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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:11 PM
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JK Supports Investigation Jesse Jackson Why isn't this Front Page News??
Kerry Supports Ohio Vote Investigation, Jackson says
http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/94...
by Steven Rosenfeld
November 28, 2004

John Kerry supports a “full investigation” into voting irregularities in Ohio, Rev. Jesse Jackson said Saturday, during a teleconference with media regarding a recount and legal challenge of the Nov. 2 vote.
investigation,” Jackson said.
“John Kerry supports a full He recently spoke with the Democratic presidential nominee and reported that Kerry said he conceded the race on the morning after Election Day because “originally, he was inclined to believe what he was told” about the results. On Wednesday, Nov. 3, Kerry said there was little chance he could close George W. Bush’s 130,000-vote lead with the uncounted provisional and absentee ballots.

Jackson’s brief remarks may be the first that shed some light on Kerry’s fast concession – a decision many supporters felt was too hasty. Jackson will be in Ohio today, Sunday, Nov. 28, to declare his support for a recount of the Ohio vote and for a broader investigation into voting patterns that he said were “suspicious” and could have given votes to Bush that he did not earn.

“We want to look at the exit polls,” Jackson said, referring to at least two non-partisan Election Day polls, by Zogby and CNN, which gave Kerry 53 percent and 51 percent of the vote, respectively. “We don’t want to be presumptuous, but these numbers in the Butler, Clarmont, Warren and Hamilton counties are suspicious.”

By suspicious, Jackson is referring to the latest analysis of the Nov. 2 vote by a coalition of Ohio voting rights activists. In analyzing the still-unofficial results, the totals reveal that C. Ellen Connally, an African-American Democratic candidate from Cleveland for Ohio Chief Justice, received more than 257,000 votes than Kerry.

In Butler County, for example, Connally had 45,457 more votes than Kerry. The reason these vote counts are suspect is because Connelly, a retired African-American judge, was vastly outspent in her race, and did not have the visibility of the presidential race. Thus for a more obscure Democratic candidate, farther down on the ticket, to get a quarter of a million more votes statewide than Kerry, suggests something happened to suggest there may have been a transfer of Kerry votes to Bush.

“This looks like a computer glitch or a computer fix,” said Bob Fitrakis, a lawyer, political scientist and Editor of the Columbus Free Press (http://freepres.org ) who has written about election irregularities since Bush was declared the winner. Fitrakis is among the team of lawyers who announced they would soon file an election challenge in the state’s Supreme Court.

“Statistically, Kerry, as the Democratic presidential candidate, should have more votes than Connally. In a presidential election, most voters have the priority of casting a vote for president and the votes for president are almost always much higher than those of candidates farther down the ticket. When voters vote for Democratic candidates farther down the ticket, it is usually being driven by a sample ballot from the Party, starting at the top with president. Many voters simply don’t vote for Supreme Court justices. It is highly improbable that Connally’s vote totals would be so much higher than Kerry’s,” Fitrakis said.

The fact that Warren County has such odd vote counts is no surprise to Fitrakis. “The Republican-dominated county threw out all the media and independent vote watchers when votes were being counted at the end of Election Day, claiming ‘homeland security’ issues. This would have easily allowed for the wholesale shifting of a large amount of votes from Kerry to Bush. If you’re behind closed doors, it is easy enough to do. The November issues of Popular Science and Popular Mechanics magazines show how easy it is to hack the vote and steal an election. The articles are called ‘E-vote emergency: And you thought dimpled chads were bad’ and ‘Could hackers tilt the election?’ I think they did,” explained Fitrakis.

Fitrakis said that when one looks at the Connally-Kerry results across the state, it becomes clear that Connally – who was on the Ohio Democratic Party sample ballots – was getting tens of thousands of votes in counties that were known to be Republican strongholds, until this year’s unprecedented voter registration and mobilization efforts.

There were 15 Ohio counties where Connally’s margin was 5,000 votes or more better than Kerry’s unofficial results. In five counties, Connally had a 10,000-vote margin or better. These counties used punch card, optical scan, and touch screen voting machines – with most using punch card systems.

