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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:02 PM Original message |
About Father's Rights Pertaining to Choice and Child Support. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 10:33 PM Response to Original message |
1. Laws that give a man the right of "choice" are a dangerous slippery slope. |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-16-09 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. It is a double standard which I endorse... |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:44 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. For reproduction, the contributions of the two sexes are not biologically equal. |
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Lost in CT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 12:51 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. well I was referring to the double standard that a man has to take care of a |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. The baby is the only one with no choice. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:32 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Sorry I misunderstood, and you have that point. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:21 AM Response to Original message |
5. A quicker reason: he owes the financial support to the CHILD, not to the mother. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 01:33 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. I made that and other points. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. And you did a great job. Thanks. n/t |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-17-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. You're welcome, and ty for the compliment. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. That is the big factor people overlook. Child support is for the child, not the other parent. |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. But |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #20 |
22. "I never fault anyman for walkig away and not being a father to some child he didn't want " |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
11. You can also look at child support in terms of liability law |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-20-09 06:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. A liability case is totally something else. |
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caseymoz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-21-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Did I massacre that first sentence! |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-23-09 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
15. "She bore him 7 sons in 7 years" |
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HockeyMom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-27-09 04:41 PM Response to Original message |
16. No man have ever died from complications |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-11-09 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
17. Men should |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-12-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Personal responsibility = pro-life crap? huh |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. There is no personal responsibility |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Not a valid comparison. |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. He should |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. "It's not his fault he's a father". Yes, it is. HE chose to risk it by having sex. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 05:30 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. we live in liberal democracies |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 01:15 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. This |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 09:54 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. silly babble |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. Thank you iverglas. |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. "His penis isn't there solely for making single mothers out of babycrazed women." |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. vasectomy? I'd need testicles for that |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Good grief."How do you validate or justify killing something with a heartbeat to avoid parenthood"?? |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. .. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Pre Roe v Wade "even when abortion was illegal " and no, you could not always get one |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 10:59 AM Response to Reply #30 |
31. TO save the life of the mother |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. "cosmetic abortions"? What. The. Fuck? It depends on where you were |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. WTF |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. i thought YOU were a male |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 02:03 AM Response to Reply #37 |
43. It is pretty wild, isn't it. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. making no comment on this specific situation ... |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. Ding! Ding! Ding! "ladies auxiliary to the men's rights movement" n/t |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 01:55 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. A woman SHOULD get an abortion if the sperm contributor says to. Oh kay. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. "why are cosmetic abortions free" |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. ick |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. "Neither will I understand the notion behind ... free birth control." |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 02:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. You are outing yourself with "cosmetic abortion" talk. "Cosmetic (social) abortions"? |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Clueless ? How? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-14-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Uppity is definitely a female |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 12:53 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Deleted message |
uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 01:58 AM Response to Reply #35 |
42. You are not making much sense. Your sentences run on and don't have a point. Try again. |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #42 |
47. ??????? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. you need to listen better |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Ok |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. You continue to mix responsibility with punishment, now with some feminism bs |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. No |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 02:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. Strawman. Child support and visitation are 2 entirely different things. |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 08:46 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. .... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. You don't know that child support and visitation are different things? omg |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. .............. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I am glad you know the difference as your post indicated you didn't and were confused |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #73 |
85. In that case |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. i'd be willing to bet current hubby has kids from previous marriage... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. I've been thinking along that line also. Now "he has to support her" |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 08:49 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Can you comprehend? |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 08:47 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. LMAOOO!!! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 08:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Of course you wouldn't honey, because then he would have to give money to that child rather than you |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Oh Please |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 09:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. if you're not really a man, |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. ??? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. okay, so maybe you're Mrs. Tom Leykis. |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #72 |
86. What?? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. you're so disingenuous |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. And you are |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. you're pathetic |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. i read about this all the time on the verbal abuse support message board i frequent |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. or c |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. "Women who are above the poverty line, |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:52 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. LMAO |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Strawman. No one said "if you dont want to be a parent keep your legs closed" |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:56 AM Response to Reply #77 |
89. Are you kididng me? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. only a man (or a really messed up woman) would EVER use the term |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
74. bwahahahahahahaha! You had me taking you seriously until this, thanks for the laugh |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 10:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Yeah |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 12:29 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Projection. You miss the point again and project your own desires and fears on us |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #78 |
84. I am only |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. how far we have come since the 70s |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. okay, you're busted now |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:53 AM Response to Reply #78 |
88. + 1 |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #76 |
83. no one is disagreeing that a WOMAN doesn't need a man's money. |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #83 |
87. How is he a deadbeat |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 11:57 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. "Having sex doesn't mean consent to being pregnant" |
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Azalea (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. What? |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. your projection is complete |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 05:16 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Tata asshole troll. |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. FINALLY |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. You are just envious because he was more of a feminist than you |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 07:47 PM Response to Reply #90 |
101. let me just quibble |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 06:52 AM Response to Reply #69 |
79. ok, i still think you are a waste of time, but this just makes me laugh |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:10 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. that's really it, isn't it? |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-16-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #80 |
81. Thank you for that quote, it is a good one |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-15-09 09:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. + 1 |
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musette_sf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-13-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. + 1 |
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