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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:24 PM
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Lerk's rule of yardsticks.
something I wrote a long time ago:

LERK'S RULE OF YARDSTICKS

Preface: Everyone has some yardstick by which they personally measure the big questions, like faith or non-faith, God or no god, the right way and the wrong way...etc. For the sake of clarity, lets assign everyone a different color yardstick, with varying forms of measurement for each.

1. Your green yardstick cannot be used to judge your neighbor. He already has an orange yardstick. He will not accept your measurement of him.
2. Your green yardstick cannot be used to judge your neighbor's orange yardstick, because he has already accepted the orange yardstick's standard of measurement as true, or else he would not be using it.
3. Your green yardstick cannot be used to pummel your neighbor or break his orange yardstick. He would just make another orange yardstick.
4. You cannot proclaim your green yardstick is the only true measurement, even if it is, because your orange neighbor will simply ignore you or hate you for trying to dislodge his orange yardstick.
All these things lead to disharmony with your orange neighbor. And if it was your goal to change his orange yardstick to green, that will not happen.

However...
1. If you accept your orange neighbor's orange yardstick, even if you disagree with him, you may have gained a friend, though not a convert.
2. If you frame all your discussions on measurement with relativity....by saying things like "It was 3 green inches long, or on the orange yardstick, 4 inches" you may have achieved synthesis of two colors, arriving at a third, or at least are speaking in a language that can be understood by your orange neighbor. Even if he does not accept your green yardstick, he at least can understand your point.
3. If you borrow your orange neighbor's yardstick to measure something, you might better understand him. And, he will be more likely in return to borrow your green yardstick to better understand you.

Conclusion:
The Purpose of personal yardsticks is to measure only ourselves. To see if we measure up to our own standards, and if not, to make adjustments to do so. We cannot forcibly make another use our yardsticks, however they may be impressed with how well we measure up to our own standards and ask to borrow ours.
To each of us, our own yardstick is our own truth. There is nothing that says We or our neighbor cannot readjust either ourselves or our yardsticks with new information or enlightenment, but those adjustments can only be made to ourselves and from within ourselves. When we accept THIS truth, we can be more happy with our own yardsticks, and others can be more happy with theirs.
Because ultimately, whichever yardstick is THE yardstick, doesn't matter. We will all make our own standards. When the time comes to calibrate our yardsticks with the great yardstick in the sky, the Lord is not likely going to come to us and say, "hey, your orange neighbor, what do you think of his yardstick?" He is more likely to say "hey, well done with your green yardstick, lets see how you measured up, shall we?"
The bottom line is, if indeed, as I believe, there is a God, spending time worrying about our neighbor's orange yardstick is time wasted when we could have been trying harder to measure up to our own. Better to get your own house in order than to have run around like a chicken with your head cut off trying to force other people to get their houses in order. They won't thank you and you won't help them and you won't even get to put in your own two cents when judgement day comes. God does not need advisors or informants, so why fritter away doing the equivalent of that with the amazingly short time we have?


my two cents.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:28 PM
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1. I enjoyed reading this
thanks for the post
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:30 PM
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2. an excellent piece, and thank you.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:37 PM
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3. you're welcome. I was reminded of it while in another thread.
luckily I'd saved it on my hard drive. its about 8 years ago I wrote it.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 07:59 PM
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4. I've only got
an old purple plastic ruler with Scooby Do on it.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:07 PM
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5. :grin:
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thinkingwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:17 PM
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6. Thanks, I love this!
:applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

Recommended. :bounce:
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:24 PM
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7. It's a neat story, but fails on many levels.
You take your green yardstick to the grocery store, and your neighbor brings his orange one. The grocer charges ten cents a yard on spaghetti. According to his red yardstick, of course. How do you sort that out?

The city comes a-knockin' and wants to assess your property. Their purple yardstick is shorter than your green one, and they measure your land to have more square yardage than you think it does. How do you sort that out?

