Deep Thoughts With Bill Boyers

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http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=moyers29&date=20060629&query=bill+moyers

SNIP

"There's no question that there's a great divide between the religious and the secular. But I'll tell you, most people I know — my family, my friends, my neighbors, my colleagues at work — don't live on either side of that divide. Most of us are walking a swinging bridge between them. To change the metaphor, most of us ride both ends of the seesaw of faith and doubt.

"Fundamentalists have framed the debate. They come charging in with their absolute truths like picadors, and they draw blood. But the fact of the matter is that we've allowed opposite ends of the spectrum to dominate the discourse. The Madalyn O'Hairs on one end and the Pat Robertsons and Jerry Falwells and James Dobsons on the other end."

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" I don't think Jesus confirms the politics of the left or the right. I understand but am somewhat chagrined by some people on the left, some progressives, who are trying to encourage Democrats to imitate the God talk of the right. What we need are articulate and eloquent defenders of the Enlightenment, and eloquent and courageous champions of secular democracy. Because in the public square, secular democracy should be our god. And this is again where the right has grotesquely seized language for their own purposes.

The constant refrain that we are a Christian nation, that our founders were Christian men, that church and state belong together, is at odds with the true story of our founding era. The founders of this country were men steeped in the history of Europe, riveted with bloody religious wars. They did not want that to happen here."

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1. "Moyers" nt

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2. He makes a lot of sense

And here we come to another revelation of the hypocrisy of the right: When Pat Robertson speaks up with a fatwa against the president of Venezuela, the right turns and looks the other way.

But of course. They're "Pro-Life" yet see nothing wrong with murder.


The constant refrain that we are a Christian nation, that our founders were Christian men, that church and state belong together, is at odds with the true story of our founding era. The founders of this country were men steeped in the history of Europe, riveted with bloody religious wars. They did not want that to happen here.

And yet here we have them, thanks to revisionist religious extremists. Those who don't learn from history...

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3. Hi Buffy. I started another thread because my stupid typo made me

think people would never see this. Anyway, in case you're interested, here's the other thread. A few more people weighed in.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=214&topic_id=79648&mesg_id=79648

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4. Yes, I saw that after I posted on this one

Thanks though. :hi: