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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 12:52 AM Original message |
Faith in God is a denial that humans can grow up... |
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Lil Missy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. kick for morning reading |
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snagglepuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. Kudos. That is one powerful and well written post. |
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Lucian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:06 AM Response to Original message |
3. An interesting thing I observed while watching "House" |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. If a bug is irrelevant to the universe then we too are irrelevant.. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Not so, the Universe is just there, we may be irrelevant to it, but then again... |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:57 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I don't agonize over our relevance to the universe.. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:18 AM Response to Reply #3 |
6. What you have to realize is that Eve is wrong, there IS an ultimate consequence... |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 11:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
24. Eve's position is at odds with Christian theology. |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 11:05 AM Response to Reply #3 |
30. Stop struggling |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:15 AM Response to Original message |
5. Not so. Faith in God can also inspire humans to "grow up" and become |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:24 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. You'd have to define God first, and you must remember that most people of Faith... |
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Duppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 04:22 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. bingo. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
10. There seems to be a certain subpopulation of "atheists" whose primary objective is to insult folk |
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skepticscott (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 05:16 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Especially folk |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 05:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Are you having a bad day? |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 06:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
14. No kidding nt |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:29 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. Please point out where I insulted anyone. n/t |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
15. What's your problem with the science thread? |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #15 |
18. I was dismayed |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:31 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Because its a profound and WRONG statement... |
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gcomeau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. This. |
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ladjf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
16. Your subject line "Faith in God is a denial that humans can grow up..." |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
17. "... faith can sustain us, but that's all it can do, it keeps us in stasis..." |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 01:34 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. His faith was not the reason he found the law of Gravity... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 03:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Nor did it keep him in stasis, waiting for the moment of redemption or salvation. |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-10 10:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Perhaps that's because it wasn't predominant in his world view? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 07:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. And perhaps his curiosity was whetted by his faith. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 08:23 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Success in spite of obstacles simply makes the success that much greater, |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 09:04 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Where is your evidence that his beliefs were an obstacle? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 11:06 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. You're kidding, right? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Hardly. And your thoughts do not count as evidence. - n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 11:59 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Neither do yours, |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 12:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. I haven't made any claims. - n/t |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 12:53 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. False. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 02:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. The original claim: "faith can sustain us, but that's all it can do, it keeps us in stasis" |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 03:30 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. QED my foot. Was it Newton's faith that moved humanity forward, or his overcoming faith? |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 03:51 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. "it keeps us in stasis." - Newton is a counter-example. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 04:00 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. So you think. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 04:10 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. "it keeps us in stasis" - no qualifiers. no "ifs", "ands", or "buts." |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 04:50 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Keep telling yourself you're right. |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 05:06 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Newton never "overcame" his faith... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 06:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. No? |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:24 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Well, my existence, and a number of nobel laureates... |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. That is incredibly laughable. |
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Sal316 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Newton was an Arian who spent more time on faith than science. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. The funny thing about Newton's belief in an intervening God is the reason: |
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Cleobulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-05-10 08:39 PM Response to Reply #29 |
49. Your point? He was also an alchemist that believed he could turn lead into gold. |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-10 07:21 AM Response to Original message |
26. Excellent! |
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ChadwickHenryWard (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-05-10 10:11 PM Response to Reply #26 |
50. I was just thinking about this doctrine yesterday. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-23-10 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
48. I have no faith in any gods and I agree |
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RagAss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-06-10 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
51. We are dependent arisings, like all objects in the universe. |
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