This analysis is merely the latest that has been uncovered about how Ohio’s Nov. 2 vote was tilted toward Bush. Immediately after the election, there were reports that the number of voting machines brought to the state’s urban, Democratic-leaning precincts was deliberately shorted. There were numerous sworn statements from voters in urban areas that the voter rolls were old and out-of-date, forcing voters, many registered for years, to use provisional ballots – which get counted last or do not get counted at all unless the voter was in the right precinct. Voters also testified under oath about machines malfunctioning and recording votes for Bush when people believed they had selected Kerry.

All of these trends – plus the fact that the Bush victory did not jibe with at least two non-partisan exit polls taken on Election Day in Ohio – are behind Jesse Jackson’s trip to the state today, Sunday, Nov. 28.

Jackson will visit Columbus and Cincinnati to meet with voters, civil rights activists, ministers and others who are working for a full accounting of the Ohio presidential vote. Jackson said he hoped to coordinate these activities and his organization, Rainbow-PUSH, would join litigation seeking to challenge Bush’s alleged victory at the state Supreme Court.

Jackson also joined the call by many, from Common Cause to the Green and Libertarian Parties, for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell to recuse himself from tallying the state’s presidential election result, because he was co-chair of the Bush-Cheney re-election team in Ohio.

“We need to investigate, coordinate, litigate, recount and recuse," he said, referring to the legitimacy of the Ohio vote. “Mr. Blackwell cannot be both the owner of the team and the umpire.”

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Steven Rosenfeld is senior producer of The Laura Flanders Show on Air America Radio.




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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:13 PM
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1. Need I explan to you why thisis not front page news
We are the media... remember that
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:16 PM
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2. LOL!!! Yoda speaks much wisdom!! n/t
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:20 PM
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3.  I mean even on DU! Duh!
I know why it isn't on MSM. But with all the whining about Kerry not doing anything I would think this would be kicked! Or maybe Jesse doesn't count or even Kerry himself to our defeatist moderates who endorse rolling over? We have been screaming for a major Dem to come forward and for Kerry to give some kind of indication of what is happening, and when both things occur, no one cares?
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BlueCaliDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:26 PM
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7. I Care! I've Been Visiting DU Everyday *waiting* for this break...
...and I care a helluva LOT!

FINALLY, we're beginning to hear some "life" from our side!

I hear "Queen's" We Are the Champions, my friend...and We'll Keep On Fighting, 'til the end...We are the champions! We are the champions! NO time, for losers, cuz we are the Champions...of the World...

Sweet. :)
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:29 PM
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9. Now I get it, sorry
well I have seen way too many strains here and I suspect a recent influx of both DLC and Puke Tools, if you get my ahem, drift.

Remember that thread you posted, about things not quite right?

We are stuck... stuck I tell you... and this is but one more sign

People really do not want to see that maybe things are starting to move....

I felt that last night, after some Union people were arrested in OH... it was one of those, the other shoe just dropped in slow motion... and it will be a long lean and hard winter.

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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:52 PM
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44. Nothing to be sorry about !
I could have been more clear!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:49 PM
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16. We can't whine properly about the du-opoly if Kerry is seen as fighting.
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 04:50 PM by mzmolly
Or even supporting such a fight *gasp*

You see, it would tarnish the "democrats lie down like dogs" image so many here wish to perpetuate ... that's why it hasn't been kicked. Afterall, what fun is it to give any credit where credit is due damnit?! ;)
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:11 PM
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25. I been wondering where you been Mol...
Smartass. :evilgrin:

NGU.


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:37 PM
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35. Heh.
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 05:38 PM by mzmolly
I know, I know. Great quote in your sigline!

Guess I'm still a smartass, just full of l-tryptohpan and a movin bit slow these days.

How'z things?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:34 PM
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33. This should be Front and Center at DU and beyond...
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 05:35 PM by goclark
I want to see the video of the Rally today!
I want to email it far and wide.
We can be our own Web News Network.

