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PotatoBoy Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:58 AM
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Someone fucking explain this to me...
Let me tell you what I think I know...then explain this crap to me.

Bush is for corporations. Kerry is for the middle class and the little guy. All of these tooth-missing fucking morons voting for Bush probably make up middle- and lower- class. So why the fuck would they vote for Bush, who has the upper-class and big business in mind??! I'm sure the idiot Bushies would say "Oh... this is nice!" if Kerry were elected, and they saw better healthcare options appear, and jobs more readily available. Aren't the red states BASICALLY DIGGING THEIR OWN GRAVES?!

Someone explain this to me before my head explodes. Thankyou.
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leftyandproud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:58 AM
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1. Maybe your view on things is skewed.
or maybe we have a lot of dumb people in this country.
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jeffrey_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:00 AM
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4. because they hate minorities and gays
no fucking message
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wackywill Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:02 AM
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13. You are absolutely correct
fucking rednecks!
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PotatoBoy Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:00 AM
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5. Is my view skewed?
If so, please tell me how.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:03 AM
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16. How about considering the idea that votes have been made to disappear?....
That sounds MUCH more plausible to me than thinking that all voters in Red States are idiots.
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usmail Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:20 AM
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31. I just don't know....
Most of the people I know who vote for the Repugs are small business owners. They just aren't going to vote for a democrat if they think their taxes are going to be raised.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:41 AM
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36. Then they're stupid & they deserve to go out of business.
Let's see how the continuing Bush economy will make their businesses thrive (!). And all the State & Local taxes that keep going up.

Glad that all those people dying don't bother them.
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:59 AM
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2. 3 words
GOD GAYS GUNS
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:01 AM
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Abortion. You forgot abortion.
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Child_Of_Isis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 12:59 AM
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3. People vote against their own interests.
I don't know why. But, I learned that little phrase here ;-)
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:00 AM
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6. They want a war.
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:05 AM
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18. This is lengthy - but it's about what may be happening.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 01:05 AM by Dr_eldritch
I've studied psychology for a very long time.

We think we see - but we do not.


The Real War.


The Human Race is in jeopardy. Currently, a vast war is raging unseen below the surface of our consciousness.

We believe we are engaged in conflicts for many different reasons and under the impetus of many ideals. For the most part, this is true.
We are at war in the Middle East for a number of reasons depending on whom you ask. We are at war here at home over issues of freedom, happiness, and values.
We are at war with economic forces that will spell our demise as a nation unless we all become economic warriors with the understanding that triage may become a very real necessity.

But there is a greater war, one from which all of these symptoms arise. It is the War for the salvation or obliteration of the human race.

I have come to understand, through study of human nature and human consciousness, just what fate humanity has mapped out for itself. I have come to describe my theory as “The Human Omega”.
No one can argue that humans are not an ambitious species. In fact, we know very well that humanity will ALWAYS reach for what it perceives to be within it’s grasp. It is because of this that we have come so far as a species.
I have no doubt that left to explore and flourish humanity will attain transcendence tantamount to true divinity. We will become our own God, made in our image and vice-versa.
We will reach forward to grasp new concepts, new ideas, and new technologies we are not now even capable of imagining. We will take hold of our own evolution. Whether it takes one hundred years, one thousand, one million… it does not matter; it WILL happen. Our descendants will become masters of time, space, and consciousness.

All we need do is survive.

One of the greatest hallmarks of the human race is the retention of knowledge. As we acquire the technology to retain information we utilize it – immediately.

Perhaps you are reading this on a website – imagine the amount of information that site backs up and retains. There may be a Library of Congress’ worth of posts, threads and information held in the server memory and backed up for permanent storage.
Now think of how much information was stored only thirty years ago. A fraction of a fraction of what we store today. How will we preserve everything we want to?

Our divine descendants may well deal with that too, but their methods know no boundaries we can imagine. As masters of time, space, consciousness, and perhaps a number of other curricula we cannot imagine, why not save EVERYTHING?

The trend toward this human destiny is utterly inexorable. Having studied how the human race reaches in all directions; around the globe and ever further into the farthest reaches of space, into the future and farther into the past than even the origin of life on earth. As we delve ever deeper into ourselves, there can be no question we will one day achieve divinity.

