Let Me Be The Turd In The Punch Bowl

[Dick_Tuck]

We lost. Lets be big and get over it.

What did we do right?

Kerry was our best candidate. His campaign wasn't perfect, but it was good. It wasn't like 2000, where the media jumped on the Gore is a liar bandwagon.

What did we do wrong?

We didn't emphasize the message about the economy, jobs, and why Kerry had a better plan enough. I'm saying enough, Kerry tried better than any other candidate. Republicans were energized by values.

What did the wingnuts do right?

They suppressed votes. They used challenges at the precinct level to keep lines long. They bundled hot button issues like gay marriage on the ballot.

What do we need to do now?

Define liberalism. Define liberalism as being synonymous with good government. Define liberalism as being in the best interest of working people. Learn from the right wing dirty tricks. What dirty tricks kept hundreds of voters from turning out? Bundling constitutional amendments, which were hot button issues?

Work local. It's a whole lot of fun to play big picture. It will work better if we work at local levels to get the best candidates, with the best plans, in the pool.

[Sirveri]

1. no, I know what we did wrong.

Abortion and gay marriage. The two STUPIDEST things in the world fucking killed us.

If Kerry had said, I think the states should decide on abortion, then we would have a easy Kerry victory at this point.

[Maddy McCall]

5. If he would have said that, I wouldn't have voted for him.

[Dick_Tuck]

10. Yes and No...

Gay marriage yes... It should be a state issue until there's a clear trend. I think that gay marriage should be a positive issue for liberals. It will just take some time to sell it.

Abortion? No way. Roe v. Wade is settled law. The way to talk about this is to show the reality. Under Clinton, abortion declined every year. Under Bush, abortion rates inccreased every year.

[RafterMan]

2. You can be the turd

but where is the punch bowl?

[Dick_Tuck]

11. I've been drinking straight scotch to get over this mess..(nt)

[RafterMan]

21. Heh.

I'm closer to the punch bowl than you.

Straight rum. Add an umbrella and I'm there.

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[Dick_Tuck]

9. I've already been Cheneyed, with no lube. (nt)

[Eye and Monkey]

4. Premature turd.

[Dick_Tuck]

22. I wish. The numbers suck. (nt)

[Eye and Monkey]

24. and you believe the numbers?

that there was no fraud? that there's nothing to be done?

[Maddy McCall]

6. You moron, the founders were liberals.

Pick up a fucking history book, why don't ya!

[Dick_Tuck]

12. No Shit Sherlock...

I know US and world history. I also know '94 and Newt Gingrich history. Liberalism has become a dirty word. It's like saying childbirth is a disgusting event.

[GettysbergII]

7. What we did wrong...

1)Let them fuck us the first time in the 2000 election.
2)Not boycott the rightwing media in receivership after 2000
3)Be polite and reasonable while the wingnuts play hardball.
4)Not draw a line in the sand.

[Dick_Tuck]

15. Lets see what AAR does...

Personally, I'm boycotting Sinclair, and will write several more letters everytime they try to grow.

[blackowl]

8. Creeping Cowardice

Now ain't the time to punk out. Ya gotta get rowdy, hit the streets, spread the word. No Amnesiac fugue. Remember the past. Another four years there may not BE elections in Amerika. That's the skinny. You're the Fourth Reich. Read the Revolution in Military affairs. It's all there. If Kerry backs down -- decapitate, organize horizontally. That's the future anyway: the grass roots.

[Dick_Tuck]

17. I've seen it swing both ways.

In Maryland, Sauerbray took to the streets. A pitiful Democratic governor OWNED her in the second run.

Fuck the street game, it's time to take it to the next level.

[klook]

13. Concede hell!

Not until all the votes are counted and verified will this thing be over.

[Dick_Tuck]

18. Yeah, and I still buy a lottery ticket when the expected value looks good.

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[Dick_Tuck]

20. I'm not trying to flame...

Get this into your skull. I've busted my balls trying to get Kerry elected. It's over. It's time to redefine strategy.

[Dick_Tuck]

19. This is differnt than 2000. (nt)

[NorthernSpy]

23. our credibility is on the line. if we won't fight for this now...

... then why SHOULD anyone trust us to govern the country?

Your vision of educate-the-masses, grassrootsy bliss simply ignores how people really think and what wins their respect.

People may squawk at us to quit, but the bottom line is that nobody respects a quitter. No one would have any confidence in a party of quitters.

If we want to have credibility, we have to put up a fight. Otherwise, how could anyone trust us to fight for them and the things they care about?