Pakistani Christian burned alive to prevent reporting a rape

[AlphaCentauri]

Source: Asia News

Kiran George had burns on 80% of her body and died after two days of slow agony. The girl was raped by the son of her Muslim master. When she threatened a lawsuit, the young man killed her. In a second incident a Muslim mob burnt a Christian home and copies of the Bible.

Kiran George worked for a Muslim family in Sheikhupura, a Punjab town. The girl died yesterday at the Mayo Hospital in Lahore, where she was hospitalized on 9 March in critical condition. To unleash the murderous madness of the son of the employer the threat of a complaint of sexual assault.

Peter Jacob, executive secretary of the Justice and Peace of the Catholic Church of Pakistan (NCJP), told AsiaNews that "the house of a Christian family was set on fire" as revenge because "a young man is accused of killing a Muslim." The Catholic activist explains that the suspect, Yasir Abid, is "subject to pre-trial detention. The victim is the son of a Muslim landowner in the village of Kirtu Pandora, in the Narang Mandi”.

Mohammad Raza Ahmda raped the Christian girl who, at first, confided only with her friends for fear of losing her jobs. Her family’s conditions of extreme poverty had led the young girl to remain silent. When Kiran George threatened her tormentor of telling her story to the police, the young man blocked her escape and closing the door, he poured gasoline all over her with the help of his sister, setting her on fire.



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It must be tough to be Christian in a muslim country

http://www.tulsatoday.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1665:jihad-against-christians&catid=61:national&Itemid=109

[Zoeisright]

1. Gee, was it Rove who struck the match?

That's exactly in line with his kind of fucking stupid 'reasoning'

[dflprincess]

2. It's tough being a woman in a male dominated society

I'm not so certain the outcome would have been any different if the woman had been a Muslim.

[AlbertCat]

4. It's tough being a person in a ancient superstition dominated society.

[WriteDown]

3. Helped by his sister?

Sometimes I think there is no hope for some people.

[AlbertCat]

5. Helped by his sister?

Well, she didn't want her brother to kill her too!

[crim son]

27. You may have a point. n/t

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

6. Next time an idiot says Christians are persecuted HERE, in the WEST, one can show them this. -nt

Or some article about Saudi Arabia.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

12. Next time that someone says that xtians pose the same risk as muslims to our rights, show them this

as well

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

13. Nah, you do that. I'm sure you're up to the task. -nt

[ProgressiveProfessor]

15. I do with some regularity, both here and on campus

Mature people understand degrees of risk and that they matter. Ideologues and other immature people look at everything in a binary fashion.

An out gay person might have a harder time renting an apartment in Topeka, Kansas that a straight person. In a muslim nation, they would be stoned to death. Degrees of risk/impact matter in the real world

[DeSwiss]

24. "Mature people understand degrees of risk and that they matter. Ideologues ....

....and other immature people look at everything in a binary fashion."



- Well aren't you special. Of course when you have to point out your "maturity" to everyone, it doesn't carry the same cache, does it?

[iris27]

37. Tell that to Matthew Shepard.

Or James Byrd, Jr. Or Angie Zapata. Or Brandon Teena. Or...

[closeupready]

7. I don't think Christianity had anything to do with it; her gender, yes.

n/t

[warm regards]

16. No, but Islam did.

[moobu2]

19. No it didn't. He killed her because she was going to tell on him for raping her.

He didn't killer because she was a Christian.

[warm regards]

26. I didn't imply that he killed her because she was a Christian.

[laconicsax]

20. Exactly.

The affiliations are incidental.

[Igel]

23. She was raped.

So, yes, her gender was certainly involved. So since there could only be one factor--that's how life is, everything is perfectly black and white--that must be it.

In fact, if you're Xian in Pakistan, you're poor. If you hurt the sensitive feelings of the Muslims, you're in deep doo-doo. If you're Muslim and file rape charges, there's a scandal; if you're a Xian and you file rape charges, you're uppity.

Like the word?

Uppity.

You can be found guilty and executed or sentenced to prison forever for blasphemy. The proof? Well, in a Shari'a court as a Xian you don't have much standing; so the word of one Muslim trumps your word. If two Muslims agree--say, a man and his son eyeing the property that you have--then it doesn't matter what the rest of the Xian community says. There's a reason that there are Xian neighborhoods and villages. You'd think it's because of segregation because the Muslims don't want to touch the unclean infidel. (Yes, you can argue that some scholar in a different country grants equality to Xians in many things; but it's that scholar's definition versus the actual beliefs of several thousand uneducated peasants.)

She was impoverished, and that doesn't necessarily have to be due to her family's religion, but her religion would have helped. She was able to be treated as crap. Granted, she was female, but you'd expect her male relatives to have significant standing, if they were Muslim. A Muslim woman has more standing than her male relatives in a fairly patriarchal society. So yeah, gender matters. But so does religion.

