We Need To Face Reality

[dmayo]

We put SO much effort into this campaign, so much energy. We are not going to win.

There is too much of a redneck factor in this country. We cannot win a presidential election without getting a decent amount of idiot vote. The last 2 democratic presidents have been southern guys. Unless the mindset of the nation changes, a northern democrat cannot win. Hillary in 2008 would be a fiasco.

People are scared of gays. They are scared of minorities. They think their morals should be legislated to everyone else in the country. Until their mindset evolves, we can't tell them their wrong. We can't point out the obvious hypocrisies. People don't want to hear it.
That's the nation we live in. I'm in law school and the more I learn, the more I realize how fucking stupid people are. We're right, but there's just not enough of us.

We will evolve eventually, but it might not be until we have a huge depression, or nuclear disaster or world war. Until we do, I'm gonna quit putting so much energy and faith in my fellow man and just make my way through this backwards country the best that I can.

I really do want to move from Oklahoma to some other state where I'm not completely surrounded by complete morons. Goodnight everybody.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

1. NASCAR is a bunch of right wing drunk Klansmen!

That's how I feel!!!

[Pale_Rider]

4. Don't worry ...

... they too will be affected by peak oil.

[Silent Tristero]

25. Ya know

Ya know, here’s a radical idea, part of the reason these red necked elephant humping inbred idiots don’t listen to anything we say is that somehow they get the idea that we feel all superior and look down on them, stupid dumbfucks (or as Word’s™ spell check would have it, jumbucks). Demonizing your enemies is one thing but alienating people whose support you need to further your political objectives is foolish. A most favored quote and one that is apropos for the occasion, win or lose:




Why should we love our enemies"?

The first reason is fairly obvious. Returning hate for hate multiples hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction.

Another reason why we must love our enemies is that hate scars the soul and distorts the personality. Mindful that hate is an evil and dangerous force, we too often think of what it does to the person hated. This is understandable, for hate brings irreparable damage to its victims.

But there is another side which we must never overlook. Hate is just as injurious to the person who hates. Hate destroys a man's sense of values and his objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false and the false with the true.

A third reason why we should love our enemies is that love is the only force capable of transforming an enemy into a friend. We never get rid of an enemy by meeting hate with hate; we get rid of an enemy be getting rid of enmity. By its very nature, hate destroys and tears down; by its very nature, love creates and builds up. Love transforms with redemptive power.

-- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

[SEpatriot]

2. I sadly must agree with you

Don't be discouraged and finish law school. Those of us left fighting the good fight need you. I live in a backwards place that my wife and I decided to leave as soon as possible (Alabama). The dark times will pass. Never give up.

[snoochie]

3. Reality is vote fraud.

nite nite

:eyes:

[liberDave]

5. I am disappointed...but I will never give up.

Never give up.

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

6. Actually the last 3 have been southerners

clinton carter johnson

[TheFarseer]

7. I say we dissolve the democratic party and start over

if we can't win this election we will NEVER EVER EVER win another election. A cantaloupe that is against abortion could beat any one of our candidates for president. It's over. It's been an good run. Maybe try calling it the labor party or the populist party. I'm upset. I'm going to bed. Goodnight to anyone who happens to read this.

[kokomo]

41. Gergen says the Democratic Party needs to move more to the center!

Then why did many call Kerry Bush-Lite?

I guess Democrats need to start wearing sheets, bashing blacks and gays, pushing prayer on folks everywhere, forcing women to abort in back alleys?

[AgadorSparticus]

8. turn the tv off. the fight is FAR from over. we will win. both OH & FL.

but you've got to turn that TV off.

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[Roland72]

13. Yep

n/t

[TimeToGo]

15. Don't buy that

I have never seen dems so enthused -- my first vote was in 72, and I can't imagine this scenerio. If they didn't steal it, then I can't get over the stupidity of the people. And if they did steal it . . .

[The Doctor.]

23. It ain't stolen yet...

But think of it this way...

We know this election was rigged.

And Bush could STILL lose!

It's happening right now. Bush's lead is shrinking by 2000 votes a minute.

[George 2]

10. I say we split up the country and let the red states go their own way

http://www.therationalradical.com/misc/redbluesplit.htm

[The Doctor.]

24. With their brand of foriegn policy?

We'll all wind up in Guantanamo.

[norml]

11. That's not it. It's the non stop republican infomercials

of their media of insult,and misrepresentation. It's everyday people who have been sold a false bill of goods.

[kokomo]

32. Fox, MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC have all done a good job for the Bushistas

[mazzarro]

43. This election have once and for all confirmed the absolute

need for pro-liberal tv and media network that is unabashedly liberal in its programing like faux is unabashedly conservative. I am furious that no liberal rich-fellow came forward to put such a network in place to counter the brainwashing that took place prior and during the campaign for this election. We had to fight Fauxnews, Sinclair, PAX and the not-too-balanced main media. If we have to successfuly counter these outlets then we'll need more that AAR to do this job.

