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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:42 PM Original message |
Thom Hartmann is dissing atheists, saying it's a "belief" and a "religion" |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. I love Thom, but he is wrong on this. n/t |
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marmar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. I thought he was referring specifically to agnostics with that comment..... |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
3. He's not bashing atheists. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #3 |
13. Yes he did. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Well, now you're saying something different. Asserting that atheism may |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #13 |
50. Agnostics are probably the closest thing to a non believer that there is. |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. You've got it exactly right! |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. May I join you two? |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Welcome aboard, matey! |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #68 |
173. I came to this conclusion a while back, but never stated it as such. |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #173 |
228. Strict agnosticism |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
101. Do you take a neutral view on the Greek gods? |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #101 |
169. Well, the Greek mythology is fairly easy to disprove. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #169 |
174. And we also know it's impossible to flood the entire world |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #174 |
216. Believe it or not, I saw a psuedo-scientific argument made for Noah's flood on TV a few months back |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #169 |
230. The Calendar ends then - not the world - two different things n/t |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #169 |
235. This response |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
131. Sorry, but I'm an atheist and that characterization is inaccurate. |
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prostock69 (365 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #131 |
249. Yes, you are right, it's inaccurate. |
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alfredo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
237. I'm physically unable to believe. I have a strong reaction, a revulsion to |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
279. Wrong, thanks for playing. |
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JSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #13 |
85. I have never heard Thom mock anyone |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
4. It's a judgement, not an action (or hobby). Absense of belief is a belief. Basic semantics. nt |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #4 |
40. I'm absolutely certain that an invisible blue goose will not fly into my house and roost on top of |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. If he's invisible, then you are, indeed, acting upon a belief system. |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. Haven't got time. Am working on how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, right now. /nt |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
79. How about the REAL issue, |
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Sal Minella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
111. Aha! If I don't see them fall off, does that mean gravity doesn't exist??? |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
244. So basically, |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #4 |
239. Good. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
5. Hmm...I don't know that believing there is no God is an "absence of belief". |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. It's belief in the absence of a god. (nt) |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I'm not an atheist, but I would imagine that to counter all of the religious |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #12 |
46. You'd imagine incorrectly...nt |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
92. Uh, no. Not really. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Well, apparently you BELIEVE that. I BELIEVE otherwise. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
97. No, if I did all those things I'd be a theist. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #97 |
103. If you reject the existence of a spirit world, etc., then you "believe" |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #103 |
123. No, you've got it all messed up... |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #103 |
134. As I posted down below, the radio analogy proves how wrong you and Hartmann are. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #134 |
187. You're saying that when offered proof that meets one's standard |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #187 |
194. No, that's not true. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #194 |
208. Belief HAS to factor in to anything you conclusively accept as true and false-- |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #208 |
259. I disagree. Words have meaning. |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #103 |
138. It's funny you should mention that actually. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #103 |
140. Listen, we can go around and around with this |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #140 |
189. I'm not trying to persuade you of my beliefs. I'm just saying that the |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #189 |
205. It is a put down of sorts. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:29 PM Original message |
No-- because others don't perceive you or define you |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:55 PM Response to Original message |
260. Yeah, and as a believer |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #103 |
183. I agree, weinerdoggie. unless someone can come back from death and |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:41 PM Response to Reply #103 |
256. You mean before bacteria and viruses were discovered... |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
146. Hm. not necessarily |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:36 PM Response to Reply #12 |
253. Maybe atheism isn't about countering religious doctrine. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #253 |
261. Thank you. It's like someone else said on this thread. It's a room I don't care to enter. nt |
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amdezurik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. it is simply amazing how those with a psychosis |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
212. What is my philosophical belief about the universe? You don't know. So, don't make assumptions. (nt) |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. No, it's a statement of fact. There are no gods. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Er...maybe YOU "believe" that, but maybe others "believe" differently-- |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Exactly...maybe you "believe" the earth is round |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #25 |
44. And some people believe in Santa Claus, fairies, unicorns, and the Easter bunny too. But that |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:20 PM Original message |
I know it's common to paint religious belief as being akin to Santa |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
108. Good point. But where we cross the line... |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
110. You can't conclusively prove that Santa, elves, and unicorns don't exist either. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. This is true. Hope Santa shows up this year, then. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #114 |
116. I hope there's an afterlife when I die. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #116 |
191. Hey, I'll delude myself--what else have I got? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
78. I love my faeries. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #78 |
98. I have no interest in providing answers to life to you. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #78 |
120. Hope you didn't knock any fairies out of the air while you were |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #25 |
48. It's not just a matter of belief, but of evidence. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #48 |
