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Ind4now (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:05 AM Original message |
What am I missing? |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
1. Missing? |
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Ind4now (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Well thanks for the thought provoking response. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. You're not that dim really, are you? |
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stirlingsliver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
2. It Is Too Restrictive |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Don't all pregnancies "damage a woman's health"? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. hey, you get it! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 08:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. So you pretty much reject viablity from Roe v. Wade...? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 09:31 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. yuppers |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. There are lots of things in society that "are unhealthy" yet we have to deal with. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. well, blah blah blah |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 11:34 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Smog is unhealthy... UV radiation is unhealthy... microwave radiation is unhealthy... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 01:35 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. ooooo |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Heheh... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. my head spins ... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. And so it continues... |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 07:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
30. And therein lies the myth of 'partial birth abortion' |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 08:13 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. As far as I understand iverglas is arguing for 'choice' up until 'birth.' |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. You are entitled to your opinion. Like everyone else. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 08:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I have found that the NCAP makes no claims about health. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 03:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. You get back to us after your next abortion, 'k? |
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JetCityLiberal (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 03:34 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Wish I could nominate this post |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 03:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Thank you for the NCAP info. I see nothing about D&E on healthy etc as you claim |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. It's not on the NCAP website, the lobbying group made mention of it... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. So you base this statement..."will perform D&E on healthy mothers and fetuses with a completely norm |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. That was the NCAP position 10 years ago. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. You are basing what NCAP says now on what Fitzsimmons said 10 yrs ago. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I've been looking. I cannot find anything. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:38 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Have you checked with NCAP themselves? Their website talks about early abortions. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. I don't think their organization supports it 'persay.' |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. What NCAP affiliates "advertize it at that late of stage"? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. "the health of the pregnancy at that stage"????? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. cheeses, do you pay no attention at all? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. You're distorting it! He EXPLICTLY states when the procedure is performed! |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. (American Journal of Medicine.) What? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:40 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. iverglas dissmissively linked me to a thread... |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. I've seen viability dates, know those, the insertion of (AJM) was confusing. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
59. and fuck off a little farther |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. The JAMA calls it late term, Guttmacher calls it late term abortion. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:07 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. BS. G link doesn't define "late term" timeline,here's 1 that does(24wks)JAMA links are restricted. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:26 PM Response to Reply #68 |
70. The point is that it's hotly disputed in the scientific community. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:30 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Point is there is a big difference between 20 and 24 weeks. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:12 AM Response to Reply #71 |
76. 20 weeks is my personal feeling because of the JAMA article. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. Did you know you can register for the JAMA archives I linked? |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:38 AM Response to Reply #77 |
79. What's the matter...? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Maybe so... |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:58 AM Response to Reply #80 |
85. Uh huh.... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:00 AM Response to Reply #85 |
86. If you follow the discussion I think you will find it is on topic and appropriate. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:09 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Someone... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 08:16 AM Response to Reply #65 |
92. if only that were the truth |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 06:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. I'm tired of arguging 'terms' with you. Register with the JAMA and figure it out for yourself. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:50 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. fuck off |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 06:57 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. iverglas, I posted a link to the NYT article in an above post. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 08:06 AM Response to Reply #64 |
91. so you're accusing me of lying again? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. These rambles make almost no sense at all... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 03:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. plainly, you don't |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Since when was I for the legislation? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. Quote you? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. You said: |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:40 AM Response to Reply #49 |
81. Clearly, you are playing games. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:02 AM Response to Reply #81 |
87. But I never said I didn't support it. Doesn't that prove it is you who are playing games? |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Your double talk seems to only confuse you. |
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Bunny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-25-07 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
3. Also doesn't allow any provision for the mental health of the woman. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-26-07 02:55 AM Response to Original message |
9. You're missing... |
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Ind4now (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 01:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Good God! |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 02:14 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Is that so...? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 08:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. When people hear "health" they tend to think something drastic. |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 02:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. You are not one of us |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 05:36 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Well said, dancingAlone.... |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 01:44 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. Yes, "we" do sound like fools and idiots, don't we? |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. dancingAlone...! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 03:23 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Kinda, actually. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-29-07 03:13 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Oooooh, poor baby. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 08:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. As if anyone cares what someone on a forum thinks you think of them. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Given... |
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Scout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
28. perhaps he finds it "amusing but not productive" ... n/t |
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lukasahero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Apr-27-07 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
21. Ok, let me try, but I'm only going to say this once - I'll go slow |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-28-07 08:05 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. If it's any consolation, I learned a few things on this thread. Thanks! n/t |
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JetCityLiberal (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
39. Oh brother |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
58. "health" doesn't mean "health" it is code for "on demand" nt |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. how sweet |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. There is no provision of health? Just for demand? |
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JetCityLiberal (706 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 06:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Calling ones self "Pro Choice" while spewing right wing talking points |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Stuff your right wing talking points crap |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Indeed, that's what the distortions attempt to do. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. post #68. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Not a distortion. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. I counter with 24 weeks. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. I did, I said that there are varying POVs about the terminology. |
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uppityperson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 12:28 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. 20 wks:24 wks. Infanticide:Abortion. "22 wks unheard of" Speaking of intellectually dishonest. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:51 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. *shakes his head* |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:43 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. You're so funny... |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 01:53 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. If you didn't care what I thought you wouldn't make such an effort. |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-01-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #84 |
89. Clearly... |
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colinmom71 (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-30-07 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
72. Because it only allows for an imminent life endangering situation... |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
95. What are you missing? |
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bliss_eternal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Thanks for the great news, KT...! |
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Kerrytravelers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-02-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Yes, it was great news. |
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