[Rush1184]

12. KEEP FIGHTING!!!

We gotta hold on... NO CONCESSION!!! Fight till January if that is what this election takes!!! I don't need to stresss the importance of this, lets keep looking up and fighting... OHIO AIN'T CALLED OVER YET!!!

[marlakay]

14. Thats why kerry tried to play to the middle instead of the left

but obviously it doesn't work. I feel sad that we have a country that would vote for such a stupid evil man...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

16. What a bunch of whiners and quitters in this thread. Amazing....

When the going gets tough, you folks want to roll over and die.

Fine...don't come back.

[The Doctor.]

19. I'm with you Media...

Cut the shit people.

It is not over- what are y'all listening to Faux?
NBC?

They called the race in Ohio when the margin to execute provisional ballot counts is SHRINKING.

[The Doctor.]

22. There's been a shrink in bush's lead by 20,000 in TEN MINUTES!

It's NOT OVER!

[Chicago Democrat]

17. Im gonna move to Canada if Bush wins

Im gonna move to Canada if Bush wins

[alwynsw]

27. You said it again so I'll say it again:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x7825

[ever_green]

36. I'm considering it too

[Swamp Rat]

18. Geaux Kerry!

:kick:

[grasswire]

20. go to bed, sleep it off

We're not done.

[amber dog democrat]

21. We have to fall back and regroup.

I am not conceding ANYthing. But the key thing will be to figure out how I am going to respond. - Lets be selective regarding which fellow men we want to dedicate energy and faith to.

[digno dave]

26. I remember being flamed because i(and others) said no NE Dem could be

elected president these days. I guess it turned out to be true.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

29. Hey, sparky...it's FAR from being over. Pay attention to Ohio.

[digno dave]

30. It's not over, but i prefer *'s position to ours

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. And what position is that, if you don't mind me asking?

[strategery blunder]

44. I think digno dave meant *'s electoral vote position

and the fluffed up Diebold vote tally.

Digno dave, please clarify.:)

[tedzbear]

28. Good, so why don't we all become Repugs so we can win.

eom

[V Lee]

31. We have to remember ...

This election is but one battle in what will certainly be a long war, a war for the greatness, the future, and the dream that is America. If we truly love our country, we will never surrender.

I often think about the brave men who took up arms and fought against their government over 200 years ago so that they could make their dream of America a reality. They risked everything they had, and many gave their lives. In retrospect we look at them as heroes, but they were just ordinary people, like you and I. Ordinary people with an extraordinary dream, and the passion to make that dream come true.

If we are truly dedicated to the vision of freedom, justice, and liberty for all that America's founding fathers set forth, we must be willing to risk just as much as they did, fight just as hard as they, and sacrifice just as much as they did.

It will not be easy, but I believe that in the end good will always triumph over evil.

[0rganism]

33. Reality just went into Extra Innings.

Wait and watch and learn.

[Swamp Rat]

34. HAHAHAHA!!!

"Reality just went into Extra Innings." - goddam funny as hell!

[Borgnine]

40. Thanks.

I needed an alien lizard image tonight.

[ever_green]

35. I have to agree, Americans suck

We are a nation of rednecks. No matter how sick, backwards and caveman-like some of these people's views may seem, we have to acknowledge them, they won't vote for someone like Kerry.
I'm at a loss, what do we do? I can tolerate someone like Clinton and apparently so could the majority of Americans, where do we get someone like him?

[hahahey]

37. I agree *deep sigh*

and I'm from Ga. How embarassing.

[monobrau]

39. We'll continue to drag this country into the 21st century

Kicking and screaming maybe, but America will catch up to the rest of the civilized world one day.

[tomreedtoon]

42. Time to clean house in the Democratic Party.

Let's be honest. The party failed us. The "regulars" chose Kerry because he seemed moderate and nice. He was so nice, he was unable to persuade a lot of people to cross the aisle and vote for him.

We needed a more angry candidate, one who would fight and face down Bush. One with passion, vision and a fighter's instinct. The party didn't give such a candidate to us.

If the worst comes to bear - and even if Kerry manages to pull out a victory - it's time for the passionate people who posted here to clean out the Democratic leadership and install some people who won't compromise and weasel.

[ever_green]

47. Yeah!

It's true. I've always had a problem with the lack of passion in Kerry and lack of anger. He's actually said he likes Bush! I want someone who hates Bush and is angry with what he's done.

[Dover]

45. The REALITY is that this election was STOLEN.........AGAIN!!!

I can't believe you people don't get it! Even after 2000 and everything the GOP has done since. Are you kidding me?

You have bought their illusion. So that's the reality you chose, apparently.You've conceded the perception battle to their propaganda machine.

Of course, maybe you guys are here tonight to perpetuate that reality. I wish DU would restore the post counts so we can at least get a feel for how many newbies are responding this way.

[zara]

46. Barney Frank for President!

What a great, engaging politician.
What a one-way ticket to palookaville that would be.


Gotta love that old expression, one way ticket to palookaville....

on the waterfront?