72. Is there life in the universe besides that which can be found here? |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #72 |
132. The answer is probably, and could very well be definately |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #72 |
133. Very possible: I reconcile it thus. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #133 |
161. I consider the possibility of life outside eath worth searching for. |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #161 |
168. It's not wishful thinking. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #168 |
176. What we know of the universe shows that it was created from nothing. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #176 |
223. Not at all |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #161 |
209. You're operating with a very loose standard of evidence |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #209 |
271. I'm operating with less strict standard of evidence than you're requiring of religion. |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #161 |
250. Then back it up. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #250 |
269. What compromises are you willing to consider in your atheism? |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #269 |
272. Hard to get |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #272 |
273. I'm not a fundamentalist in anything. I am agnostic. |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 09:38 PM Response to Reply #273 |
274. So, |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 10:22 PM Response to Reply #274 |
275. It's not imaginary moral high ground. It's the real deal. |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #275 |
276. Nice dodge. |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. It is equally a statement of fact to say there is no life beyond earth. n/t |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
87. How is that a statement of fact? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #87 |
128. There is no evidence for the existence of god/s. It is up to the person making the assertion (god |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #128 |
160. But aren't you asserting the absence of God without evidence? |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #160 |
229. No. The assertion is that god exists. Without evidence, the assertion must be false. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #87 |
144. Yes. It's been proven, only thing is religious people ignore the proof. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
147. Prove it. |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Not worth an argument?!! |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Yeah, normally I'm up for an argument, but I don't get Hartmann's |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. Neither do I |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
109. Well I guess you had to be there |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
59. The "belief in the absence" cannot be equated to the "absence of belief." |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. "Absence of belief" would equal "agnostic" to me, then--in other words, you |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
82. Agreed. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #65 |
104. That doesn't make sense from a logical or scientific point of view. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Excellent post |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #104 |
136. Yeah, by the strictest definitions atheists can only be agnostic |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:29 PM Response to Reply #136 |
155. Yeah the definitions are really a mess. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #155 |
164. Many believers cannot think outside of the theological frame |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #164 |
195. It's funny that you mention Satanism... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #195 |
207. Which is why the majority of Satanic cults are in the Bible Belt. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #207 |
263. The "Satanists" I have known in my life have all been through Catholic school. -nt- |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #104 |
167. Suppose I offer proof that God exists because we live on a planet |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #167 |
200. You misunderstand the very concept of faith or belief. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:33 PM Response to Reply #200 |
214. If the existence of a spiritual realm or afterlife was clearly and undeniably |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #214 |
232. And just how would you set about doing that? |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #214 |
267. If that's true then you don't really have faith. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #267 |
268. And the point that believers so often make... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #167 |
254. 2 things: |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
142. Yeah, we should go straight to war. |
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ben_meyers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. You mean Thom Hartmann |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
51. Ph.D. in Homeopathic Medicine? |
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OwnedByFerrets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #6 |
199. And smarter than you will ever be if you studied in Oxford for the |
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ben_meyers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #199 |
219. Right |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
257. Haha! |
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charlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #6 |
270. Gads |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
7. He's right. Think about it. Atheists have to have faith that there is no after-life. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. Well then I also have "faith" that a unicorn isn't about to fly out of my butt. nt |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. Yeah, I guess my lack of belief in organized religion is a religion. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
61. Not a valid statement |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
130. It could be one of the tiny ones. nt |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #7 |
22. Uh, no. that's not religion, it's logical positivism. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #22 |
118. Thank you. Every atheist is agnostic. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #118 |
215. Absolutely not true. Athiests who belive that there is not a god are athiests, not agnostics. (nt) |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #7 |
24. Since an after life has never been proven by evidence, it doesn't require faith to reject the idea |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #24 |
119. has the lack of one been proven? |
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Pale Blue Dot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
29. NO. Athiests do not have "faith". |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
152. I have faith |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #29 |
165. Faith is simply trust... |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #165 |
184. That's not a great analogy. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #184 |
192. whether religious or secular... |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #192 |
211. Secular faith (whatever that is) is based on "some" knowledge. |
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Beausoleil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
35. Right, if there's no proof either way |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #35 |
57. No, that's silly. |
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Beausoleil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
93. I didn't use the word "faith". |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #93 |
154. There are so many concepts of god, it's impossible to disprove them all |
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Beausoleil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #154 |
170. I think we can absolutely dismiss the concept of the biblical god |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #35 |
63. How does one prove a negative? It would seem that those who say there is a god/s should bear the |
