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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 03:26 PM
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Stoning of the devil
AP) MINA, Saudi Arabia - Vast crowds of pilgrims cast stones at walls representing the devil on the third day of the annual hajj on Friday as Muslims around the world began celebrating Eid al-Adha, the most important holiday of the Islamic calendar.

The weather was sunny and hot Friday morning over the desert valley on Mina, a contrast to the unusually heavy rains that soaked the faithful on the pilgrimage's opening day Wednesday. The downpours caused heavy flooding in the nearby Red Sea coastal city of Jiddah, killing 83 people.

The stoning rituals at Mina have long been the most hazardous of the hajj. The pilgrims -- more than 3 million this year -- file past three stone walls representing Satan and stop to pelt them with stones in a symbolic rejection of temptation. In the heavy traffic, crushes and pileups have killed hundreds, most recently in 2006.

But since then, Saudi authorities have built a giant multi-story ramp around the walls, allowing people to stone on five different levels, spreading out the crowd and preventing jams.

On Friday, the huge masses of men in white robes and women streamed over the sprawling structure, which resembles an immense, nearly kilometer-long (0.6 mile) parking garage. They furiously threw pebbles at the walls, denouncing the devil.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/27/stoning-of-the-devil-phot_n_372183.html


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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 03:33 PM
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1. Wow! Awesome photos and film footage. Thanks for posting! n/t
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Christa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 06:20 PM
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2. I don't know if it is true
But someone told me the big stone they worship is the Stone of Ishtar the Akkadians and Sumerians used to worship thousands of years ago.

Does anyone know more about it?





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onager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 10:07 PM
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3. I used to live 40 miles from Mecca...
Edited on Fri Nov-27-09 10:08 PM by onager
In Jeddah. Worked there for 2 years. I could not enter Mecca, but on weekends we would sometimes drive to the first military checkpoint outside the city and turn around. There was lots of interesting stuff to see on the highway, like a huge Used Camel Lot.

Never heard your story about the stone. Pilgrims used to throw rocks at 3 large stone pillars. Only a few years ago, the Saudis replaced the pillars with walls.

Reason: too many pilgrims were hitting other pilgrims when they threw the stones.

You'd think an omnipotent deity could have fixed that...ahem...

One of the biggest traditions of the Mecca hajj seems to be the Annual Tragedy. Collapsing bridges, huge fires, pilgrims trampled to death in mob scenes, etc. etc.

When I was over there, a chartered jet full of pilgrims crashed just outside the Jeddah airport, killing everyone on board.

Because the accident had to be investigated, the wreckage of the plane lay there for months and months...just outside the fence around Jeddah airport, in full view of everyone going in and out.

Gave us something to think about if we were catching a flight.

Many of the hajj charters were run by Pakistani International Airlines, or PIA. Frequent fliers on that airline said "PIA" really stood for "Pray I Arrive" or "Please Inform Allah."



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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 12:08 AM
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4. Yup, Karen Armstrong.....
...(among others), covers this topic and related aspects of Islam's past, in both "A History of God" and her book on Mohamed. Most of what she writes about it refers to pre-Islamic legends that have been sewn into the tapestry of this religion's belief system over time. Here's another perspective on the origins of The Rock:

According to ancient Arabian traditions, when Adam and Eve were cast from Paradise they fell to different parts of the earth; Adam on a mountain on the island of Serendip, or Sri Lanka, and Eve in Arabia, on the border of the Red Sea near the port of Jeddah. For two hundred years Adam and Eve wandered separate and lonely about the earth. Finally, in consideration of their penitence and wretchedness, God permitted them to come together again on Mt. Arafat, near the present city of Mecca (previously called Becca or Bakkah, meaning narrow valley). Adam then prayed to God that a shrine might be granted to him similar to that at which he had worshipped in Paradise. Adam's prayers were answered and a shrine was built. (This is a pre-Islamic legend and the Koran, the Islamic Holy Scripture, says nothing whatsoever of Adam’s connection with Mecca or of a shrine he prayed at). Adam is said to have died and been buried in Mecca and Eve in Jeddah by the sea which still bears her name, jiddah, meaning maternal ancestor in Arabic.

This shrine passed away during the era of the flood, at which time the body of Adam began to float on the water while the Ark of Noah circumambulated around it and the Ka’ba seven times before journeying north where it landed after the flood. A thousand years later, according to one Islamic tradition in 1892 BC, the great patriarch of monothesism, Abraham, or Ibrahim, came to Mecca with his Egyptian wife Hagar and their child Ishmael. Here Hagar lived with her son in a small house, at the site of the earlier shrine, and Abraham came to visit her on occasion.

http://www.sacredsites.com/middle_east/saudi_arabia/mecca.html


In Armstrong's version, she repeats the legend that the Ka'ba was in fact the place where Adam supposedly "fell." But she writes further that it was later used as the place where pre-Islamic Arabs built their shrines with statuettes of the various gods from their pantheon that they worshiped. That would include the gods of Babylonia (who dominated almost all the Semetic nomadic peoples of that era) and who would include the Babylonian goddess Ishtar (whom the Jewish Kabbalists referred to as Lilith - Adam's first wife who refused to be submissive -- which is my favorite goddess as you know) and other gods from the Akkadian/Sumerian pantheon.

All this god and goddess worshiping would include the polytheistic worship by Mohamed himself, as did almost all Arabs at the time. But one of those "minor gods" that was worshiped and that Ms. Armstrong mentions in her book, is a minor god whose name was Allah. She writes that they also circumambulated around the rock calling out prayers and thanks, etc., to their favorite gods back then -- just as they still do to the only one they've got left, today.

- K&R


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