The point is, the personal yardstick is all fine and dandy when it comes to just measuring your own stuff, solely for yourself. But we don't just live in a bubble by ourselves. We interact with other people all the time. Inevitably, some situation will arise where an agreement has to be made on whose yardstick will be used for a common measurement.

What do you do?
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:30 PM
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8. That is when
the International Standards Organization comes in very handy.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 08:52 PM
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9. And as far as that goes,
"A pint's a pound the world around." :toast:
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:18 PM
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10. Indeed
and if you want to have some real fun, try explaining to kindergartners that a pound of nails weighs the same as a pound of feathers. They think you are insane.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 09:35 PM
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11. did you miss this part of it?
2. If you frame all your discussions on measurement with relativity....by saying things like "It was 3 green inches long, or on the orange yardstick, 4 inches" you may have achieved synthesis of two colors, arriving at a third, or at least are speaking in a language that can be understood by your orange neighbor. Even if he does not accept your green yardstick, he at least can understand your point.
3. If you borrow your orange neighbor's yardstick to measure something, you might better understand him. And, he will be more likely in return to borrow your green yardstick to better understand you.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 10:37 PM
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12. That part is simply pie-in-the-sky idealism.
It doesn't reflect the actual world we live in, where even if you borrow your neighbor's yardstick, he might still kill you when you offer your green one.

Like I said, it's a nice story. But that's about it.
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TallahasseeGrannie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 07:45 AM
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14. Um....
pie....
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 08:43 AM
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15. thanks for your input
At least you're consistent.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 09:15 AM
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16. I can appreciate good imagery and fiction.
But your analogy is simply a "here's how utopia would be" scenario. Yes, good things can come from seeing stuff from another person's perspective. But not everyone wants to, or can, do that.

And let's say my "yardstick" is science, and the guy down the street's is fundie religion. He wants "Intelligent Design" taught in my public school. How is that resolved with your yardsticks? We get together, sing Kumbaya, and come up with a solution that everybody loves?

Hey, I'd love to live in your yardstick world, but I don't. I live here in the real world where people beat you with their yardstick while telling you what a loving and wonderful yardstick it is.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:36 AM
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17. the ironic thing is, if you want to paint the religious as intolerant
and then someone of faith writes a treatise promoting tolerance....and you have to claim its unrealistic?

Is there some reason you desperately NEED to view people of faith as intolerant so that if they try to increase tolerance you have to shoot it down?

what would that reason be, I wonder?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 01:09 PM
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19. Go ahead and assume whatever you want about me.
Most believers do, anyway.

I know there are tolerant religious folks. I also know that religious appeals to tolerance fall on deaf ears of your fellow religionists. Why don't you go read your treatise to Fred Phelps? Go actually try and change some minds rather than post your happy sunshine here where most everyone already is on your side?

At some point, when we live together in a society, we have to agree on one yardstick for rules that we all have to live by. Your cute little story doesn't help with that at all.
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treegiver Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-25-06 11:01 PM
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13. I like the flavor, but...
how many green inches long is the question of whether there is a god? Is that number about right? If not, how long should it be, and are we in any danger as a result? Do the yardsticks all have the same number of inches? Does that fact pose a threat? What if we run out of colors? If I can't find my yardstick, can I be arrested? What if someone painted their yardstick? Would we still be safe?

This whole thing is making me nervous.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 11:37 AM
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18. sigh...its written to INCREASE tolerance.
if you view it as the opposite, I don't have any idea what to tell you.
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treegiver Donating Member (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-26-06 04:48 PM
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20. Shorter rule of yardsticks:
Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks.

Sure, up to a point. But certain practices are objective. Measurement is among them. What makes objective practices important and useful is that they're independent of agent. It doesn't matter who adds 2 and 2, the answer is always 4. Objective practices minimize "contradictions among the masses", and are the basis of scientific inquiry.

As Russell said: "In the welter of conflicting fanaticisms, one of the few unifying forces is scientific truthfulness..."
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