Jackson is on Crossfire now.

[Alizaryn]

Jackson is on Crossfire now...4:30 est

[wlubin]

1. Not only that, they said they were going to talk about Jessie's desire to

have the Ohio result overturned. should be good.

[noclonyofthechimp]

2. is that msnbc or cnn that hosts that show?

[ReneB]

3. crossfire is what channel please? sorry for my ignorance :) n/T

[New Earth]

8. oh god, it's cnn and this guy is making me want to puke

[noclonyofthechimp]

13. I cant stand this guy! He looks like he died years ago.

What a walkin piece of shit!:puke:

[jdj]

71. LOL, please post this stuff often

It's good to laugh in dire times.

I'll think of that every time I see Novakula from now on...
"He looks like he died years ago!"

Still laughing..

[noclonyofthechimp]

80. Tee Hee! It's all I can think of when I look @ him. Well......maybe

not ALL, I just don't want to get tooooooooooo nasty!;-)

[jamboi]

52. Which guy? n/t

[noclonyofthechimp]

81. Sorry.......Novak

[skids]

85. John Stewart on Novak

Funniest line all year, complaining that he hasn't been charged with treason:

"...and yet Robert Novak is still permitted to darken the phosphors of my TV set."

Me and my housemate almost choked on our food.

[noclonyofthechimp]

86. "darken" is putting it lightly. Like I said, "he looks like he died years

ago".

[wlubin]

4. CNN

[ReneB]

5. thanks n/t

[keepthemhonest]

6. let us know how it goes

I'm at work

[bmoney07]

7. me 2

Kick

[jsascj]

9. I HATE

Robert Novak...

He's so smarmy. And why hasn't HE gone before a grand jury?

[Patsy Stone]

10. "Well, it really just a matter

of who knows who...Then over here you got favortism" - Raising Arizona

[sepia_steel]

14. UGH

Jackson's not on yet...

But Novak needs his head impaled. Arrogant, condescending, b*stard.

[Stand and Fight]

23. Yeah

I hate that lying SOB piece of shit. He's so smug in everything that he says -- even though most of the time it is completely off-base and filled with lies.

[jsascj]

15. One of my favorite movies

Didn't think to apply it here.

[Patsy Stone]

17. I find that there isn't a situation

you can't apply that movie to. Really. Try it.
:)

[jsascj]

19. I HAVE used

"Son, you got a panty on your head" many , many times.

[Patsy Stone]

22. LOL

"Work's what's kept us happy..."

[Alizaryn]

12. yeah I would love to be in a room with him for 5 minutes!

[BlueStateBlue]

82. Why isn't he in prison yet? n/t

[New Earth]

11. this is gonna be brutal

i'm gonna end up throwing my tv aganist the wall. i know this guy is going demolish the idea of the election investigations.

[seito]

16. Jon Stewart said it best

Novak "a douche bag of liberty"

[tsuki]

18. Does anyone in the press understand that

it is an act of treason to out a deep undercover intelligence agent?

[nashville_brook]

20. eek! look at your post count! sign of the beast!

sorry, couldn't resist.

[Patsy Stone]

21. Another quote (not from Raising Arizona)

"Remember Jerry, it's not a lie if you believe it..." -- George Costanza.

[jsascj]

26. Apparently not...

If you're Robert Novak

[Plausible]

24. Someone please post what Jesse Jackson says

I can't stomach the traitor Novak and have banished CNN from my tv.

[jsascj]

29. Robert Novak

discussing how Nixon didn't contest because it wasn't good for the country.

JJ saying that all of the votes SHOULD be counted.

[Straight Shooter]

75. Bull-effin-CRAP!

Nixon didn't contest because his fingers were just as dirty from sticking them in the fraud pie.

So now Nixon's being held up as a paragon of virtue?

Oh, how the fallen become mighty :eyes:

[Alizaryn]

41. he said..

He said Kerry conceded to soon, the democratic party has a right to ask that every vote be counted and they have not been..Brought up the vote difference in different counties - that the electronic voting machines needed to be examined...spoke about the changes Blackwell brought about (wrong weight paper, changing of districts and rules). Represented himself well I thought.

