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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 01:59 PM Original message |
Calvinism: A cancer on Christianity |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
1. How so? Not disagreeing with you and do know what you are referring to. But you give no insight |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I got the impressions from Reading Republican Gommorah, and Deer Hunting With Jesus... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. what "whole idea"? It'd be nice if you defined Calvinism in your post and went into any depth |
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cbdo2007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
15. I don't know much about Calvinism but I agree with you about Paul |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. yup..... |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. Most forms of protestantism are like that. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. one could also point out that Protestantism formed around the same time as the Middle Class |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Not really, KittyWampus. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. We are into arguments that require defining what is the "Middle Class". |
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TrogL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
5. Don't forget "Prosperity Gospel" |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Shit, forgot about that one. |
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Blue Owl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. Calvinism... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. Justification by faith alone is a core doctrine. |
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happyslug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 05:47 PM Response to Reply #8 |
22. That is why St Paul is followed by St James in the Bible |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 01:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
54. Of Calvinism? Surely you jest. |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
10. Really? |
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TheMightyFavog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:07 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Not all protestants are bad. |
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enlightenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. Depends on your point of view, I suppose - |
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Gman2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yes, it leads to torture. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
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Eric Condon (761 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
18. I personally follow my own version of Calvinism |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 04:06 PM Response to Original message |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 04:32 PM Response to Reply #20 |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 08:18 PM Response to Original message |
23. Did Calvinism cause the Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades, too? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 09:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. The Church in the U.S. owes more to Calvin than to Torquemada. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. So? You are trying to change the subject, as usual. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 01:54 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Well, John Calvin barbecued the first Unitarian. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 04:02 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Your history is sloppy, and your reading of the gospels dull and ideological |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 04:18 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. So just because we don't necessarily believe in it, |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 07:17 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. You've seen me post repeatedly here material written by atheists that I found interesting |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Boorish and Juvenile? I think not. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 09:29 AM Response to Reply #33 |
56. Cat got your tongue? n/t |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 02:36 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. For two millennia, the imperfect have retold the gospel to the imperfect, |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 07:21 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. That rambling paragraph is not even close to an answer for the question you were asked. |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 05:03 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. The English king was Catholic at the time. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 06:54 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. As I said, your history is sloppy. Church and state power were not merged at the time, |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 02:31 AM Response to Reply #32 |
48. This is merging of political and state power. Your own statement. |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-08-10 04:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. The English partisans were determined to trump up some charge and would have done so, |
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Angry Dragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 09:25 AM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Perhaps you need to read more |
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struggle4progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:26 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. No, the English captured her and handed her over to an English clerical partisan, |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 07:58 AM Response to Reply #26 |
34. The subject was the U.S. Church, not the Crusades. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 09:45 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. Actually, the subject was: "Calvinism: A cancer on Christianity" |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 10:37 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. That's why it referenced Jim Crow and segregation. |
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uberllama42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 11:37 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. It referred to Apartheid |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:44 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Careful there, don't aggravate him with facts. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. I must have missed the inquisition reference in the OP. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:43 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that it was called "Christianity bashing"... |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. The Armenian genocide happened also. That, as well, is off point. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 02:08 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. So, does stating facts constitute "Christianity bashing"? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 09:30 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Interjecting gratuitous references to the Inquisition and the Crusades into a thread about Calvin |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 10:54 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. So no, you have nothing at all to prove I was "bashing Christianity." |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 12:36 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Your entire posting record in this forum proves that. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 02:26 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Says the sewer rat. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 09:59 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. I was waiting for you to crawl up into this thread. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 08:35 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Let the record state that I made an honest, civil effort with you. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-07-10 10:01 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. You're welcome. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-05-10 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
25. Dislike. n/t |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-06-10 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
28. And finally, for the ironically inclined... |
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frogmarch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-09-10 05:15 PM Response to Original message |
59. Regarding the Salem witch trials, |
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Manifestor_of_Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-10-10 11:25 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. John Calvin hanged Michael Servetus for being a heretic. |
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