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Beausoleil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
96. You can't |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #96 |
137. It's based on absolutely no evidence of any kind for the existence of a god. |
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Beausoleil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #137 |
157. Therefore you believe there is no god |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
71. You are mistaken. 'Proof' is not a thing, it's a concept. |
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sinkingfeeling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
88. You just defined religion. What was 'evidenced' by my eyes can't stand up to all the 'magic' |
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Beausoleil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #71 |
106. I know you can't prove a negative |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #106 |
151. I will now quote Donald Rumsfeld... |
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Beausoleil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #151 |
179. As another poster related the discussion to a semantical one, |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
124. An apple in a sealed box is not an 'absence'. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #124 |
162. I never said proof was an empty concept. Evidence is tangible, proof is conceptual. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #7 |
42. Wrong. Atheists have no EVIDENCE of any supernatural entities or |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
113. Exactly. Atheism is not a faith because it's not a conviction held, completely free of evidence. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
11. It is a belief. It is the belief that there is no god |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
117. You're just playing a semantic game using only one definition of the word "belief." |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
14. It's a pretty widely held opinion by those who admit they that don't |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I think people who call atheists "dogmatic" and "evangelical" like Thom just did |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. If you say you haven't joined a religion, then you haven't as far as you are concerned. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. I didn't realize we had atheistic mantras. nt |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
58. You have beliefs that you feel you are absolutely right about. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
86. I do? News to me. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Not having the fear of a God makes one obnoxious? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. No. It's the sneering,"I'm right and everyone else is wrong" |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. I feel I am right, so I guess it's sneering. You and no one else can prove any existence of any God |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #77 |
83. I have no interest in proving the existence or non-existence of any gods. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. We do agree on something, that it is all mythology. |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Evangelical antitheism makes one obnoxious |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Exactly how many atheists have come knocking on your door? |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. Damned if I know |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. . |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
23. What "community of atheists"? |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
27. She's talking about atheist activists groups. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #27 |
41. Wow, what a bunch of holy rollers they must be! nt |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #23 |
36. No she didn't make it up. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. I've never heard of a church whose prime tenet is cleaning ditches. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
66. Community service which is what the roadside clean up is about, and |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:48 PM Response to Reply #66 |
102. There's a local group of cyclists who organize road-side cleanups. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #102 |
125. If you read my whole post you would see that I included clubs like that. n/t |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #36 |
163. THEM?!! You have THEM in your community? Run for your lives!!!! |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
32. Garbage |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. He died for your sins |
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unpossibles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:30 PM Original message |
I believe in The Tooth®! nt |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #43 |
166. Funnily enough I have one of my wisdom teeth sitting in a jar in front of me. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. Yes, you do. You just don't see that you are doing it. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. There are several definitions for community |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. It's the only way it makes sense for those of us |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
153. It is not the definition of 'community' that is in question - |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #153 |
202. If it walks, looks and quacks like a duck, it's a duck. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #202 |
217. I don't need to change shit. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
180. The American Dental Association certainly believes in the effectiveness of dentistry |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #14 |
100. So, you know most athiests, huh? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #100 |
129. Most atheists I have met. n/t |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
135. Is that a unicorn hair broad brush? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:22 PM Response to Reply #135 |
145. The unicorn is at a Wal-Mart opening celebration today. |
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nodster (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
255. So, |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
15. Can be viewed either way. |
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lynnertic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
19. Unless of course you make a hobby of protesting, harassing and slandering |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I don't remeber any stamp collectors trying to force everyone else to collect stamps |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Outside of the lefty blogosphere and a couple of recent books |
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Tangerine LaBamba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Did you get that great old sappy line? |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:06 PM Response to Original message |
37. He wasnt' dissing anything |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
49. So sad for Thom to have the God fear, something this Atheist doesn't have. |
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AndrewP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. I'm surprised to hear that he does. |
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qb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
53. atheism = without belief in gods. That is all. |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
69. No, I'm sorry, but he's right |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. Bravo! nt |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #69 |
80. And outside of DU? |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
90. Absolutely agree about the religions fanatics |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 08:49 AM Response to Reply #90 |
277. Can you please tell me the exact amount of being quiet that's required... |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #69 |
95. Some people are rude jerks, especially on the internet |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
99. You got that right n/t |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #95 |
122. As an atheist I've found that no matter how polite and respectful I am |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #69 |
107. You spend too much time on DU. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
