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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:39 PM
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This is killing you, isn't? Admit it!
The two most popular (according to posts) right now in the Sports Forum are about FIGURE SKATING!!!!!


:evilgrin:
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:50 PM
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1. I had to do something about that. So i Kicked the Curling thread
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 04:50 PM
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2. And I'll kick this and the skating!
:evilgrin:
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:05 PM
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3. And nary a whisper about Arsenal's humiliation on Wednesday
I don't even recognize this place anymore.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:06 PM
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4. Wait until MLB starts....
then you'll recognize it.
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:10 PM
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5. Oh, I've got some choice posts about the abomination that is the DH in mind.
Good times ahead, matey!
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:12 PM
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6.  Arsenal's humiliation?
Losing 2-1 at Porto is far from that, particularly now that they have a road goal to take into the second leg at the Emirates..
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:14 PM
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7. Giving up 2 the way they did was fairly humiliating.
And having your lone goal come from SOL CAMPBELL?



teheheheheh
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Upton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:27 PM
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8. Fabianski and the referee were both terrible..
and besides Almunia, they were without Arshavin, Eduardo, Song and Gallas.. Most, if not all, will be back for the second leg and that Sol Campbell goal you're mocking leaves the Gunners in a decent position...

If I was betting, I'd say Arsenal still goes through..
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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:33 PM
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9. The referee wasn't terrible
Which is something, considering how terrible he was in France v. Ireland.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 09:45 PM
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16. Loved it!
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El Supremo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:34 PM
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10. I was so happy when Dancing With the Stars ended. Now we have Ice Dancing tonight.
My wife will never let me change the channel.

:cry:
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:45 PM
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11. I love skating, but ice dancing is atrocious.
I'll pass.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 05:57 PM
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12. It's sooooooooooo rigged...
...what's the point of competing, just give out the medals now, they've already been decided.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:02 PM
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13. that's pretty much how i felt about johnny weir...
last night. he got screwed. it's too bad, too.
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 06:04 PM
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14. The bias in figure skating that still exists, even with the new scoring,
is that someone who hasn't done well at the worlds is simply not going to be given high marks, even if they skate well...the judges have in theri minds a few people who should contend, and they save the higher marks for them.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-19-10 07:55 PM
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15. I never thought I'd say this, but thank god/dess for Tiger
never mind the world rankings, he regained the No. 1 spot in the Sports Forum.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:23 AM
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17. Doesn't bother me. Keeps the clowns away from the hockey games.
Same attitude I take with music. The less people into what I'm into the better.

One afternoon my friends and I were sitting on the porch and a car went by with some music blared, Lynard Skynard or some such crap, and my friend said, "There's no need for that." My other friend said, "I think it's great. If they're listening to that stuff then they won't be showing up at any shows we go to see." We all raised our beers in toast to that. One less moran to deal with at the cool shows.

So figure skating fans, have a ball. Keeps you out of the hockey fans hair. :)
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 11:38 AM
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18. I didn't think hockey fans had hair...
...or teeth!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:37 PM
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19. Just a silly stereotype.
Kind of like the stereotypes of figure skating fans.

Personally, I wouldn't mind figure skating if it was decided on the ice and not by judges, judges who can't be bribed or collude with others.

Is Figure Skating Fixed?
A new study suggests that efforts to keep Olympic judges honest have only made them more crooked.

According to Pierre De Coubertin, founder of the modern Olympics, the spirit of the Games is not to win, but to take part; not to conquer, but to fight well. That idealized view of the competition is hard to square with the lengths that modern Olympians will go to get to the winner's podium. Athletes use every technological and pharmaceutical innovation at their disposal—legal and otherwise—to attain Olympic glory. Entire nations have shown themselves willing to lie, cheat, steal, and bribe to defeat the competition. Russian scientists developed anabolic steroids to bulk up Eastern Bloc weightlifters in the 1940s; the Chinese allegedly stacked their gymnastics team in Beijing with 13-year-olds, below the legal age cutoff; even our friendly neighbors to the north stand accused of freezing foreigners out of event facilities leading up to the Vancouver Games.

The 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City were tainted by a figure skating scandal in which judges from five countries allegedly colluded to deliver victory to a Russian couple over a pair of Canadians. Shortly after those games, Eric Zitzewitz, an economist at Dartmouth, circulated a study showing that the figure skating scandal in Salt Lake City was part of a more general pattern of favoritism and vote-trading by figure skating judges. Just in time for Vancouver's Games, Zitzewitz has released a follow-up study showing that reforms aimed at keeping skating judges honest have been ineffective at best, and possibly have even made the problem worse.

In his earlier research, Zitzewitz found that judges awarded higher scores to athletes from their home countries. Using data on nearly 3,000 performances from 61 international competitions between 2000-02 (including the Olympics), Zitzewitz found that the "home judges bias" added nearly 0.2 points to skaters' scores (on a six-point scale), often enough to boost their ranking by at least one position. The data also supported the theory that figure skating federations were making backroom deals: Zitzewitz found that countries could be separated into "voting blocs" whose judges favored one another's skaters: Russians scratched French backs, and the favor was returned, benefitting both countries' skaters at the expense of the competition. As a result, having a countryman on the panel helped a skater not just through the direct effect of that one judge's scoring—the home-country judge also convinced others on the panel to inflate their scores.