Let's get ready to roll out as soon as we hear/see what Jesse said today.
The rally should be over, right?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:22 PM
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5. WRITE TO GOVERNOR TAFT
And tell him that his Secretary of State, and HE, by complicity, are OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE and are acting in WILLFUL OPPOSITION to the DEMOCRATIC PROCESS.

Remind him that HE is an elected official. Unless this election "process" is corrected, NEXT TIME, HIS position can either be decided by voters or by a "dictate" from the Republican machine. In short, he can answer to US or he can answer to THEM.


It's our DEMOCRACY, stupid!
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kitp Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:21 PM
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4. link wrong
not enough 4's

Link
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:35 PM
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34. Thank you-- I was wondering why it went to a story with a headline
"Hemp Food Stays in Stores"

:wtf:

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peabody71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:26 PM
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6. kick
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:28 PM
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8. Also Cincinnati Inquirer

Sunday, November 28, 2004
Jackson questions Ohio election tally

By Reid Forgrave
Enquirer staff writer

IF YOU GO
The Rev. Jesse Jackson is to lead rallies in Columbus today and in Cincinnati on Monday to encourage Ohio to seek an investigation of the presidential vote. Jackson is to speak at Integrity Hall, 2081 Seymour Ave., Bond Hill, at 8:30 a.m. Monday.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson plans to lead rallies in Columbus this afternoon and in Cincinnati on Monday morning in an effort to seek an investigation into the state's presidential election, which the civil rights leader claims had enough irregularities to warrant a closer look.

Saying the American voting process must regain credibility after the disputed 2000 presidential election, Jackson said the country needs more open, free and fair elections. An investigation of voting and vote-counting procedures in Ohio would be a step toward credibility, he said.

"We were promised this time that every vote would count," said Jackson, president of the Rainbow/PUSH Coalition.

Jackson cited several voting irregularities in Ohio as indicators that voting problems could be more widespread than reported. Among them:

• An error with an electronic voting system that gave President Bush 4,258 votes in a suburban Columbus precinct where only 638 people voted.

• Elections officials in Warren County who cited homeland security concerns for locking the media out of the Board of Elections office while votes were being counted.

• Large gaps between exit polls and actual results.

"We want to know how deep this pattern goes," Jackson said. "We have been continuing to pursue the outcome of the election with disturbing findings. ... We want a full investigation of these irregularities."

When asked why it was him, not the Democratic presidential candidate, who is demanding an investigation and recount, Jackson implied that Sen. John Kerry could become more vocal soon about an investigation on the Ohio vote or a statewide recount.

"Kerry was inclined to believe what he was told, and he was told the election was over," Jackson told a group of reporters in a conference call Saturday afternoon. "But now we're unearthing information that did not surface at first. I suppose the more information Kerry gets, the more you will hear from him."

Although a demand for a recount typically is not made until after the vote has been certified, Jackson and others, including the Green and Libertarian parties who have filed a lawsuit demanding a recount, fear that waiting until certification would not allow enough time for a completed recount before Ohio presidential electors meet Dec. 13.

The Ohio Secretary of State's Office has said certification should occur around Dec. 6.

E-mail rforgrave@enquirer.com


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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:33 PM
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11. Link, Sara?
NGU.


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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:38 PM
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12.  I don't know how to find it yet. I just copied a post when I discovered
it. There is an email in the article. And it is today's Inquirer.
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:50 PM
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17. that link is on this DU post
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x85045

When I read that in this mornings article I new something BIG was upon us..then this last article hits the JACK POT....I hope
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:32 PM
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10. The Corporate Media Whores, that's why.
As Nad says above -- BE THE MEDIA!!

NGU.


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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:46 PM
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13. I saw this on DU about an hour ago and started posting it to
other discussion forums. It is front page news.

I suggest we send it to the Networks disguised with as a freeper point of view commentary and see if we can get some Broadcast Media (CBS,NBC,ABC,NPR) and some print media (NYT WP) coverage

Include comments about Jackson being a tin-foil hatter, and Kerry living in a delusional dream land.

Refer to their previous dismissal of Internet conspiracy theories.

