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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:42 PM Original message |
The Thin Skins Of Religions |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:44 PM Response to Original message |
1. "God is Santa Claus for adults." |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. yep, exactly |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. That is your concept |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I guess you're referring to Pantheists or Buddhists. |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I'm talking about the mystical concept of God |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. uh, ok. so like 2% of the US? |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 07:52 PM Response to Reply #16 |
72. I don't know the percentages |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:11 PM Response to Reply #72 |
118. How would I differentiate that from projection? |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 06:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
106. Just So Quick To Disagree With Her |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 06:24 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. Deleted sub-thread |
TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
28. Don't be so certain about that |
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SPKrazy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 06:23 PM Response to Reply #28 |
107. Very Close To Mine As Well |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 09:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
75. I've been wanting to ask this |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 04:15 PM Response to Reply #75 |
114. That's actually a good question, Goblinmonger.... |
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bluesbassman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 07:38 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Well put Dorian. |
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nemo137 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 12:22 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. That's how I'd tend to understand a personal God, as well. |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. Religion is like any number of other concepts that are twisted by people. |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Yes, but every good/bad government in history has had its roots in some |
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Roland99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:00 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. I don't think there's been a society w/o any type of spiritual aspect |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
12. Religion - the concept - was invented by people, probably twisted ones |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
66. I don't think "invent" |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 06:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
87. Not everyone has that kind of natural impulse or instinct. |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 04:17 PM Response to Reply #66 |
115. Exactly, TallahasseeGrannie. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
119. I think that the impulse to religion is like hair. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:46 PM Response to Original message |
4. The reason why they act like angry, violent children... |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. It's all so incredibly immature, selfish and NARCISSISTIC..... |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:08 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. But it is also what I consider a NATURAL reaction to something as.... |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:51 PM Response to Reply #14 |
67. Could you elaborate some more? |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
32. Oh, I don't know |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. LOL, you got that right! |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
6. My opinion is that religion is evolving |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. You bring good points to the table. You, like many, are involved |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. No, I think your term was apt |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
21. Yes, religion is an evolving mind-virus. And what is true about it is that |
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Ringo84 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
7. Re: |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. Christianity is not the ony religion to survive so many years |
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Ringo84 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
36. To Tom Yossarian Joad |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
71. Sorry, the concept of following a lie or untruth does nothing in |
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bluesbassman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 02:22 AM Response to Reply #71 |
103. Tom, can you clarify that statement? |
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Kutjara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. The problem is probably much deeper. |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
18. Religion is an addiction. Never get between an addict and their "fix." n/t |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. Good point |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
20. "Those who can make you believe absurdities |
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BlueEyedSon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Ouch, good one. |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
47. I would amend that |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:39 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. but are atrocities limited to those |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
23. What about the USSR, Mao's China, and |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. At least they were honest. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. If you believe human nature is brutish |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #23 |
74. Yes, their deeds were nasty - but not done in the name of atheism. |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
25. I understand your concerns |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Dammit! Logical thinking! |
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JerseygirlCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #29 |
73. Nope, people would come up with new excuses to suit |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 04:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
116. Very apt and Very true. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. That is a pretty stunning repudiation of faith |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
37. I don't see where she said that. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Quote |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. right - which is not the same thing as saying |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. That's what I interpreted her comments to mean |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:36 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. I took her to mean |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:43 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. I think that's just semantics |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. fair enough, although I would amend your last statement |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Truth! Peace! nt |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. Let me clarify just a bit |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #39 |
117. In context of the conversation... |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:42 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Not faith |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. Hmm. I see "faith" and "religion" as the same nt |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:47 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Oh heck no! |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. Hmm, reading back through post #25 |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I can see your confusion |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 06:49 PM Response to Reply #64 |
88. Yes, I was confused. In my defense, these days, religion and faith |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:54 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Thanks for the conversation! |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:42 PM Response to Reply #60 |
65. Thanks! |
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Democrats_win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:10 PM Response to Original message |
26. Religion is bad, but some sort of spirituality is essential. |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 10:23 AM Response to Reply #26 |
76. "Spirituality" may be essential |
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Ron Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 10:38 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. "Religion as we know it" |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 11:47 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. There will always be questions |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
31. Someone slap me for opening up this thread |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:22 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. You have now personified the reason for the post. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
34. hi, TYJ |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Hi! Long time no type! |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. I don't think |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:58 PM Response to Reply #41 |
69. Wow, you nailed it |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:28 PM Response to Original message |
42. The same can also be said of non believers. |
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Proud_Democratt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:49 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. I would expect a reply like that ...from you. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:00 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Glad I didn't disappoint you. |
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Proud_Democratt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:14 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. As an Atheist....I can see through the thin layer of "believing" |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:26 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. Ditto! |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 06:59 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Christians call that |
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libhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 01:15 PM Response to Reply #42 |
81. Religions, |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 07:28 AM Response to Reply #81 |
104. You couldn't be more wrong! |
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celtdem (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 09:47 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. Sorry to hear |
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celtdem (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 08:42 PM Response to Reply #81 |
109. I'm completely agnostic about life after death |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 09:58 PM Response to Reply #109 |
111. I absolutely agree with you. |
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celtdem (77 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 10:04 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. Thanks |
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TallahasseeGrannie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:45 PM Response to Original message |
52. Tom, thanks |
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Tom Yossarian Joad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Thanks TG... It just gets my goat from time to time. |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-14-06 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
57. Actually, I don't understand the defensiveness of many on this... |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 11:48 AM Response to Original message |
79. 29% in UK: World would be more peaceful if people didn't believe in God |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 12:19 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. 71%, that's worse than the Crusades. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 01:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Crusades? Oh, now I understand |
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ozone_man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I realized that it was ambiguous |
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libhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. You have to remember |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
85. and everything else, it seems |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 06:55 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. Can you offer proof that religion is "inherent" in mankind? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 07:03 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. Proof? |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 07:31 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. So I would posit that non-belief is also inherent in societies. |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 07:58 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. You can posit what you wish |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 09:08 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. And society also has those that don't believe |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 09:42 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. That's nice |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 10:08 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. You can't prove God exists |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 10:37 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. You need to explain why |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 10:56 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Explain "why" what? |
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manic expression (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. Explain your statement |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-22-06 11:54 PM Response to Reply #97 |
121. "I can point to evidence of religion from the first civilizations." |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
86. Religion is GOOD for mankind. |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 07:00 PM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Murder perpetuates itself through the generations as well |
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Proud_Democratt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 09:14 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Governments have allowed Religion to reign because it |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 09:38 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. "Good" here refers to the benefit of the practitioner... |
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riderinthestorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-15-06 10:26 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Religion was devastating for me personally |
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lvx35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-16-06 01:00 AM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I'm sorry to hear that. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-21-06 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
112. Religion isn't all bad, and it isn't all good either. |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
122. Some of them are horrible. |
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bluesbassman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-23-06 01:01 AM Response to Reply #122 |
124. "One right way to live" |
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