[wlubin]

25. yeah that novak is a nasty SOB aint he.

[Stand and Fight]

27. What's the word?

What's being said??? What's being said???
:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Alizaryn]

28. He actually SAID possible electronic tampering!

[bmoney07]

31. in other world's this would be FRAUD

Go Jessee!!!

[saracat]

33. Unfortunately, Jesse wasn't that good. He

stumbled a lot and didn't seem to know what he was talking about. But it is great that he got us MSM exposture, and he is one of the few they would cover!

[noclonyofthechimp]

40. He doesn't speak very well, unfortunately

[sepia_steel]

34. YAYYYYYYY!

He said "If they can do it(ensure the accuracy of the vote) in Ukraine, why can't we do it in our own country?"

Also - "John Kerry conceeded much too soon."

(this may not be verbatim, but pretty close)

[New Earth]

30. wow that was good

they weren't too hard on him, and he made some of the most important points.. its definately a start!!!

[errorbells]

38. Agreed!

I think Jesse did a very good job of letting people know that the votes have not been counted
and there were/are irregularities.

[SueZhope]

42. What was really creepy when Novak

said something like , why would you want to put the American people through all that.

Any one catch that? in other words lets just except a stolen election ....to much stress for the people....it was like he knows it was stolen.....

[noclonyofthechimp]

46. I caught that and I thought Jesse would be all over him.

[errorbells]

48. Jesse

came back with the Ukraine being important enough.

[Generator]

50. Yeah why even PRETEND it's a Democracy

when we all know the Chimp in Emperor's clothing is going to always be the winner in the end.

[saracat]

53. Yeah. He actually said that the election was stolen by 12,000

votes in 1960, and Nixon "let it go for the sake of the country'! Please. Nixon couldn't expose Kennedy because he fixed his own votes in Californis.Everyone knows that. He couldn't out Kennedy without outing himself.So he chose to be a "hero". Blah.Novak basically said "The election was stolen, So, what? whats a stolen election or two matter'? That douchebag.

[jdj]

72. good. that there's a confirmation of the obvious.

shows they know WTF is up.

With Novakula saying stuff like this, Jackson's response is not important.

If he's saying this then he isn't shutting down discussion and that is because somewhere along the line he's acknowleged fraud DID happen. Hmmm, I bet Rove is gonna kick No Fact's ass for letting the whisper campaign get the better of him.

[tsuki]

78. But it's okay to put the people of the Ukraine through that? DUH?

Novak is "eyes wide shut."

[geo]

32. you go Jesse!!

Very successful interview. Let's see Zogby do another poll on who believes the election was fair after a couple of days of this kind of action. Very cool. :) - G

[DARE to HOPE]

44. It was GREAT!!

Jesse looked great, stumbled just a little, but got the details out about the gulf between the votes a local judicial candidate received and what Kerry received. He raised the whole issue, not only of fraud, but that the election REALLY ISN'T OVER YET!!

And you could tell by how Paul handled it--this is today's "drip." :-)

[Pirate Smile]

56. Did Paul say a word?

[Ducks In A Row]

59. I really hate this idea of "dripping"

the rethugs have proved so much of the public doesn't here dripping.

they only response to banging on top of the head

[ClassWarrior]

76. Why are we Americans so frickin' impatient?...

Why can't we be patient if it benefits us to do so? Why do we want it all NOW?

NGU.

[wlubin]

35. This marks that first big name on our side!!

[pipes]

36. Yay Jesse Jackson

Basically he says that we need to take a look at some of these things and he brought up the State Supreme Court Connelly thing. And he did say irregularities and electronic tampering!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

But these guys were almost asking questions as if Jesse had on his Tin Foil Hat...although I did not see one. But the crowd was pleased with what he had to say...

MSM here we come, thanks to Jesse Jackson!!

Go Get em Jesse---Raise Hell in the MSM

YAY JESSE!