For Example:

Dear Peter Jennings;

It seems the Demo leadership has gone as whacky as the tinfoil hat wearers on the internet. Your story debunked these conspiracy theories but now, at this late date, it seems Kerry and Jackson are also embracing this fanasy and living in a delusional dream land.

How about a story on these nuts so America knows the truth?

Thank you,
JQC


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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:09 PM
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24. The MSM will quote your letter and dismiss letters in support of JJ and JK
IMHO, posing as a freeper or playing the devil's advocate are tactics we shouldn't use. Let's be clear and upfront about who we are, what we want, and what our motives are.

I'm just sayin'
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:32 PM
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32. They wouldn't quote my letter.
At least I don't recall Peter Jennings ever quoteing letters from viewers.

But Jennings would be faced with a consistency problem. Since he declared that people who find the recent election less than credible to be "conspiracy theorists" then that means that Jackson and Kerry are also "conspiracy theorists."

I seriously doubt he would say that though.

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Chasing Dreams Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:47 PM
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14. It is going to take a Kerry press conference with a "Major Announcement"
to get the MSM to bite. This first blow has got to be demonstrably bold, going beyond Ohio to talk about fraud and voter suppression in many states.

That's why I'm advocating that key witnesses like Bev Harris be there with Kerry, Edwards, and the entire Democratic leadership to tell the story. They need to challenge the MSM to cover the press conference in its entirety.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:48 PM
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15. Are you kidding?
Kerry was rarely front page news during the election cycle. The media still doesn't take the fraud allegations and subsequent recount efforts seriously.

This is great for us, because it allows us to find as much evidence as possible before going public without massive clouding of the issue by crazed punditry and incensed Faux News commentators. They have declared victory and moved on, giving us some breathing room to find out what really happened.

I say keep it off the front page as long as possible, and then hit them with a massive press conference that involves the entire Democratic Party national leadership before contesting the electoral college results. Such a press conference would have to be covered, and would require serious proof of wrongdoing. If we can find it, then we can contest the election credibly and raise serious doubts about Dubya's victory.

If we can't, then we will have to accept that they stole it fair and square.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 04:58 PM
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18. What is so freaking funny is that this
page has been completely lifted from the Nixonian play book (1960)

This is why this is so freaking funny
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:08 PM
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22. nadinbrzezinski
Edited on Sun Nov-28-04 05:19 PM by tasteblind
Hmmm. Do tell. I'm not familiar with Nixon's playbook, but I'm sure it would make for a fascinating read.

On edit:

I missed the 1960 before responding. The difference is that my scenario has the entire Democratic Party leadership crying foul. Did Nixon try that?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:02 PM
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19. The time is NOW!
We don't have anymore time to keep it off the front page! If Kerry , per Jesse is going forward, so should we. How long do you think we should wait? Until it is too late? This is an odd post.
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:13 PM
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26. I think this is the BIG one , they cant ignore....FRONT PAGE!!
You can hide a dead fish in bag for only so long sooner or latter it stinks so bad you cant help but take notice...Wake up America....from this day forward its out of Tin hat land
and will be main stream.......(my wishful thinking or reality?)
Any way i think its the beginning of a new day....and this JJ move will speak volumes
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:22 PM
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27. Not to invite the freeper charge...
I just think being under the radar of the national media might be advantageous. You are right though, that time is running out.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:09 PM
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23. That makes a lot of sense to me.
Welcome to DU, by the way.

NGU.


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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:31 PM
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31. Thanks.
I've been lurking for awhile, but recently decided to join the fray. I expect to be around for the foreseeable future, so hopefully people will give me the benefit of the doubt. They can check out my essays at www.votersagainstbush.com . They pretty much sum up what I'm about.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:44 PM
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37. Welcome, tasteblind!
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Chasing Dreams Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:29 PM
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40. It looks like you and I are on the same wavelength on the press conference
(#14)

When do you think they are going to go for it? Wait for Madsen story to shake out one way or another? we'll probably know by tomorrow if it's going anywhere.

Just a hunch: if Madsen is right then Wed Dec 1, the first day Ohio can certify results, would be a great time to go for it. This would put pressure on Blackwell to "certify" -- and recuse himself during the recount.

