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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 11:58 AM
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"ProLifers" Should Love This Law
this isn't actually a law, and to my knowledge, no lawmaker has proposed it, but maybe it ought to be a law.

Every American must sign up to be a bone marrow donor. Tens of thousands of Americans die each year waiting for a bone marrow transplant. So, every one must sign up to be a donor. If he/she is ever determined to be a match for some one needing a transplant, the prospective donor cannot refuse but must go through the painful process of donating.

Of course, I'm not serious. But when people want to outlaw abortion and say a woman should have no choice in undergoing the painful and risky process that is childbirth on the basis that the fetus is a life, I wonder how many of them would undergo pain and risk to save a life.

Well, it's just a thought.
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:15 PM
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1. and bring the troops home out of harms way...!!!!!!
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sam sarrha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:16 PM
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2. bumper sticker.. "Pro-Life?..then go out and get one and leave mine the hell alone.!!
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:18 PM
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3. another one -->
Oh look Honey, another pro-lifer for war.
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Jim__ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:25 PM
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4. That's an excellent point.
Edited on Sun May-13-07 12:26 PM by Jim__
There's a very old argument from Judith Thompson, A Defense of Abortion that is somewhat along the same lines. She argues that waking up one morning to find that you had been surgically attached to another person so that that person could use your kidney for the next 9 months in order to survive is similar to the predicament of a pregnant woman being forced to carry a fetus for 9 months.

But, I like your analogy better, it's more immediate.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:35 PM
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5. Oh....but.....but.....
Women chooooose their condition via slutty irresponsibility! Only rape/incest victims deserve to maintain their bodily integrity, provided they prove their worthiness to a judge. But for the others, it is acceptable to force them to face health consequences in order to preserve "life" that would not be expected in any other situation. I've seen this argument used numerous times by forced birthers on DU.
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 12:55 PM
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6. Great post
I am going to start using the term "forced birthers".
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Nobody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-15-07 06:42 AM
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10. There are those who would say...
....but but but....you can't get pregnant from a rape!

(It was a question on a test, most of the class got it wrong because we knew the biologically correct answer, which was not the answer the teacher wanted. Catholic HS.)

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zonmoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 01:48 PM
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7. why limit it to just bone marrow
such a law should require a person to donate any organ or tissue if someone else needs it.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:25 PM
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8. Marrow donation is NOTHING compared to forced childbirth
I'd suggest we up the ante to KIDNEYS.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-13-07 05:57 PM
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9. You're Right
One can donate a kidney and live, think of all the patients on dialysis in this country. Why should so many people have two working kidneys when others have none?
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BestCenter Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-31-07 08:58 AM
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12. You know, the prospect isn't so scary
If you're postulating a world where if you have your only kidney fail, you can readily get another from someone who has both of his or her kidneys
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-27-07 06:43 AM
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11. This is a poor analogy because it compares bone marrow,

which is merely human tissue, to an embryo or fetus, which is a human being from the moment of conception.

It also fails to take into account that we know what causes pregnancy and how to prevent it.

Contraceptives are very effective if used properly and used every time a couple has sex. Couples who are unwilling to accept a baby should be very careful not to conceive one.


Contraceptives all have a "failure rate" but in reality, the only women I've ever known whose method failed were women who used IUDs; a lot of women have conceived with IUDS properly in place.

All the other women I've known who had "accidental" pregnancies had missed one or two of their oral contraceptive pills OR had decided not to use their method (diaphragm/condom/spermicides" "just this once." Women on the pill need to know to use a back-up method if they miss a pill and also when theyre taking antibiotics. Couples using other methods need to use them every time unless they're willing to have a baby.

Abortion should be safe, legal, and very rare.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-05-07 06:17 PM
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13. ah, DemBones, Dembones
Edited on Sun Aug-05-07 06:22 PM by iverglas
As long as the thread seems to have been dredged up, maybe I can catch your eye.

This is a poor analogy because it compares bone marrow, which is merely human tissue, to an embryo or fetus, which is a human being from the moment of conception.

Will you post your response to the Quindlen article in the recent thread here, please?

If it's a human being, then killing it is homicide. Killing it intentionally (without lawful excuse or justification, which doesn't include self-defence, mind, 'cause fetuses do not commit assaults) is murder. And of course must be prosecuted and punished as such. No more exemptions from those "fetal homicide" laws in US states, and no need for "fetal homicide" laws at all, in fact.

Right?


Oh, oops, I forgot all the rest!

It also fails to take into account that we know what causes pregnancy and how to prevent it.

Hmm. What causes a need for bone marrow? What's your point? Hell, a need for bone marrow could be as a result of an inheritable condition, or of conditions that a parent exposed a child to. Surely the offending parent should have been careful not to reproduce or to expose his/her child to such conditions, and once s/he has, s/he has gotta take some of that old responsibility. Surely.


Contraceptives are very effective if used properly and used every time a couple has sex. Couples who are unwilling to accept a baby should be very careful not to conceive one.

Sez who? Individuals who are unwilling to donate bone marrow to their children shouldn't have children. Right?


Abortion should be safe, legal, and very rare.

Bone marrow donation should be safe, legal, and very rare. But anybody who proposes restricting access to abortion had better be ready to forego some bone marrow.


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