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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 06:52 PM Original message |
Can a person be "pro-choice" yet be for restrictions on access? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 06:54 PM Response to Original message |
1. in my opinion, definitely NOT pro-choice |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 06:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. rubbish |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:01 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Yes, it does exactly that. Black is not white. You are anti-reproductive rights. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. that's as stupid as saying |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Define "woman" please. What do you consider nec to be called a "woman"? |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. if she shot someone with a gun she didn't own legally, then he'd think she was an adult. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:02 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. not really |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
33. depends on the case |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. You define "woman" as being of a specific age, depending upon a specific activity. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. i am using it analogously to minor v. adult |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Then you should use "minor" vs "woman". First is legal term, typically defined by age, second is |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. like many things, it can't be defined precisely |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. The law draws age lines for "minor", not for "woman". |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. imo, age IS an issue |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Should "parental rights" trump a pregnant 13 yr old's right to an abortion? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Exactly! |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:58 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. that's your opinion not mine |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. So then yes, you are saying "parental rights" trump a pregnant 13 yr old's right to an abort |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:02 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. i didn't say that |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:06 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. If she doesn't want to notify her parents, yes, they have forced her to bear |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:15 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. false |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Those laws are unnecessary for stable and supportive families, and they are ineffective and cruel |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. you can quote the ACLU all ya want |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:24 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Again, the young women who aren't talking to their parents don't because they aren't SAFE to do it. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:26 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. and that's not true in all cases |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Lollipops and gumdrops. Unicorns and rainbows. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. facts and circumstances |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:32 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Ever have an unwanted pregnancy? Ever help an emotionally and physically abused teen find care |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:35 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. exactly. facts and circumstances |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. I get it. You're a man and a cop to boot, |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. i get it |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:40 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. Ah... so FUCK protecting the young women, your parental control fetish takes precedence. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. you may think minors should have all the rights of adults |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:47 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Histrionics? Funny coming from a guy who waltzed into the Choice forum to discuss how he restricts |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:50 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. i don't restrict anything |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:52 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. a cop who complains about a forum "marching in lockstep" about a law. Funny guy. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #82 |
87. which law? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. The law about access to abortions. Duh. |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. You want to restrict the choice of young women of reproductive age. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 01:44 AM Response to Reply #84 |
92. in your opinion |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Good thing those parental rights don't outweigh a pregnant person's right to an abortion. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-26-10 01:47 AM Response to Reply #77 |
93. i like this state too |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Ever deal with a pregnant 13 yr old who was terrified parents would find out? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:34 PM Response to Reply #61 |
67. In which case the doctor reports to police and they take it over. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. except the doctor doesn't in many cases |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:38 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Proof of that assertion is needed. Otherwise is simply an opinion. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. proof of WHAT assertion? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:49 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. "except the doctor doesn't in many cases". |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. a 13 yr old who is pregnant is not "child abuse" under the mandatory reporting laws |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. a 13 yr old who is pregnant by a 50 yr old is. My you are getting uncivil now. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:57 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. i said in that case |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:58 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. But you think she should tell her parents she is pregnant because "they" will |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:00 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. But it's ok for a parent to force a 13 year-old to carry and deliver a baby? |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. i didn't say that either |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You live in an alternate universe. A land of lollipops and gumdrops. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. i live in a world where there is rule of law, |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:08 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. Mandatory notification means no right to an abortion without notifying |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:16 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. no, it's not |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:13 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. An ACLU briefing paper states: |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:17 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. thank you |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:19 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Yes they do. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. that;s great |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. And most medical groups, and the ACLU and compassionate opinion. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. if your daughter wants you to know, she will tell you. if she has to be FORCED |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. +1,000...n/t |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. that's irrelevant |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Your naivety would be cute if it weren't so harmful. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. this is not about my kids |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:17 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Yes, we are mandatory reporters for child and elder abuse. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. for the purposes of abortion |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. You define "woman" as being of a specific age, depending upon a specific activity. |
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peacebird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. exactly. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-28-10 06:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
95. Most girls do tell a parent, and are often accompanied by one for the procedure. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I am waiting for your definition of "woman". Funny your equating reproductive health care with |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:02 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. and if her parent is the father of her fetus? you want to tell him then? |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Exactly! |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. no. and states that have laws that allow surrogate |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. You may not think a 13 yr old "should" be able to make this decision, but they actually can and do. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. and in many states there is mandatory notification in such instances |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. and they aren't a vessel for some jerk's seed either n/t |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. No way. |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. that;s your opinion |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 08:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. No, it's fucking reality. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
2. Those kinds of restrictions? |
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katandmoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. No. |
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David__77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. In those cases, they oppose reprodutive rights. |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
17. I just visited the Choice Topic Forum... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. yeah, there is a reason for |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:16 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Wow... |
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radical noodle (88 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
23. Of course it's not pro-choice |
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rocktivity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
28. If you want to wait, get permission, or watch an ultrasound, go right ahead |
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PeaceNikki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:43 PM Response to Original message |
75. No. I support removing ALL restrictions. Women and their doctors can be trusted. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
83. Who is to say what a person can believe? The arrogance to think for everyone else in the world |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-24-10 09:54 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. What? Asking for opinions is "think for everyone else in the world"? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-28-10 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
94. If a person thinks abortions should be possible only with the Consent of someone else, |
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Bradical79 (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-02-10 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
96. Honestly, I don't think either or those make much sense. |
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