126. His analogy about the radio waves is dead wrong. |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
185. But Hartmann's premise was mistaken there |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #69 |
245. I think agnosticism is the most intellectually honest position. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
91. Believers just never get it |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #91 |
105. Well said, Warpy. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 02:55 PM Response to Original message |
115. I begin to wonder who is more sensitive about criticism... |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #115 |
148. It is obvious who is worse. |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #148 |
190. Is this satire? |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #190 |
201. Yet we don't have many (if any) fundies on DU |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #201 |
220. Can I have an example of this atheist "fundy rhetoric"? |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:59 PM Response to Reply #220 |
238. Here ya go... |
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WhollyHeretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #238 |
251. So by your logic every believer is a fundamentalist |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:52 PM Response to Reply #201 |
231. "Fundy rhetoric"? |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #231 |
240. Have you not seen Atheists on this board dismiss theists as fools, idiots, and/or deranged? |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #240 |
264. Oh you poor dears. |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
121. I'm an atheist yet I don't attend any of the meetings... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #121 |
127. I know there are some secular humanist organizations |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #127 |
139. Posters on this very thread have posted that there are such groups. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #139 |
150. You are correct, there are atheist organizations. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #150 |
159. See my post #156 |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #159 |
178. WTF?? Where in this country do atheists have power? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #178 |
213. They don't and we want to keep it that way. |
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KG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #213 |
218. , |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #213 |
222. What country have you been living in? |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #159 |
186. And exactly where are Atheists in power and doing all this persecuting? |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #186 |
198. They don't and that's as it should be. We don't want anyone in power |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #198 |
224. Oh right, I must have been imagining how Mormons and Catholics joined forces |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #127 |
196. actually, here in austin there is one. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #196 |
210. Were they similar to a religious group? Did they have dogma? |
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Javaman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #210 |
226. well, the seemed to be all in agreement about many things and would meet |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #127 |
262. Interestingly, the Exec Dir of Americans United is a minister |
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sofa king (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
233. I don't think it's a coincidence that so many Democrats are atheists. |
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babydollhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
141. I once told my bf that his religion |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
143. Man, I am so fucking sick of this bullshit! |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:24 PM Response to Reply #143 |
149. Well, put this "Belief" bullshit is them trying to suck us down to their level and turn it into a |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #149 |
182. That's exactly what they're doing. Only they don't even have the respect they show other religions. |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #149 |
188. these threads are always illuminating in that it shows a rigid hard |
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Silent3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 09:10 AM Response to Reply #188 |
278. You can believe what you like, but science doesn't back you up. |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #149 |
203. Of course. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #203 |
227. You're missing my point |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #227 |
242. Fair enough, I misunderstood, I apologize. |
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HEyHEY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #242 |
252. it's a zed in Canada |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #143 |
156. Okay here comes the reason we can't accept dogmatic atheism either. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #156 |
175. oh the "godless commies" here we go |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #175 |
206. About as tired as the argument that atheism is the only rational belief system to hold. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #156 |
246. So if I don't accept your premise that atheism is a religion |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #143 |
171. Much like believers don't need to be told... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #171 |
181. Both sides, my ass. |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:13 PM Response to Reply #181 |
193. I could give you examples |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #193 |
204. If you are, and not on the Internet, please tell me where you live so I can move there. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
158. It's a belief for sure. Not a religion, though. |
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Cetacea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
172. Faith in one's logic. n/t |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #172 |
266. That statement is inherently illogical. -nt- |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
177. He's dead wrong on that |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
197. No . . . . . . it's a LACK of belief. For me it's a giant NOTHING. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #197 |
221. Agnosticism is lack of belief / faith. Agnostics don't believe in the lack of a higher power or the |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:57 PM Response to Reply #221 |
236. The problem with the concept of "living in the question" |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
225. An omniscient and omnipotent god strongly implies a lack of free will to me. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #225 |
234. That's why I stopped referring to myself as agnostic, even though technically I am. |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #225 |
247. Cool! I never knew it had a term! |
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Erin Elizabeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
241. I always understood it this way: |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
243. Ah, but some people adhere to it religiously - so fundamentally they forget more important factors. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #243 |
258. By "adhere to it religiously" |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 06:08 PM Response to Reply #243 |
265. Yes, but what you did there is called a metaphor. |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-05-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
248. Thats why I am Non-Religous |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
280. Thom is a believer, inculcated from birth. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-06-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
281. If conservatives wish to declare us a religion, then we should get a tax break. |
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TechBear_Seattle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-07-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #281 |
282. Religions do not get tax breaks, only organizations |
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