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[wlubin]

39. I think Anderson Cooper is going to talk about the "Conspiracy Theory"

tonight as well on his 360 show. Did I hear that correctly?

[noclonyofthechimp]

43. what station what time?

[wlubin]

47. CNN 7-8pm EST

[noclonyofthechimp]

61. Great! Thanks! Then I'll go a couple stations down to K Oberman's

Countdown!

[saracat]

45. What is the deal with Begala?

His intro sounded fabulous. He sounded supportive and then with his question, he turned! "Surely you are not saying you'll find 146,000 votes and turn the election'? " I used to like Paul, but this is lockstep DLC.

[Alizaryn]

51. I think he was giving him an opportunity to say ..

That if the theories are right there WOULD be enough votes to counter that.

[saracat]

54. but he didn't say it?

[Alizaryn]

58. If I am remembering correctly he replied

That the objective was to make sure EVERY vote counted, who won was not the issue, we would not know that till everyone was counted.

[jamboi]

55. That is the usual way you can pre-innoculate your side against the charges

you anticipate from the other side. Sounds like he did a good job.

[wlubin]

49. Oh wait, the conspiracy theory on anderson cooper 360 is about UFO's

Sorry

[Quakerfriend]

60. The faucet's about to open! n/t

I sort of like the way Novak represents the Repugs........like the devious, lying scoundrels that they are.

[noclonyofthechimp]

62. darn..No problem. I am sure we will be watching more coverage of

this fraudulent election soon!~

[pipes]

57. Begala and Novack are MSM Whores

Both of these guys are towing the party line. I mean they asked him why he was contesting the election if Kerry had already conceded...he said, "I was working on voting rights before Kerry even decided to run for president.

Also they said, well if the Repubs didn't contest the election in 1960 when Kennedy beat Nixon by 12,000 votes why do the dems do it now when there is big discrepency? He said well 44 years later we should have the election thing corrected, don't ya think!

HAHAHA what a bunch of slumps, All MSM crapholes are going to go down with this because the people will understand that they are the ones who dropped the ball. The only one to survive will be our boy KO at the Countdown! Better make sure we watch KO tonight, I am sure he will lead off with this one! I bet he also points out that his pukey stupid colleagues are now starting to ride the gravy train....STUPID PUKE ROVE LOVING MEDIA HACKS!

[Stand and Fight]

63. Wonderful!!

Crossfire has a pretty good audiance. This should begin to open the floodgates!

[goclark]

83. Jesse Go! Jesse Go!

Finally, YOU,got us on Media Whore news.

Sounds like you did a masterful job.

It always amazes me when Bush stumbles,has an earpiece,slips on a pretzel,internets etc., they still praise him!

WE MUST do this for our leaders!
Praise, praise,praise!

This issue is too fragile for bashing of our leaders.

[saracat]

64. Unfortunately, even with this our chances can't be good.

I am wondering why Jesse agreed to the following. I cut it from the Yahoo article on Jesse and the recount.Am I wrong , or does it sound like we don't have a bat's chance in hell? 5 to 2 repug?



"An attorney for a political advocacy group on Wednesday plans to file a "contest of election." The request requires a single Supreme Court justice to either let the election stand, declare another winner or throw the whole thing out. The loser can appeal to the full seven-member court, which is dominated by Republicans 5-2.


Jackson said he agreed with the court filing planned by lawyer Cliff Arnebeck, who has represented the Boston-based Alliance for Democracy in other caseoo article on Jesse and the recount!

[Alizaryn]

67. I read that too but

It is just regarding "contesting" the election not "recounting", right? Well, if the recount shows "problems" that will take the contesting to a whole new level I would think. So not all hope is lost.

[saracat]

69. Oooh! I hope you are right! I read it as the whole kit and kaboodle!

but Maybe you are right! I hope so!

[Patsy Stone]

70. Here's the SC of the State of Ohio

http://www.findlaw.com/11stategov/oh/ohca.html

Your Ohio State Supreme Court Chief Justice

http://www.chiefjusticemoyer.com/
http://www.ohioroundtable.org/issues/judicial/moyer.html

OK, you can hate me, and I've only poked around a bit (not in the SC decisions, but in Moyer's bio) and he doesn't seem like a bad guy.

