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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:51 PM
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Where is Your God??
Edited on Wed Jun-22-11 06:53 PM by Angry Dragon
I think this is a valid question to ask someone. Where is your god?? Does he live in your holy book, in the church you visit, in the mountains, valleys, in the desert, or does he live within you??

One of the reasons I ask this because of a couple of posts I read today, these are just the tip of the iceberg. The first one was where the Archbishop of New York was weighing in on who among us should be able to marry. That in itself is to be expected, but the thing that got me was the reference to Gov. Coumo where he is 'a Catholic accused by the Vatican of “public concubinage” for living with a woman to whom he is not married.' Yet they played fast and loose with pedophile priests and are still coving up abuses around the world.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x179913
The article to go with it: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/spirited-atheist/post/gay-marriage-the-new-red-menace-according-to-new-york-archbishop/2011/06/22/AGXTVrfH_blog.html


The second one was where a woman, a Reverend in the Untited Methodist Church, is on trial for performing a same sex marriage. Rev. Amy DeLong stands accused of preforming a marriage and a charge of being a "self-avowed practicing" homosexual. I am surprised the earth did not split in two.
She was found guilty on the first charge and found not guilty on the second (12-1). I really liked one part of the article.


'DeLong's counsel, the Rev. Scott Campbell, had argued during the trial that church investigators never asked the lesbian minister whether she engages in prohibited sexual activity, the church's accepted definition for "practicing." And DeLong declined to answer that question when church counsel the Rev. Tom Lambrecht posed it during her testimony Wednesday morning.

"I don't know if you're being voyeuristic or just plain indecent, but there is no way, when you are trying to do me harm, that I'm going to answer and share the intimate, sacred details of our lives," DeLong said.'
Link to article: http://www.jsonline.com/features/religion/124358968.html

Link to DU post: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=221x179921


The reason I am writing this post is because I really do not understand why one would want to stay someplace where they are not welcome. It is like going to a party that you were invited to and everyone there is giving you funny looks and talking behind your back. I know I would not want to be there and would probably leave. Whether I had anything to do with those people again, one does not know.

There are people here that do not believe in a god, people here that are still on a quest to find out, and others that believe in a god. Within each one of those groups are many levels. I personally believe in a force in this universe that at this point in time we do not understand. This force is stronger than man. This can be proved just by looking around and observing. That is what I believe. That is my religion.

Now I ask the ones that are Catholic and Methodist, Why do you stay with churches like this?? Churches that call you sinners because you work to make life better for all and treat everyone equal. Why not start your own church, surround yourself with like minded people??

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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 06:53 PM
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1. My dog is my god
Praise be to dog

Woof!
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Scuba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:19 PM
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6. +1
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dimbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:00 PM
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2. Now I ask the ones that are Catholic and Methodist, Why do you stay with churches like this??
As a former Methodist, I can tell you it is because they were born that way and cannot change without being sent to special re-education camps.

Ironic, ain't it?
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 05:59 PM
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22. I will say that
I stay with the United Methodist Church in spite of this type of policy because it is much easier to change things from within than from the outside. Methodist laity do have a good deal of input into the policies of the church, and there are many, many of us doing whatever we can to change the church's LGBTQ policies. Unfortunately, within the church it is a slow process. I am not happy with that fact, but if all of us simply left, change would not happen at all. And yes...some change has occurred.

I understand that this is difficult, but it is, in my opinion it is the only way.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:03 PM
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3. To me the term "god" refers to the totallity of existence.
Everything imaginable in the universe. "God" is not always a good thing for humans, because there are wars, cancers, infantile paralysis, you name it. "God" is in a rock, a tree, a thought. "God" exists beyond human ken. In '68 I put a poster of the periodic table of the elements on my wall, as that seemed to make sense at the time, but I know that there are more elements that we are not aware of. Nothing can exist outside of "God" in my definition. And religion sucks.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:22 PM
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8. +1
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:03 PM
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4. It sure is nice having no god at all.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:09 PM
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5. Sorry, that makes about as much sense as asking "Where is your Santa Claus?"
How can you locate something you don't believe in?
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:21 PM
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7. It makes sense if one believes in a god
and that was to whom the question was asked.......

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white_wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:23 PM
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9. The closest thing to God I have is the
Buddha nature in me and all mankind.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:56 PM
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10. Somehow I think that question should only be asked in Dr. Seuss form
Edited on Wed Jun-22-11 08:14 PM by Silent3
Where is your God?
Oh, where could He be?
Is He under your hat?
Has He climbed up a tree?

Does He hide behind boulders?
Is He disguised as a flea?
Is He strolling the park
Drinking peppermint tea?

Does he fly through the night
Taking cover at dawn?
Is he prowling with lions
Or running with fawns?

Might he be on a vacation
On Saturn or Mars?
Or perhaps in Malaysia
Out hopping the bars?

Some say He is everywhere
Up, left, and down,
He's off touring the city
While still here in town.

Yet He seems so elusive
Your magical Friend,
Might He be spotted
Just 'round the next bend?
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 07:58 PM
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11. Where did you find that?
:thumbsup:
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:06 PM
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12. I just wrote that. :) n/t
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:09 PM
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13. Bookmarking this for your poem ----Dr. Suess meets William Blake
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darkstar3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:17 PM
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15. Nice!
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 08:10 PM
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14. Very good
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 09:55 PM
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16. In my head. I create him every day
and kill him every night when I go to sleep.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-11 11:56 PM
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17. God, the god of Christianity is not a church, is not a building, or even a creed.
God is also not responsible for the actions of the people who claim to believe in that particular entity.
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 07:27 AM
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20. ...
"God is also not responsible for the actions of the people who claim to believe in that particular entity."

Good OR bad.
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 12:16 AM
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18. Ubi caritas et amor Deus ibi est
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LAGC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 07:05 AM
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19. If God is everywhere, does that mean He's in the toilet... when you're taking a dump? (n/t)
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Ninjaneer Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-11 08:44 AM
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21. Yes. As well as in all of your orifices at every moment of every day.
In other words, you're constantly being raped by god.
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