In fact, there's a third issue. Pakistan is still pretty feudal. Otherwise it's hard to explain how the darling of many left-of-center Americans, Bhutto, could essentially will her political party and followers to her husband. (Such things are common enough.) Feudalism in Pakistan has large landholdings and wealthy families who can fairly easily abuse the workers and peasants. With women being easier to abuse, and Xians also easy to abuse. This poor girl was at the center of three disadvantaged classes.

Three. Not two.

[AlphaCentauri]

28. well said, it's not gender alone, it is class and religion also

fundamentalist set their seeds in the minds of social groups.

[cosmicone]

8. This is what the nefarious brits have brought to the world by

vindictively partitioning India. A failed pseudo-state of Pakistan, the bastion of terror, injustice and crime.

[Flaneur]

10. DU's one-man Paki-bashing brigade makes its appearance.

Why am I not surprised?

[closeupready]

14. Well-said.

n/t

[cosmicone]

32. It is not bashing if it is the truth.

Which part of "A failed pseudo-state of Pakistan, the bastion of terror, injustice and crime. " is untrue? All of the predicates apply.

Failed = It is run by its military (either overtly or covertly) with a single-minded goal of reconquering India to make it an Islamic country. It has failed to provide education and opportunities for its people and the economy is predominantly based on selling heroin and getting handouts from the West.

pseudo-state = Ostensibly democratic, the country has been run by military strongmen for 75% of the time.

bastion of terror = Almost every non-Palestinian terrorist attack in the last 15 years is linked to Pakistan.

Injustice and crime = drug smuggling, weapons smuggling, rapes, honor killings and terrorism are all la vie du jour in Pakistan. I doubt anyone would disagree with this!

So -- if the shoe fits ...........

[bkozumplik]

11. oh please

You cant lay that ancient fude on the brits. They got involved in the middle. Open an indian history book.

[dmallind]

30. How can India be a failed pseudo-state of Pakistan...

...when the latter was nothing more than a last minute tear-off from the former immediately prior to independence because the Muslims weren't willing to be a minority religion?

[cosmicone]

33. Actually, "muslims" by and large didn't want a separate state

It was one man with a big ego -- Mohammad Ali Jinnah who wanted to be the PM.

Jinnah, a whiskey-drinking, cigar smoking, womanizing barrister from a wealthy family in Mumbai who had never even been to what is now Pakistan in his entire life -- was used as a tool by the nefarious brits to divide the country out of spite.

Google it :)

[dmallind]

34. I don't need to. Jinnah was the leader but one man cannot cause partition

He had the support of most Muslim leaders, or the Lahore declaration would just have been a speech to nobody.

[Flaneur]

9. This article looks like religion-baiting BS.

No indication the girl was raped or attacked because she was a Christian.

The house that was burned was the home of a man accused of murder. Maybe, just maybe, that's why the attackers were pissed off.

[AlphaCentauri]

21. Looks like tensions between Christians and Muslims are growing

Twenty-four people were injured in clashes between Christians and Muslims in northern Egypt, a security official said on Saturday.

Twenty people, both Coptic Christians and Muslim, were also arrested in Friday's troubles, the official said.

Fighting broke out in the northwestern province of Mersa Matrouh when Muslim residents began to hurl stones at Christian construction workers they thought were building a church.

The Christians said they were building a wall for a hospice, not a church, the official said.

"Around 400 people were involved in the fighting. Twenty people were arrested, both Muslims and Christians, and 24 were injured," the official said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5igBBLTBBIwaFmTdYlHO87Rv92zEQ

[laconicsax]

22. Neither of those have anything to do with your OP.

[ZombieHorde]

17. I want to comment on the cartoon in the OP.

Although I do enjoy bashing various schools of thought, such as Islam, the cartoon is dishonest. The West is responsible for a lot of deaths in Islamic countries.

How many innocent people, including children, have we killed in Iraq, and for what?

[AlphaCentauri]

29. You'd probably right

My question would be, how other religions are tolerated in countries with muslim majorities?

Why other religions have to pay special taxes?

[dmallind]

31. Depends which

Turkey or Saudi Arabia? Hussein's Iraq, the Shah's Iran, or Jordan?

[ZombieHorde]

35. "how other religions are tolerated in countries with muslim majorities?"

Not well.

[Odin2005]

18. OMFG!!!

:grr:

[Dorian Gray]

25. This story is so horrifying

that poor poor girl. She suffered horror after horror.

[ChadwickHenryWard]

36. We have so far correctly identifed her gender and religion as contributing factors to this crime.

One has been left conspicuously unmentioned: class. The man who raped her was her social and economic superior. Part of his willingness/ability to commit this crime comes from the fact that she was poor, and he was (relatively, at least) wealthy.