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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:37 PM
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Anyone considering giving liberal books
to republican friends/family for the holidays this year? What titles would you consider?

I'm thinking about getting a couple of books for my repuke mother. She needs to be educated, although I suspect she will sell them or worse, throw them away.

Title's I'm considering:

Economic Hit Man - John Perkins
Big Lies - Joe Conason
We the People: A Call to Take Back America - Thom Hartman
Dude, Where's My Country - Michael Moore
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wakeme2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:40 PM
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1. I like the Damning book from a Repug... Richard A. Clark
Against All Enemies...

PS Clark has a new "fiction" book out The Scorpion's Gate. I just brought it but have not read it :)
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:03 AM
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6. I recommend this tack - there are many books by Republicans that challenge
Edited on Wed Nov-09-05 09:03 AM by Richardo
...neocon thinking and policy. If the giftee is a Republican, they won't read Michael Moore or Al Franken any more than you would read an Ann Coulter or Sean Hannity book.

The Short List:

John Dean
Paul O'Neill
Joseph Wilson
Richard Clark
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:42 PM
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2. Jimmy Carters got a new book out if she is religious
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BL611 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-21-05 05:56 PM
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11. If she's religious
Try some of old neo orthodox christians like Niebuhr or Tillich, it just might blow her mind...
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:45 PM
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3. There's a new Al Franken book out
Don't forget to buy through DU if you use Amazon! (I go to an indie bookseller myself.)
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-22-05 10:05 PM
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12. He might be the best bet.
It's very entertaining, at least, though just as in-your-face as any of the other suggestions here.

I wouldn't get so aggressive with Rs, though. I wouldn't give a Cubs fan a book on the Yankees (or substitute whatever sports rivalry makes more sense), and the folks who most need the antidote wouldn't be able to receive it.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:47 PM
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4. Greenspan's Fraud-Ravi Batra
The Great Unraveling-Paul Krugman
American Dynasty-Kevin Phillips
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skrambledchaos Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-08-05 08:54 PM
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5. Hmmmm....
Moore is most likely to inspire a kneejerk rejection of anything in the book. I personally like Franken's "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them" (haven't read his latest), and it seems appropriate since it tackles a lot of the misinformation that might be causing otherwise good people to support a party that is, quite honestly, far from what I believe mainstream American values are. (I don't claim to be in the mainstream, but I don't think I'm as far left as the media would likely label me.)

I hope she reads whatever you get, and sees the light. Conversions are hard... I've given up trying with friends, so thank god my family is almost as left as I am.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:15 AM
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9. LOL! Well, yeah, Michael Moore is probably a bit much,
although I just finished his book "Dude, Where's my Country?" & I thought some of his points were excellent, expecially how the bin Lauden's were quietly whisked out of the country in the days following 9/11. I'm certain she doesn't know that. He also bashes the Dems somewhat.

I thought about Al's book, but he out's her beloved master, O'Reiley, for the liar he is. That may be more of a turnoff than Moore, even!

I think I will go with Economic Hit Man, the Thom Hartmann book (which I think should be required reading by everyone!) & John Dean's book "Worse that Watergate."

I do wonder if trying to enlighten her is worth my time. ~~sigh

Love your screen name! :hi:

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abluelady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:07 AM
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7. Absolutely
To the few who support this war: “The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell: An Accidental Soldier's Account of the War in Iraq” by John Crawford
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 09:33 AM
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8. Brilliant
Crawford has NO agenda in his book - it's as honest a look at ANY subject I've ever seen. He whitewashes and candycoats NOTHING - not even his own behavior.

:thumbsup:
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 11:09 AM
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14. I just ordered that for my son... he's in basic training now.
I want him to at least have an idea of what he is walking into.
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-09-05 11:56 AM
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10. Kevin Phillips "American Dynasty"
ex-Nixon strategist turned Independent will give what he says some weight.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0143034316
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pstans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-23-05 09:24 AM
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13. This book is a must for any Republcan
"On Bullshit" by Harry G. Frankfurt
One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much bullshit. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize bullshit and to avoid being taken in by it. So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern. We have no clear understanding of what bullshit is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves. And we lack a conscientiously developed appreciation of what it means to us. In other words, as Harry Frankfurt writes, "we have no theory."


http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?userid=hT6JYBaCsV&isbn=0691122946&itm=1
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Einstein99 Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 03:56 PM
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15. "Freethinkers: A History of American Secularism" by
Susan Jacoby (2004) is an outstanding book. Here's what Christopher Hitchens wrote about it in the Washington Post Book Section:

