Roe won't be overturned.

[cali]

I almost wish it would be. I know most folks here already know that Roe has been substantially gutted over the past 20 years. If you're poor in Mississippi the hurdles you have to jump over to obtain an abortion are daunting. Same for many other states. The repubs know that overturning Roe would totally change the voting dynamics and sweep them from office. Alas, they're not that stupid. States will continue to restrict access, and with this court, they'll be able to do so. Roe will remain. Access to abortion services, particularly for women of limited financial means, will not.

[aclog]

1. Thank you

this bears repeating

[Bjornsdotter]

2. True...

...but it's always been that way, even before abortion was legal. The wealthy and connected could always obtain a safe abortion while the poor and middle class were left with substandard options. That will not change if access is restricted.

Also I think we will see the release of more private medical records pertaining to performed abortion in the RW's latest witch hunt.

We need to do what the women of Milan have done....take to the streets and protest LOUDLY.

Cheers!

[channa18]

3. As a proud feminist , I hope you're right.....

unfortunately the evangelical right will get their man and i fear roe is in major jeopardy.

[John Grevstad]

4. Canada will be the option

If Roe is overturned, it will not change the plight of the middle and upper economic classes one bit. There will be ways to get an abortion in or out of the country.

What Would Bush Do if one of his lovelies became pregnant? What if it was a rape or the life of the mother was at stake? The family would "order" an abortion, just like any responsible family with means.

A poor rape victim in Alabama would not receive the same services.

This whole "Roe v Wade" scene is about politicians and religious hypocrites taking the "moral" high ground in the effort to gain the political and financial support of the Religious Right, and they have very deep pockets.

[Warpy]

8. Stupid would be thrilled if one of the first brats got pregnant

because he could then marry her off. That's their job, you know, to marry well and produce heirs. It's the job of any girl born to great wealth. Those positions as heads of do-nothing foundations insure them enough income that they'll remain attractive as marriage property. They aren't expected to do anything to earn their keep but marry and breed.

It's why I've never envied the rich.

[BoneDaddy]

5. Agreed

I have been saying this for years now. The top republicans know they would be up shits creek if they went after roe v wade. They are masters of deception and the one's being fooled are the right wing religious who ACTUALLY think that Alito means they will outlaw abortion.

What idiot's!! They cannot see how the repubs have used this single issue as a way for the pro-life crowd to continually vote against their best interests and secure the religious whack off vote for the repubs. Brilliant!!

This issue ain't religion. The issue with the repubs is two-fold: MONEY and POWER. They are using the pro-life crowd like a worn out condom, forever promising the holy grail of issues: making abortion illegal. But it will not come.

[txaslftist]

6. Well, here's George Bush on the Topic:

“I think the goal ought to be to convince people to value life. But I fully understand our society is divided on the issue and that there will be abortions. That's reality. It seems like to me my job is to try to convince people to make right choices in life, to understand there are alternatives to abortion, like adoption, and I will continue to do so.” Bush claimed that “changing hearts” was a better alternative to making laws.

When Barbara Walters asked him if he wanted to see Roe v. Wade overturned, Bush refused to answer the question.

So, you are correct, Roe is safe. As for what it means, it means that abortion will continue to be legal in all 50 states, but a lot of states will restrict it, as Georgia is doing. But if Roe were overturned, while you are correct that it would sweep the pubbies from national office, in places like Georgia things would only get worse for poor women seeking abortions. Georgia is the kind of place where they would ban all abortions outright for any reason whatsoever, so that doctors, faced with a pregnancy gone wrong, would have to wait until the mother died from complications, then remove the fetus and try to keep it alive.

In other words, that most difficult of choices, whether to save the baby or the mom, would be made by a legislature in favor of the baby.

[mzmolly]

7. Bologna. This sounds akin to "Gore will be the same on foreign policy

as Bush." ~ Unnamed independent former presidential candidate ~

The R's would shore up their base (which is finally waking up) lickety split with R v. Wade overturned. All those "church goin" folk who are disgusted with * will turn out in droves. Even the mention of the possibility will keep their base holding their noses at the voting booth.

Further, Roe is not about "states rights" it's about "civil rights."

We are hanging by a thread as it is. If Roberts and Alito vote to overturn Roe, they'll need just one more justice to overturn R v W based upon past votes from the current group of supreme court justices.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

9. The church people would turn out in droves, but

millions of white, suburban, middle-class women (my mom included) would turn away from the repugs. My mom would never, ever vote for a repug again even if they mouthed pro-choice. She wouldn't trust them.

I doubt R v W will be overturned directly. They'll just continue to chip, chip, chip away. Just enough to make sure that wealthy women will always be able to get theirs.

Already there are many, many counties where there are no abortion providers, but a woman with money can go to the hospital, pay 4 times the cost & get one from an Ob/Gyn.

[mzmolly]

10. Is your Mother unfamiliar with their positon on choice currently?

I think she'd be greatly outnumbered, unfortunately.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

11. First, the church crowd already votes repug.

Second, I don't think she would be outnumbered. I know many, many republican women who are pro-choice. They're republican for other reasons. Not everyone is a one issue voter. And there are millions like her.

I don't know where the repugs would pick up that many more religious votes. Where are they going to get them from? The church? They've already got those.

[mzmolly]

12. Actually much of the church crowd have been discouraged with *

- especially as of late. Also, many Catholics are "pro-life" but vote for Dems b/c R v. W is already decided. Additionally, if your mother isn't concerned enough with choice today, to vote in the best interest of women, I can't imagine her being motivated to vote in the next several elections based on R v. W - especially when the supreme court is already stacked for decades?

People need to think about Roe BEFORE it's overturned, not after. The motivation will be on the part of conservatives who are discouraged with their party, not the other way around.

[wakemeupwhenitsover]

13. We'll have to agree to disagree. n/t

[mzmolly]

14. Indeed, and I'm not willing to take my chances.

The mentality that Roe will never be overturned is exactly the mentality that will see to it that it is.

Peace