In reaction to the scandal in Salt Lake City (and earlier ones), the International Skating Union changed the way competitions are judged. Since the 2002 Olympics, judges' scores have been reported anonymously, and only a subset of those scores are used in the final judging process. (In Vancouver, there will be nine judges for each performance, but only seven of their scores will count.) It may seem odd at first to expect that removing direct public scrutiny of individual judges by concealing their identities would curtail vote-trading. But the idea was that anonymity would make it hard to verify that corrupt judges have actually delivered the scores they've promised—no one can tie any individual judge to a score, and any of the nine could always claim that he was one of the two judges dropped from the scoring. It's hard to collude if you can't tell whether your partner in crime is keeping up his end of the bargain.

Whether the veil of anonymity has been successful in reining in home-country favoritism is what Zitzewitz sets out to test in his current study. While it's no longer possible to observe the scores of individual judges, Zitzewitz analyzes whether having a home-country judge on the panel still results in a higher average score. He finds that the home-country bias gets even worse when anonymous judges can hide from a scrutinizing press and public, despite the barriers that anonymity may create for effective backroom deal-making. The home-judge advantage under the new system is about 20 percent higher than in the days of full disclosure. (Zitzewitz can't say how much of this increase in bias is from the home-country judge himself, and how much from others he's persuaded to go along with him; how each judge has scored a performance—and which judges' scores are counted—are kept secret.)


http://www.slate.com/id/2244277/?from=rss

Link to the actual Dartmouth study in PDF form... http://www.dartmouth.edu/~ericz/transparency.pdf

I'll stick to sports decided by the participants fair and square. Oh, and I still have all my teeth and hair as well. ;)
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:44 PM
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20. Bitter, bitter, bitter...
...you're just a Eugenvy Plushneko, that's what you are! :evilgrin:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:55 PM
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21. Nah, boxing is the only judged sport that's watchable to me.
Edited on Sat Feb-20-10 12:56 PM by Forkboy
I appreciate what figure skaters can do a lot (I used to be a hardcore rink rat and watched them practice all the time, and worked at Tony Kent Arena where Nancy Kerrigan trained at on Cape Cod during her Olympic try, plus I know how hard good skating is minus the triple axels). Seeing their talent is why it bothers me that it comes down to judges who may or may not be honest. Like the info I posted says, it may be even worse now. Tough to celebrate a victory not knowing if it was really earned fair and square. These people train for years and years for that one moment, and it may be all for nothing because a jealous homer judge decides to shave a point off. I'll pass. :shrug:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 12:57 PM
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22. Boxing is about as fixed as ice dancing...in other words,
entirely!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:29 PM
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23. I know, it's why I watch so little of that anymore.
I'm even getting sick of college football because of the BCS crap. x(
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:36 PM
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24. Off topic but I think you need to read this..
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 01:51 PM
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25. That's the funniest fucking thing I've read in years.
:rofl: :rofl:

Thanks for linking that for me. :D
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givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 02:15 PM
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26. Agree...
But boxing doesn't have a "Fragile French Judge" and we need more of her in these Olympics.

I miss the "Fragile French Judge".
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 06:33 PM
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29. Fragile my ass...corrupt is more like it...
...also heard that Robin Cousins won the gold in 1980 because there was a deal between the East German judges and the British judges so that the British judge for women would really mark Linda Fratianne down low in the figures so that she couldn't beat the East German woman, and in return, the East German judge for men would be sure to give Robn the marks. Actually, Robin Cousins might have won anyway, but Linda Fratianne won the free skate and the short program, all told, won 75% of the competition, but was so low in the figures (since abandoned) that she got the silver.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 04:51 PM
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27. You see, that's where we diverge on our opinions about skating...
I watch figure skating for the HOT chicks! (cboy for the...??)! I'm sorry, but watching toothless guys bleeding and skating is not very much of a turn on!!

:D

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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-20-10 06:27 PM
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28. What do you watch football for then? What's your turn on there?
:P

What's in football that you like that hockey doesn't have? Both are intense. Both are physical. Both take guts to play. Both have players with skill and even grace at times. Both need to work their asses off each and every game to win. Both have strategy. It's why they're my two favorite sports. My best friend says the same thing, only for him it's reversed...he's football then hockey. But we love both for the same reasons. They're just cool fucking sports.

And besides, how sad is someone's life when they need figure skating to see sexy women? No turn ons elsewhere in your life? And you're busting on trumad for his S.I.....um....escapade? At least he didn't need to hold a remote at the same time! :D

:hide:

:yoiks:

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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 11:14 AM
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30. Oh my...89 posts now on the official figure skating thread...
...no wonder some of our regulars are in hiding!!!

:evilgrin:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:44 PM
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31. Yeah, but 70 of them are yours.
;)
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:54 PM
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32. 69!!!!
Actually, a lot of people who don't post here are posting to my glorious thread!!!!
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 12:58 PM
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33. The curling thread has 55 responses!
Just sayin....
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-23-10 01:10 PM
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34. We're almost double! We're #1!!!!
:evilgrin:
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