When the Supreme Court recently listened to debate about the words "under God" as they appear in the Pledge of Allegiance, it heard arguments from those who think that the expression endorses religion, and thus violates the "establishment" clause of the First Amendment, and from those who believe that acknowledgment of the Almighty is somehow beyond religion and/or no bad thing. What is generally overlooked is that the Pledge was initially composed without those two words, which were inserted only during the Red scare of the 1950s. Or to put it another way, the United States managed to survive two world wars, a depression and the first decade of the Cold War without any such invocation. Thus those who want the Pledge restored to its authentic version can claim to be acting as strict constructionists with a solid defense of "original intent."

The great virtue of Susan Jacoby's book is that it succeeds so well in its own original intent: showing that secularism, agnosticism and atheism are as American as cherry pie. Indeed, this is the first and only country to adopt a Constitution that specifically excludes all reference to a higher power. (I say "specifically" because those meeting in Philadelphia did consider, and did decisively reject, any such reference.) Many were the bishops and preachers of the time who warned that God would punish such profanity, but many were the preachers who said the same about the Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom, which did no more than state that no citizen could be obliged to pay for the upkeep of a church in which he did not believe.

Two of the great books of the 18th-century Enlightenment were Thomas Paine's The Age of Reason and Constantine Volney's The Ruins. Thomas Jefferson wrote in praise of the first and helped translate the second from the French. Abraham Lincoln read both, and we have his great colleague William Herndon's word for it that his own agnosticism was the result of Lincoln's persuasion. I think it could fairly be said, however, that American schoolchildren are not taught that Jefferson and Lincoln were unbelievers, or that Jefferson took a razor blade and cut out all the passages of the New Testament that he found offensive to reason or common sense -- leaving him with a highly condensed version. Elizabeth Cady Stanton, co-founder of the movement for female emancipation, was to develop this idea into the Woman's Bible, which blamed the religious mentality for the degradation of her sex.

The refusal to establish any religion, or state support for same, helped spare the United States the fate of Europe, where slaughter between discrepant Christian sects had come close to extinguishing civilization. It did not, however, prevent Americans from invoking the blessing of heaven on whichever cause they favored. The Rev. Timothy Dwight, celebrated president of Yale, denounced smallpox vaccinations as a blasphemous interference with God's design. The upholders of slavery claimed (correctly) that there was biblical warrant for the "peculiar institution." The abolitionists also warred in the name of the divine. The pulpits were just as much divided during the civil rights movement of the 1950s and '60s.

In lucid and witty prose, Jacoby has uncovered the hidden history of secular America, and awarded it a large share of credit in every movement for social and political reform. It's nice to read again of the friendship between Walt Whitman and Robert Ingersoll, the greatest anti-religious lecturer of his day. It's sobering to be reminded of how many states practiced overt sectarian discrimination, against Jews, Catholics and Quakers, even after the Founding Fathers had made plain their abhorrence of all such practices. And, of course, it is salutary to be reminded of how much plain villainy and stupidity has been promulgated from the platforms of the godly, many of whom would still like to retard the elementary teaching of science.

If the book has a fault, it is the near-axiomatic identification of the secular cause with the liberal one. Susan Jacoby has what might be called ACLU politics. To read her, you would not know that two of the most prominent intellectual gurus of American conservatism -- Ayn Rand and Leo Strauss -- were both determined nonbelievers. H.L. Mencken, who if not exactly a conservative was certainly not a liberal, had vast contempt for religion but is cited only briefly here for his role in the Scopes trial in Tennessee. Still, when Billy Graham can be asked to give the address at a service for the victims of Sept. 11, and can use the occasion to say that all the dead are now in heaven and would not rejoin us even if they could, it is essential to be reminded of our rationalist tradition -- and also of the fact that our current deadliest foe is conspicuously "faith-based."

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-25-05 09:10 PM
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16. I'd forgotten about that book
I heard her interviewed on the BBC last year or so and the book sounded fascinating. Thanks for jogging my memory.

(To return the favour - keep an eye out for a three part UK documentary series by Jonathan Miller called "A Brief History Of Disbelief". Wonferful stuff:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentaries/features/atheism.shtml )
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-19-05 05:14 PM
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17. For my mother, I chose these two titles:
Worse than Watergate by John Dean
Economic Hit Man by John Perkins

I am curious how she receives them. ;-)
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