 PM
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10. But if CA legalizes for recreational use
Edited on Thu Sep-03-09 03:44 PM by TxRider
It will force the issue, either the feds will smack down CA, or Obama will leave it to the states federally.

In other words, this CA proposal, if it makes the ballot and passes, could be the final nail in the coffin for federal pot prohibition by pushing the issue to confrontation of state vs federal law.

And with Obama in charge, I believe federal law will fold without a fight if the issue is forced.

After that states will eyeball the tax revenue CA gains and legalize elsewhere as well.
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piratefish08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-22-09 01:53 PM
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9. I agree - it can happen now due to the shit economy - CA needs the revenue now more than ever
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-14-09 06:54 AM
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6. It should be timed to coincide with Jim Webbs report on prison reform.
That should be out about this time next year.
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libguy9560 Donating Member (52 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:33 PM
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5. It'd be great when that happens
Which will happen, sooner or later.
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Imperfect World Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-21-09 04:20 PM
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7. I've never smoked marijuana....
.... but I think it's really stupid to put people in jail for doing so.

Unfortunately, even if California does legalize it, the 2005 U.S. Supreme Court decision Gonzales v. Raich ruled that federal marijuana laws take precedence over any state laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich
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AmEricanGirl79 Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 04:32 PM
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11. Upcoming Documentary
Kevin Booth is releasing a new documentary in October called "How Weed Won the West" which focuses on California's marijuana industry. Booth is also the director of 2007's excellent film "American Drug War: The Last White Hope" and is the founder of Sacred Cow Productions. The film has a number of interviews with activists, including Ethan Nadelmann, Claudia Jensen, Cele Castillo, and Ricky Ross. For more details, check out sacredcow.com
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bamacrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-08-09 07:26 PM
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12. If it is legalized in California would that force the fed govt to act?
How could they continue to arrest people when the people of a state legalize it? I know fed law trumps state but it would force them to legalize it or at least remove federal restrictions and leave it up to the states to decide.
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