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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:27 AM
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It's a pity that there aren't any skeptics here
You are all devout members of the Church of Ideas.

When you pretend that there are witches, life is an adventure. You get to look for witches. After pretending to have found a witch, you get to classify her as a good witch or a bad witch.

Similarly, when you pretend that there are ideas, life is an adventure. You get to talk about "understanding" an idea. You get to say that an OP are "unclear." You get to say that some conclusion is "not supported" by the premises. I can see the attraction.

However, this is a world of space, time, matter, energy, alphanumeric symbols, and an occasional punctuation mark. We can detect radiation, but we cannot detect ideas. A solution can be cloudy or clear, but an OP is neither. Columns may fail to support some architectural structure and the structure may crash to the ground, but conclusions do not crash to the ground.

I can help you face reality, but only if you want to face reality. The first step is to learn to give legitimate, evidence-based responses to an OP. For example, if you point out that the letter "x" occurs exactly three times in this OP, then you are off to a good start.

(The original got archived. Should I have revised it before posting it again?)

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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:33 AM
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1. I don't believe you
And you have presented no evidence to support your claims.

It is just a broad brush smear and a brief ride on your ego trip.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:36 AM
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2. Did you count more than three occurrences of the letter "x" in the Original Post?
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:39 AM
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3. It is not up to me to prove your claims. n/t
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:32 AM
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6. Dude were the drugs really worth the damage?
Really?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 10:25 AM
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7. Hey now, I have a better explanation
Hallucination brought on by the overconsumption of holy pickles!:D
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-08 05:57 PM
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36. Do not eat the holy pickles...
they make your penis grow, and that might be hard for you to explain at your next doctor visit :)
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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:12 AM
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4. You've really let your mind get the best of you...
You have it entirely backwards. There are only ideas. The rest is nothing more than our mind's interpretation of the sensory apparatus through which we experience the physical world.

That is, a chair is only a chair because we interpret it as such.

:toast: Cheers.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:20 AM
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5. So You are Saying That
the letter 'x' is not an idea?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 12:05 PM
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8. Ventris' contribution wasn't identifying the x's in an ancient Linear B inscription.
However, if Searle identified which symbols were x's, then at least we would know that Searle made a genuine contribution to human knowledge.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 01:51 PM
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9. Just to be technical... there are four 'x's not three in the post
Just saying. :shrug:
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 02:07 PM
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10. And just to be technical,
My first post disproved his initial allegation.

Just saying. :shrug:
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 09:13 PM
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15. You're counting my signature line, which has probably changed since
Edited on Sat Aug-23-08 09:16 PM by Boojatta
the original thread was posted. Or perhaps signature lines were simply turned off due to high traffic at the time that I created the original thread.

Edited to provide link.
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 02:10 AM
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16. Does it really make any difference?
:shrug:
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 06:23 PM
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11. You shouldn't use terms
like "skeptic" unless you have a vague clue what it is.
Your post shows you to not have an understanding of what a skeptic is.
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:18 PM
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12. 78.433
Mark.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 07:31 PM
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13. Close, but no cigar.
You missed by 0.002
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-08 08:10 PM
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14. Even Freud said...
...sometimes a 0.002 is just a 0.002.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:21 PM
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17. For someone going on and on about ideas, you seem addicted to them.
The only problem is that your ideas are not very good.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 12:59 PM
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18. My ideas aren't very good?
Are they excellent? Just "plain good" rather than "very good"?
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:02 PM
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19. If ideas were flowers, yours would be Titan arum.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:02 PM
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20. A picture would help.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:09 PM
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21. Google it....very pretty flower *smile*
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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:45 PM
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22. I found google images, but my computer doesn't facilitate google scents.
NT
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:49 PM
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23. If you put me on ignore, then I won't need to Google it.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:51 PM
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24. why would I want to ignore you? I quite like you.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 01:54 PM
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25. You like me, but you don't like my ideas.
Shouldn't you be pursuing Paris Hilton?
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 02:02 PM
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26. Paris Hilton doesn't post enough polls.
I'm totally into poll dancers.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:02 PM
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27. What do you like about Boojatta polls? Presumably not the ideas.
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:11 PM
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28. They often get great responses.
Some of them even have great pictures of bunnies with pancakes on their heads.
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:27 PM
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29. Now that's an idea
I can appreciate!