There could be stuff I missed, and he could be a "turd blossom", but remember back when Repugs weren't blood-curdlingly vile? I mean, I always disagreed with them, but until Bush the First, I never thought they were...EVIL.

Let me know if you find anything good...

[saracat]

73. I tried to send you a message but can't so here goes!

the following bothers me. It is true that he seems the least egregious of the lot, but still the money situation is bad and Moyers is not exempt!

Ohio court elections costly


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Report blasts secret-donor system

By Carl Weiser
Enquirer Washington Bureau


WASHINGTON - Ohio is the national poster child for supreme court elections dominated by big money and special interests, a coalition of watchdog groups said Thursday.

Winning a seat on the court now costs $1.85 million. More TV ads aired in Ohio in the last supreme court election - 13,105 - than in eight other states combined. About a third of those ads were from groups whose fund-raising is kept secret.

"The extreme amount of big money in this year's judicial elections will only reduce public trust in the judicial system," said Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who joined the groups at a news conference here.

In 2002, two Republicans running in Ohio far out-raised their opponents, outspent them on TV ads, and won their elections. Business groups supplied most of the campaign money for the two winners, Evelyn Stratton and Maureen O'Connor.

"America's supreme court elections could be degenerating into a succession of political auctions fed by big money and led by special interests," said the report from Justice at Stake, a partnership of more than 40 legal and citizen groups. "The 2002 campaign secured Ohio's reputation as a poster child."

Thomas J. Moyer, Ohio Supreme Court chief justice, said the report shows the need for a reform bill making its way through the General Assembly. Passed by the state Senate last week, it would require any group that airs an ad about an Ohio Supreme Court candidate to disclose contributors in the same manner that candidates must make public who has donated to their campaigns.

Donations don't buy or corrupt judges, he said. He has often ruled against his contributors.

But he acknowledged the perception that money influences judges. If the court's decisions are to be respected as fair and unbiased, that perception has to be addressed, he said.

"To me, that's fundamental," Moyer said.

A poll released Thursday found that 72 percent of Americans believed campaign contributions influence judges' decisions. The poll surveyed 1,204 adults in March and had a 2.9-percentage-point margin of error.

Eight in 10 said they supported forcing groups that air TV ads in judicial races to disclose who paid for them.

The report noted that Ohio's high court races now attract fund-raising techniques common to political races, including bundling - multiple contributions from a single industry or interest group delivered en masse to a candidate. It said more than 200 employees of Cincinnati Financial Corp. combined to donate $96,663 to the two Republicans in 2002.

Scott Gilliam, director of government affairs for Cincinnati Insurance, part of Cincinnati Financial, said employees gave without corporate pressure.

"We have many employees who in their daily jobs working for an insurance company in Ohio see the impact the Supreme Court has on our policyholders every day," Gilliam said. "They see the impact of court decisions and many of them chose on their own to become voluntarily involved in those elections."

While donors don't buy decisions, Moyer said, they do support judges who share their philosophies.

The court now has five Republicans and two Democrats. They are endorsed and nominated in partisan primaries but run in the fall on an officially non-partisan ballot. Terms are six years.

Four, including Moyer, are on the ballot this fall. Ohio is one of 29 states that will elect supreme court justices this year.

Ana Radelat of Ganntet News Service contributed to this report.





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[roseBudd]

84. I was at Jesse Jackson's Cincinnati rally this AM and the lawyer

Cliff Arnebeck has been videotaping sworn affidavits in Cleveland, Columbus and Cincinnati. Arnebeck impresses me as someone who know what he is doing. He stated today that they know that votes were shifted from Kerry to Bush in S. Ohio.

[saracat]

88. Thanks Rosebud. That is the only ray of hope I have seen

O8) You made me smile!