Should there exist even a shred of human curiosity in our descendants (Considering curiosity drove them, I imagine more than a shred will persevere.), they will most likely preserve every consciousness that has ever existed.
Everything will be preserved, perhaps they will have no need for machines, or their machines are woven into the very fabric of the universe; but every event, every dream, every thought, every blade of grass ever to exist, everything from the very beginning of time until the end will be forever preserved in living memory.

If this seems far-fetched to you, try to explain an automobile to a Neanderthal.
I don’t understand how these things would work any more than he would understand what makes a Porsche run… but he can understand what it does.

So when a consciousness passes from life, it finds itself with access to every bit of knowledge in the universe. Even yours.
You will awake to know everything, and to be anything.
The vast loop of the continuum will be closed, linear time will become meaningless, and we BECOME divine… We achieve the Human Omega.
For all intents and purposes – this may already be the case given that time is not linear.
We cannot know what philosophy our descendants will operate on, we can only know that we will not know or understand it until we rejoin the Omega Consciousness. We can pretend all we want to be right or moral, but there will certainly be more to the truth than second-guessing the will of God.

This brings us to the Great Fear.

There is no question that we are in pain. We witness the atrocities we visit upon each other, the tortures, the injustices... so much pain.
It is said that those who do evil do so because they are in pain.
One cannot imagine a pain they have not felt, but they experience the pain they have caused.
This then becomes a cycle; The Tormentor is in pain because of the pain he has caused. He does not realize that his pain is self-loathing. He seeks to cause pain to punish himself. The Tormentor turns his pain back into anger that seeks to inflict pain once again.
This pain is unfathomable, but it does not merely reside in the individual, it pervades the human super-, sub-, and unconscious. It is passed around from person to person, culture to culture, generation to generation.
Like a virus, this pain begets itself perpetually; it will not perish until we rise above it.

Just like Jesus said.

But ‘it’ does not want that.
Without getting into Human Superconscious Theory, this is best explained by saying that this vast human suffering has taken on a life of it’s own. Somewhere in the interface between this vast suffering and human empathy, there has evolved a disturbing dissonance, which has yielded a self-sustaining entity.
Pain begets not only pain, but the methods of its continuation as well.

There is an operative effect on the human psyche because of this pain. There is fear.
This fear is so deeply embedded in our racial subconscious that it too has a ‘life of it’s own’.
The fear is of spending eternity with the pain we have caused.

We know that there are one of two ultimate outcomes for the human race.

One is the transcendence of humanity by constant growth and enlightenment.
The other is absolute Oblivion

The pain we are in is the cumulative screams of millions upon millions tortured alive, the tears of a child who didn’t want to die hungry the day the death squad came, the mother putting a plastic shopping bag over the head of her baby to futilely try to save it from the poison gas as she succumbs to a rasping death.
There is a great awareness of this horrific torment, both in the victims, and in the tormentors.

This is a pain so great it begs for Oblivion. To forget forever, to have never been is it’s only desire.

This pain has been at war with our destiny for thousands of years.

Should the Human Race survive, this pain will be preserved forever in the consciousness of The Human Omega.
Should the Human Race be extinguished, there will be no Human Omega, and we will all descend into the soft, eternal nothingness of oblivion.

This vicious agony has not sat still and waited for us to extinguish ourselves, nay – it has spent countless centuries engineering our demise.
Through the human subconscious it has worked to trigger our own undoing, and these are the times it has been brought to bear.

Being so imaginative, we have tried to devise methods to explain the world around us with little or no empirical rational.
Religion was one of those methods.
When we developed empathy as a race, we had to find a way to justify taking the life of a screaming animal for our own sustenance. We developed more humane means of doing so and also ‘told ourselves’ that a higher power said it was ok to do so.
Our survival was that ‘higher power’.

But we took religion, which has roots in Human Superconscious understanding, too far.
We let the pain in.