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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 03:43 PM
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30. Now if someone could get a picture of a praying mantis with a pancake on his head, that would make
my day.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:10 PM
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31. Why not go straight to the source of the bunny pictures
Edited on Mon Aug-25-08 04:10 PM by Boojatta
and leave out the Boojatta middleperson?
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:16 PM
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32. Better question
Why do you think it is?
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-25-08 04:28 PM
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33. Yeah, I could make my own candy apples, but it's more fun when you buy them at the fair.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-26-08 05:09 PM
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34. It's a pity that there aren't any skeptics here
What is a skeptic?

"You are all devout members of the Church of Ideas."

What time is mass again?

"When you pretend that there are witches, life is an adventure. You get to look for witches. After pretending to have found a witch, you get to classify her as a good witch or a bad witch."

I guess that witches and pot have something in common.

"Similarly, when you pretend that there are ideas, life is an adventure. You get to talk about "understanding" an idea. You get to say that an OP are "unclear." You get to say that some conclusion is "not supported" by the premises. I can see the attraction."

Can you see the attraction in this? I bet you can.



We can detect radiation, but we cannot detect ideas.

I can detect my own ideas.

A solution can be cloudy or clear, but an OP is neither.

If by 'OP', you mean 'original post', then I disagree. I have seen OPs that I would attribute those attributes to.

Columns may fail to support some architectural structure and the structure may crash to the ground, but conclusions do not crash to the ground.

Some of my conclusions have crashed to the ground. When I was a teenager, I built a CD shelf and concluded that is was strong enough to hold all of my CDs. I was wrong.

I can help you face reality, but only if you want to face reality.

This is very generous of you.

The first step is to learn to give legitimate, evidence-based responses to an OP.

The title of your OP is, "It's a pity that there aren't any skeptics here".

(The original got archived. Should I have revised it before posting it again?)

I don't know, what did you have in mind?
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EvolveOrConvolve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-27-08 09:12 PM
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35. The definition of insanity
Is repeating the same thing over again and expecting different results. But of course Einstein was just one of those stupid "idea" guys that you hate so much.

:shrug: Jes' sayin'.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-08 03:32 AM
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37. Is repeating the same thing over again and expecting different results.
Not even close to true. Many people practice the same thing over and over again and DO get different results, they get better.

The definition of insanity is:

1. the condition of being insane; a derangement of the mind.
2. Law. such unsoundness of mind as affects legal responsibility or capacity.
3. Psychiatry. (formerly) psychosis.
4. extreme folly; senselessness; foolhardiness.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/insanity
Congratulations, you have found the hidden text!
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 02:30 AM
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41. What self-referential bullshit.
Dictionary.com is such a piece of crap.

Urgh.

Note: None of the above was aimed at you. However, that "dictionary" proffers only four repetitions of the same meaningless assumption.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 10:15 AM
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43. Hmmm. The definition of "practice" is
doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results (improvement).

So therefore, learning to play the piano is insanity.

:)
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-02-08 01:17 AM
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38. There are witches
and I do know a few (without any pretending), but classifications of chaotic, neutral and lawfull don't equal "good" or "bad"... ;-)

What you are hubristically claiming is that you have allready PWNED! reality: any and all "reality" is just what is limited to what your measurement stick (of classical mechanics) can measure, or what can be formally proven inside a finite set of axioms.

Your hubris has nothing to do with reality or even best scientific and mathematical knowledge of available.

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 05:21 AM
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39. Could someone explain to me what this post is trying to say?
I swear to goodness I read it 10 times in a row and still cannot make heads or tails of it. It just ... is incomprehensible.
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edhopper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-03-08 08:41 AM
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40. Welcome
to the strange world that is Boojatta.
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Random_Australian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-04-08 02:31 AM
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42. You make too many assumptions.
That is all.
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