[jbond56]

65. hastily typed transcript

PB: ty wolf well it took JK about 1 night to decide election irregularities in OH were probably not severe enough to to change the vote count in that state or to give him the presidency. and so he conceded and almost a month later some people are wondering perhaps if JK made a mistake. questioning the results in OH and asking the state Supreme Court to consider setting the results aside. One of the leaders of the effort is my friend Rev JJ he joins us from Philly. good to see you again.

JJ: How are you good..

RN: Rev J I don't know if you noticed JK said that lets put this behind us theres no way we can make up enough votes in OH to carry the state ah you may not have noticed JK was the candidate you weren't the candidate why can't you go with JK on this.

JJ: I fought for the right to vote before JK decided to run for the presidency the principle is bigger than him. The election is not certified. 27 days later the count continues you know before the election even started there were 30000 people they sought to eliminate to say they had the wrong weight of paper. The judge over ruled that then the provisional ballot there were 155000 of them there not yet counted because in the spring of the year if you were in the county you could vote. They shifted it to you could only vote if you were in the precinct in Nov. but since they consolidated the many precincts it lead to much confusion. There are also 92000 unprocessed ballots so 27 days later the process continues JK conceded much to quickly.

PB: but Rev JK did lose OH reportedly by 136482 votes you don't really think there are 136000 more JK votes there do you.

JJ: well there are several things at work here. No 1 Ellen Connally ran for Supreme Ct the same election and in the Cleveland area Couyahoga County JK had 120000 more votes than she had. Down in the area of Butler Claremont and Warren she had 190000 votes more than JK that suggests that something went ah rie. thats what we need to throughly investigations for computer analysts to see if there in fact electronic vote tampering. All we know today is the counting is not over. And why would it be 2 weeks later and you not have a certified election.

RN: Rev J in 1960 election I covered ah the ah they stole the election from Nixon in IL and TX with a difference of less than 12000 votes and they took care of those very nicely but RN never protested R's never protested because in the interest of the country they didn't want to put the country through some thing so you surely don't want a oh ah something that will but some kind of question on whether who won this election when the difference is not 10-12000 votes as PB says 136000 votes.

JJ: Well we should be better 44 years later in the counting of an election. If we can protest an unfair election, a questionable one, in the Ukraine why can we have a good one here in our own country. The point is there are court suites being filled asking all votes to be counted. So far mister RN all ballots have not been counted. 92000 unprocessed ballots have not been counted 155000 prov votes have not yet all been counted. and so to expect all votes to count is a reasonable whether JK wins or loses let the winner win and the loser lose but count all the votes That is a reasonable democratic expectation.


Sorry for not using punctuation but deal with it. :>

[saracat]

66. Wonderful job! Thank you!

That was really nice of you. I saw the programme ,but I'll bet all the cube rats are thrilled!

[Hobbes199]

68. Thanks!

Kick.

[wantkerryin]

74. Thanks JBOND!!!! Love your work.

:kick:

[Straight Shooter]

77. "John Kerry did lose Ohio REPORTEDLY by 136,482 votes ..."

Smooth move there, JJ. "Reportedly." That's as good as saying, "We don't think it's true."

From reading this transcript, JJ did well. He didn't overstep any bounds, he didn't poke his finger in anyone's chest, he stated the case simply and didn't drag anyone into it or start any altercations.

Thanks for the transcribing!

:thumbsup:

[liam97]

79. Should Kerry

have the luxury to stay out of it just because its messy? People mobilized for him, donated and voted - can he just decide he wants out and stay away? I have no intention of bashing him at all, but if people's rights have been violated in the process of voting for his candidacy then he has a responsibility.

[Carolab]

87. Let's THANK JESSE!

Anyone have his e-mail addy?

Here's the Rainbow/Push e-mail: [e-mail]

[Debbie13]

89. Just emailed Jesse a big thanks

For sticking up for our democracy

[Lisabtrucking]

90. Government controlled media

I don't like to watch the government controlled media, but I will just this one time.

[EMunster]

91. ummm....think you're a little late....n/t

[cyn2]

92. This was yesterday. n/t

[Lisabtrucking]

93. Amy Goodman is my main media resource. n/t