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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:55 AM Original message |
When was Jesus's birthday, really? |
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SlackJawedYokel (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
1. This might help |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
18. Very interesting! |
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RevolutionaryActs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
60. Wow, |
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BeyondThePale (895 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
2. Hard to know for sure with fairy tale characters! |
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:03 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Show some respect! |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:28 AM Response to Reply #2 |
23. Can you prove they are fairy tale characters? n/t |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
42. This is a hard question |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. Another fact is that ALL of the accounts of Jesus are through the |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:14 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Not quite right |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:54 PM Response to Reply #70 |
88. We can agree to disagree, but I'm not sure we do |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:14 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Belief does not need truth to propogate |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:17 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. Can you prove they are not? |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. Truthfully I can't argue with you as I am not in disagreement at all |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
97. Further information |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:43 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. It's possible, but I'll stick with the beliefs I have thanks n/t |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
107. As is your right, but |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. There is very little doubt..... |
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Ms_Mary (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. The existence of Jesus is not generally debated |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I think his existence will only be more and more debated. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. This is very true |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Is that the one about Christianity as a pagan mystery? |
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Ms_Mary (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. It's a good possibility you are right. |
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Az (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
99. His existance is not debated by those that believe |
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hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
3. I thought it was late summer ... |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:08 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Co-opted saturnalia and Yule |
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emcguffie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
30. I think you are right. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
5. Some astrologers put his birth in July or August... |
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lastliberalintexas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:33 PM Response to Reply #5 |
49. I thought the astronomers |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. We are approaching the end of the age of Pisces. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:06 AM Response to Original message |
6. I've quit believing in a historical jesus also |
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emcguffie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
33. Even non-Christians say he existed... |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Nope |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. True that many non-Christians say he existed. |
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catbert836 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
111. He did exist, even for non-Christians |
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scarlett1 (427 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #6 |
46. on my reading of History |
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tanyev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:07 AM Response to Original message |
7. Wait a minute. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. I believe Jesus probably lived |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #10 |
25. It's amazing that followers of him have died (millions of them) for their |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:36 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Do you believe Mohammed really received revealed religion |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #26 |
62. I think that it is very possible that Mohammed did receive "revealed |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:29 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. Well, who were those people you're referring to? |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:52 PM Response to Reply #75 |
87. for one John the Baptist |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:59 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. If we believe the gospels. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:44 PM Response to Reply #90 |
106. Well we should just agree to disagree then, I'm still a Democrat |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I agree. I'd hate to see the party become like the GOP |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:18 AM Response to Reply #7 |
16. The non-Biblical textual evidence is very, very slim. |
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ClintonTyree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
19. I believe in a historical Jesus................. |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:24 AM Response to Reply #7 |
20. The Josephus accounts of Jesus are discredited |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #20 |
51. You might want to read The Case for Christ. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. Welcome to DU, anti-fundie. |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Are all Christians fundies? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:53 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. You tell me which fundies you're anti. |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. Anti those fundies who dogmatically hold to a rigid orthodoxy. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Must be lonely being that kind of anti-fundie. |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:08 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. On this forum, it certainly is. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. LOL n/t |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. LOL |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. LOL n/t |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
68. Real heart felt welcome? |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. You're a smarter person than I. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:17 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. Hey, lots of Democrats are Christians n/t |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. It was a welcome. |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:34 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. No more a contradiction than having a lit bulb as an avatar, I guess. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:37 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Interesting. |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:47 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Interesting, too. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I believe in electricity. |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Alas, something we can agree on! |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Alas, indeed! |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. You sound suspicious |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:01 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. I'm not the one with a nickname proclaiming an aversion to "fundies." |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:02 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Hey, I steer clear of questioning that anymore |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. We'll see whose senses are working, overworking or underworking. |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:22 PM Response to Reply #92 |
98. Open-mindedness |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:36 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. I think certain fundamentalists are dangerous, in a way. |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Again, on that we agree. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:42 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Alas. |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:06 PM Response to Reply #51 |
64. Case for Christ is a good read |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
80. With all due respect, RD, that's one of the weakest cases for Christ |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #80 |
91. Why would a myth be so powerful |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. Does the Mayan creation myth have truth to it? |
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Razorback_Democrat (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:41 PM Response to Reply #94 |
102. Since creation is something that cannot be proven or disproven |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:44 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Faith and reason |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 04:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
109. A matter of faith? |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #109 |
110. No, there is a difference between believing in creation |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
112. "Did they die for something that knew was a lie?" |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:14 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. Josephus in his Antiquities not only mentioned that Jesus |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. It might help you in your battle against fundamentalism |
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anti-fundie (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:07 PM Response to Reply #54 |
65. Are these the same people |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:48 PM Response to Reply #54 |
83. The Catholic Encyclopedia |
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ucmike (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
9. it sucks to have your birthday on christmas. |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. BTW - my birthday is 9/24 |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 02:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
55. LOL! |
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arwalden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
12. The "Shepherds Tending Their Sheep" Thing Suggests |
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On the Road (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
13. No Basis for Selecting Any Month |
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Johonny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:53 PM Response to Reply #13 |
38. Yes |
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ClintonTyree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
14. There is no definitive answer................ |
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AngryOldDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
15. I've always understood his birthday to be sometime in the summer |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
17. maybe even Sept. 11?: |
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manhattanite (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
21. Jesus never existed. |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
76. As long as it says so on the internet it must be true |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
22. Halloween! |
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AllegroRondo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:29 AM Response to Original message |
24. The Romans kept very accurate records |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
77. What historians are those? |
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kydo (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 11:52 AM Response to Original message |
27. Depending on which sources .... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. When did Christians start celebrating Christ's birth? |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. The hypothetical Jesus was born in September during Sukkot |
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goodbody (243 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. no room at the inn |
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Petrushka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-23-04 12:15 AM Response to Reply #29 |
113. Born in September . . . conceived in December . . . so-o-o . . . |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
32. 9/11/-03 |
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emcguffie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Other 9/11's |
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Jim Warren (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:36 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. yeah, and like the obfuscation of xmas |
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Kablooie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
34. 7/6/1946 GW is the second coming of the Christ. Hallelujah! |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-04 03:18 PM Response to Original message |
73. I've heard spring, summer, and fall |
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