We created the ‘Deadly Meme’ of our own destruction.
For over a thousand years, huge portions of the human race have invested their faith in the end of the world.
Such a powerful impetus as faith extends far beyond and much deeper than the empirical actions of the faithful.
This notion of the ‘end of the world’ has been invested in by so many – it may be impossible to stop it.

Because of a number of books written from the perspective of this pain, we may not survive as a race.
There can be no doubt that the anger of ‘fire and brimstone’ and the ‘Wrath of God’ were not written out of enlightenment, but rather out of the realization that there was so much wrong… so much pain. These writings had such beauty and wisdom, they were accepted as carte blanche and absolute truth, and therein lies the danger.

This belief in the end of the world has fueled the actions of so many of our leaders. They are so certain Armageddon is upon us that they have no intention of preserving our resources or our restraint. They have been fooled into believing that their actions are divine and that the destruction of the Human Race has no impact on achieving divinity.

They have been deceived by the greatest deceiver ever. They have been fooled by that which they believe they are waging war against.

They will go to any lengths to carry out it’s will by lashing out at the agony and creating more. This cycle will wind itself into a literal firestorm of extinguishing rage.

We must not allow these things to occur, we must not allow our leaders to take us into a holy war in this age of mass destructive capability.

For then surely we will embrace oblivion.

Dr. Garth Eldritch


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Ivanov Donating Member (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:00 AM
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7. I dont understand either!
There must be corruption going on!
How the hell can this be happening?
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:07 AM
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21. Of course it's corruption...
The Diebold machines that determined this election are made by Right-Wing fundamentalists who want a holy war.
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Hobarticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:00 AM
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8. If you can solve this, the WH is yours.
Just wave some red flag social issue around, like gay marriage,a nd all is forgotten.
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The_Camp_Ninja Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:02 AM
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15. Explain
Corporations employ people.
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:00 AM
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9. Living Poor, Voting Rich
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/03/opinion/03kris.html?hp

In the aftermath of this civil war that our nation has just fought, one result is clear: the Democratic Party's first priority should be to reconnect with the American heartland.

I'm writing this on tenterhooks on Tuesday, without knowing the election results. But whether John Kerry's supporters are now celebrating or seeking asylum abroad, they should be feeling wretched about the millions of farmers, factory workers and waitresses who ended up voting - utterly against their own interests - for Republican candidates.

One of the Republican Party's major successes over the last few decades has been to persuade many of the working poor to vote for tax breaks for billionaires. Democrats are still effective on bread-and-butter issues like health care, but they come across in much of America as arrogant and out of touch the moment the discussion shifts to values.
<snip - more>
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rocketdem Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:00 AM
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10. There are two types of Repugs.

Those who shit on other people and those who apparently enjoy being shit on.
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JPace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:01 AM
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11. They are ignorant and vote against their own best
interests because repugs make them feel morally superior.
It works, but it will stop when these people get soooo
damned poor from what is going to happen in the next four
years if furious george gets in again.
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:01 AM
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12. Bush voters are idiots, racists and religious nutjobs
or maybe I'm just bitter.

No, they ARE idiots, racists and religious nutjobs

and maybe I'm bitter, too.

But Jesus, who wouldn't be bitter living in a country filled with the aforementioned idiots, racists and religious nutjobs. I mean, sheesh.
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will work 4 food Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:04 AM
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17. someone said it
God Guns and Gays. That was Bush's message. The AWB and the stupid fuzzy tax math, Marriage ammendment...etc. We are back in the fifties, but this time we are broke.
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Wink Donating Member (497 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:02 AM
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14. Embarrassed for country
I'm from Illinois and pretty proud of it considering how stupid the majority of the rest of the country is. I'm sick of sending my tax dollars to these dumbfucks in Hillbillyville Mississippi and Cletus Junction Alabama so they can stab our country in the back and vote retards into office. I wish I would win the lottery so I could leave this fucked up country.
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AverageJoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:05 AM
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19. I get your point,
but I just moved from Mississippi to Alabama. There are a lot of good folks here. Unfortunately, there are a lot of Republicans, too.

Here's a hearty handshake to you from the Southland....

Screw the Republicans everywhere.
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CindyDale Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:08 AM
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22. Hehe
God bless you, Wink! I love y'all in Illinois! You are the best. I wanna leave, too!