But if Madsen's story blows up in our face :-( , Kerry will have to wait a few days. I believe Blackwell has to certify by Sunday the 6th, so maybe he goes for it on Sunday or Monday night.
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:04 PM
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20. Repost From BBV: Why The Blackout
This link for article by The Denver Voice is a GREAT explanation why there is a media blackout. It explores the connection between Media News Groups ( a conglomerate of 94 newspapers, radio and tv stations) and the republican party.
I don't have enough posts to start a thread, But it really needs its own thread. PLEASE READ

Link: http://denvervoice.org/features/Nov_2004/who_is_the_denver_post.htm
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:06 PM
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21. Ummm. We know why the media blackout. I was questioning
the lack of interest in DU.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:29 PM
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29. Maybe it's not so much a lack of interest as it is a overdose on
disappointment. Every time something worthwhile comes along on the election, it's either not reported or if it's mentioned at all it's dismissed as some form of 'conspiracy' theory by the mainstream media sources. You know, only the liberal whacko nut cases with their election theft craziness again. We've been doing this dance for almost a month now, and we just can't get it through to the masses that this issue will effect this country for generations.

People, intelligent people who know how to use a computer and know that the mainstream US media isn't worth a damn, understand that they have to find alternative sources for their news. But we are not the majority.

Let me explain. I live in Omaha, Nebraska. The only thing anyone really gives a damn about here (except for a small segment of the population) is that the Nebraska Cornhuskers aren't going to a bowl game because the got beat by Colorado. Almost all of the people I know who belong in that category own computers. The only thing that they use them for is to send inane e-mails, look up porn or game sites or frigging E-Bay. If they read any news stories on the internet at all, it's the local media. And the Omaha Weird Harold is not noted for it's 'liberal' viewpoint. Most of these people have no clue that it might be a good idea to find news sources outside of their immediate area. And I can tell you for damn certain that most of them would never go to a news media site that was in a foreign country. So they wallow in their own little world.

And I don't think that problem is just one here in E-I-E-I-O Land. I think that's pretty much a nationwide problem. While you hear stories all the time about how the internet is going to be the 21st century outlet for news stories, most of the people here wouldn't be able to tell you the single name of a news source outside of Yahoo, and they'd be damn hard pressed to come up with that one.

So, if a story about something as important as the election fraud is to make it into the view of most of these people, it would have to be posted at a porn or game site, or E-Bay would have to be selling it on a grilled cheese sandwich.

WE DO CARE HERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. But we need to educate people, and they just do not want to be educated.
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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:02 PM
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39. all very true..and we
must start some were getting it in the MSM....at least most people know who Jesse Jackson is(they see him on the TV) .....they might here this..if the media reports it....but we know that Rove already has his people lined up with all the talking points....ready to go.
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dewaldd Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:22 PM
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28. THE FREE PRESS NUMBERS ARE WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I checked the Connally-Kerry difference myself. Kerry did not receive fewer votes than Connally. http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos//results/

All the numbers are BS.

Reminds me of Rather's memo.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:31 PM
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30. Read the Cincinnati Inquirer story.
It is not the free Press numbers that are important. It is Jesse supporting the recount after he originally said the election was fair.He has withdrawn that statement and, re his remarks so has Kerry. Dammit, Jackson's remarks are tantamount to a lead in for an unconcession. No wonder the WH had its panties in a wad and demanded the Kerry Campaign recognize the election was over yesterday!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:35 PM
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41. did the WH really say this?


. "No wonder the WH had its panties in a wad and demanded the Kerry Campaign recognize the election was over yesterday!"
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 07:49 PM
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42. Yup. It is here on DU . In an email to David Wade of the
Kerry Campaign for statements he made regarding the recount and in response to Kerry's video. It was in a Westchester NY paper. Northern News I think.
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cyn2 Donating Member (438 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 06:44 PM
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38. You are Correct
The numbers are wrong, but the impact of Jackson's words are all too fine!
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-28-04 05:38 PM
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36. saracat please read
In the future please limit your snips of articles to
4 paragraphs as per the Democratic Underground
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