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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:22 PM
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Need the name of the new book about Kennedy assassination,
the one that theorizes that Bush Sr. was the shooter on the grassy knoll. Can someone give me the name? Has anyone read it? Any opinions about it?
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:26 PM
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1. "Ultimate Sacrifice". Thom Hartmann is one of the authors.
Amazon link to it is on his page.

http://www.thomhartmann.com/
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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:30 PM
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2. Thank you! Have you read it? If so, do you recommend it? nt
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chalky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:36 PM
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3. I haven't read it yet, but from listening to the various interviews with
his co-author, I'll probably check it out.
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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:42 PM
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5. Thanks Chalky, I think I'll get it.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:27 PM
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7. note the review - written with a CIA blinder on
as the review below notes:

Did the Dulles brothers have a "patriotic motive" to eliminate Castro which "superceded" their less-than-pure but immeasurably stronger motive to eliminate Kennedy?

If the Castro-Coup was the motive for the JFK-Assassination cover-up (by RFK, according to the authors, no less!), then was it simply coincidence and convenience that LBJ's Bell Helicopter/KBR (Halliburton) buddies stood to gain so much by LBJ's reversal of (JFK's) National Security Memo #263, which would have de-escalated U.S. involvement in Vietnam?

Why is National Security Memo #263 discarded in this book in favor of an elaborately-constructed Meta-Narrative that favors the "Castro-Coup-Coverup" explanation of Hartmann & Waldron?

More to the point, couldn't a "Castro-Coup-Coverup" explanation also be true, as the authors posit, yet also exist side-by-side with a parallel CIA/LBJ coup-motive?

Why do Hartmann and Waldron discount the motives of the Military-Industrial-Congressional complex? Why do Hartmann and Waldron discount the motives of LBJ, his KBR-funders, his Texas Oil buddies, and the Dulles brothers?

Consider the fact that Hartmann, for all of his wonderful historical information-dissemination, glosses over (actually, never talks about) such chapters of U.S. history as The Church Committee, Cointelpro or Operation Mockingbird (see Carl Bernstein's October 1977 Rolling Stone article, "The CIA In The Press").

Call Thom Hartmann on his radio show and ask him about Operation Mockingbird, whether it's significant at all to the integrity of U.S. democracy since 1963, and why we should trust our U.S. media in light of the CIA's involvement in disinformation campaigns in the press (let alone paid-propogandists such as Armstrong Williams or ideologues like Judith Miller).

If Thom says that Operation Mockingbird has no bearing on American democracy, or worse yet, denies that we should ask such questions of/cast such skepticism upon our American media sources, then perhaps Waldron & Hartmann's book should be viewed as an elaborately constructed narrative to "feed the Mafia-Did-It explanation" and "misdirect away from the CIA-Wanted-It explanation."


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niallmac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 10:38 PM
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4. Ha! Never heard that one...and I am definitely a JFK 'conspiracy nut.'
If I had a million dollars to spare and that is what it took, I would love to have a White House reporter ask Scotty; "So, did the Presidents father shoot JFK?...just askin."
Of course if Scotty said "That's an ongoing investigation..." I'd freak out.
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GrumpyGreg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-04-05 11:05 PM
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6. Do they actually say that about Bush Sr? Wouldn't that be
libelous?

I've heard lots of theories but that one beats all.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-05-05 11:30 AM
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8. There isn't one that I've heard of
& that theory is utterly ludicrous.

The new books this year are "The Ultimate Sacrifice" mentioned above, "Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why" by Gerald D. McKnight and "A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History" by Joan Mellen.

I'd be very careful with Mellon's book (but that's just my opinion), the Warren Commission critique is supposed to be very good if you haven't read anything on it before and you should read David Talbot's Salon review of "The Ultimate Sacrifice":

salon.com/books/feature/2005/12/01/review/index.html

This current thing of putting Bush in a central position in the assassination is frankly silly. He possibly played a small role in the Bay of Pigs prep and the "George Bush of the CIA" memo is genuinely intriguing but that's about as far as it gets IMO.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-04-06 06:56 PM
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9. OK, what about the one that came out last year...
...(I think) that was connected with a tv show and built a case that Johnson had him killed? I can't remember the name of it and really want to go back and read it. Thanks!
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