Cindy in Florida
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InhaleToTheChief Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:06 AM
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20. Guns, god, gays
It's the stupid issues, stupid!

I'm starting to wonder if I really want to be here...
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:08 AM
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23. because the assfeckers go around and scare the hell out of them
by telling them shit like how Kerry is going to close the gold mines in Nevada down and the blue collar temporary mining grunts and their families living in asshole enclaves like Elko and Carlin in Nevada get all scared and forget that the rumors were started by the mining executives who run the international gold mines on our public lands and they don't want to pay the US jack shit but temporary jobs that pay toothless idiots withouth high school diplomas $60,000. a year. That's one scenario.

Then they run over to Wyoming and Montana and Utah and tell them that Kerry is going to close down all the ranches on public lands and that Kerry is going to let gays marry and fornicate under the same name, and that they will all lose their blue collar jobs. Utah has one of the highest unemployment, underemployment rates in the country, high bankruptcy, most of these people believe someone owes them and they went for Bush. That's another scenario.

And then there was the idiot hotel desk clerk in Vegas last week who said, gee, this is the first election that I don't know who to vote for. Maybe Bush. I ask her, "you make less than $30,000. a year right?" She says right. I say, "thanks for bending over for Bush and paying for his war in Iraq for oil. You're more giving then the top 1% in this country. She looks at me with caa-caa in her eyes.

Here's another scenario. Most people are simple. They think they are patriotic if they support a shit kicking, smirking, smart mouth cowboy from Texas who goes to church on sunday for forgiveness and don't never screw men bending over other than in their wallets. A real guy. I don't know what else to say. It's all an illusion. Faith.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:14 AM
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24. Here's the explanation
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kdmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:14 AM
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25. "Aren't the red states BASICALLY DIGGING THEIR OWN GRAVES?!"
Please stop saying it like that? Please? "The Red States" make it sound like EVERYONE in the states that Bush won wanted that. That's one of the problems with the "Winner Take All" system we have. Yes, the people in "the red states" that actually voted for that asshole are digging their own grave, but not all of us did.

I imagine that people that post here that live in "the red states" are feeling basically like I am right now. Devastated! Especially if they live in Florida and Ohio, the only two states that the exit polls managed to project the wrong winner. And coincidentally, the only two states that the "liberal" media set up before hand as the "states to win in order to win the presidency".





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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:18 AM
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28. they look forward to their graves...
...once their body lands there, their soul is off to be with jeebus.
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PotatoBoy Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:22 AM
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32. Sorry..you know what I mean..
I know. We here in Illinois had our share of idiot repuke voters.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:17 AM
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26. if your logic is correct, then conversely...
... why would a bunch of people who own $300k+ houses and have hefty salary vote against their financial interests and pick Kerry? Just curious as thats the way my neighborhood has been going - at least 10:1 ratio of Kerry to Bush signs and similar talk among the people.

Or perhaps it is about more than self-interest...
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Kimber Scott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:17 AM
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27. Nothing matters but gay people and abortion. That's what this election
was about. Who cares about 1200+ US soldiers dead, 100,000k Iraqis, being on the verge of global warfare, not being able to afford to fill our gas tanks, no wmds, and Osama bin Laden still free to plan and plot. Only gay people and abortion matter.
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:19 AM
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29. Polishing the brass on the Titanic
... this country is going down hard.
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shivaji Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:22 AM
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33. Explanation of why * won is very simple......
it's the same stupid reason why people buy lottery tickets...
they want to be dreamers to become rich. The reality is 99.999%
will not get there. It's the same BS with the repugs....they give
false hope to the people that they can be rich if only they work
hard, they too will earn more than $200,000 per year. That's why
the tax increase idea of Kerry back fired. It's all a mirage.
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quaker bill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 01:29 AM
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34. They do not get it yet.
It is really just that simple. I was there working a polling place for Kerry in the south. I know it just sucks. But they actually believe that raising the taxes on the rich will hurt them.

Yes, you are correct that they are just idiots, but unfortunately their votes count just the same.
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