Precincts with only 21 votes in Cuyahoga, OH:218,981 less votes '00 to '04

[gasperc]

My e-mail to the Cobb campaign and the Berkley group, hopefully it starts a chain reaction.

Hi Ms. Serpe,
I am forwarding spreadsheets that I have assembled from the canvass data on the Cuyahoga county website (data was cut, pasted and parsed from the Cuyahoga county website, please feel free to double check the data). Several huge discrepancies I point out are the huge drop in voters between 2000 and 2004 in Cuyahoga county which does not seem to be explained by people moving to surrounding counties. Also the fact that in over 25 precincts there were cases of 0 votes, 8 votes, 20 votes where in surrounding precincts there were upwards of 600-700 voters. Did the machines in these precincts malfunction? Were the precincts closed? Why did neighboring Clevelanders wait 3-6 hours in line??? As my spreadsheet shows all the precinct vote totals reconcile to the numbers submitted to the state on 11/8/04.

Also, for the sake of clarity, the reason some wards or cities had votes exceeding the registered voters was because the county added absentee votes to those totals to expediate the release of unofficial vote totals. However, as far as the canvass report shows, the precinct and absentee vote totals reconcile with the numbers submitted to the state. So let's get that issue off the table to avoid an attempt to confuse matters. But that said, it does not explain the huge voter drop off of voters from 2000 to 2004 and the precincts with 0 or less than 100 votes. This matter needs investigation. And a few calls to some of these precincts could blow the lid off the story. Maybe some of the precincts were just closed or other issues but there is 25 or more to look into. And guess what 25 times and average of 700 missing votes is? Over 17,000 votes. And who knows where the other 218,981 votes from 2000 went.

Gasper
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 11:54 AM
To: '[e-mail]'
Subject: Ohio vote problems

I found your report on the Ohio and Florida vote irregularities very interesting. However, your team left out the glaring fact that 218,981 fewer people voted in Cuyahoga county Ohio between 2000 and 2004. When looking at Cuyahoga's surrounding counties Lorain, Lake, Medina, Summit and Geauga the vote totals all increased in those counties by about 140,000 voters. However, on average, the voter turnout increased in those counties on average by 6% explaining many of those votes. So where did Cuyahoga's 218,981 votes go??

And what about the 25 or so precincts in Cuyahoga county that had 20, 30 or even zero voters, while surrounding precincts had hundreds of voters and 3-6 hour lines with people waiting to vote.

I attached my files where I have been looking close at the canvas data from the county.

Precinct BADNARIK BUSH Kerry other other
2712 CLEVELAND 13L(sample of typical precinct) 0 94 355 0 0
2713 CLEVELAND 13M(sample of typical precinct) 5 99 427 0 2
2714 CLEVELAND 13N(sample of typical precinct) 4 97 456 0 1
1231 BROOK PARK 3-A 0 0 0 0 0
1916 CLEVELAND 5P 0 8 21 0 3
1921 CLEVELAND 5U 0 0 19 0 0
2003 CLEVELAND 6C 0 1 45 0 0
2005 CLEVELAND 6E 0 0 10 0 0
2024 CLEVELAND 6X 1 0 41 0 0
2124 CLEVELAND 7X 0 2 51 0 0
2206 CLEVELAND 8F 0 2 46 0 0
2715 CLEVELAND 13O 0 5 44 0 0
2725 CLEVELAND 13Y 0 4 13 0 0
2726 CLEVELAND 13Z 0 7 14 0 0
2803 CLEVELAND 14C 0 0 4 0 0
2804 CLEVELAND 14D 1 0 1 0 0
2902 CLEVELAND 15B 0 17 70 0 0
3003 CLEVELAND 16C 0 9 20 0 0
3202 CLEVELAND 18B 0 15 18 0 0
3301 CLEVELAND 19A 0 0 8 0 0
3941 EUCLID 3-A 8 21 37 0 4
4112 GARFIELD HTS 1-B 0 3 54 0 1
4131 GARFIELD HTS 3-A 0 8 10 0 0
6032 OAKWOOD 3-B 1 10 31 0 0
6042 OAKWOOD 4-B 0 1 14 0 0
6431 PARMA 3-H 0 14 9 0 0
6724 RICHMOND HTS 2-D 0 3 5 0 0
7320 STRONGSVILLE 1-J 0 13 15 0 0

[On the Road]

1. gasperc, Do You Have Polling Place Data from 2000?

I did some work with the polling-level data for Cuyahoga County on this election. It would be interesting to compare at the lowest level possible.

[gasperc]

2. no, but use google

that's how I have found the Cuyahoga website. The data is out there I'm sure of it. I'm hoping the Cobb campaign will be able to call some of those precincts in Ohio and see what really went on.

If your thinking to compare the 2000 and 2004 votes precinct by precinct that's an excellant idea. I'll try to private e-mail my excel files to you. This takes so much time but I'm driven by every death I hear or read about in Iraq.
I told a friend about what I had discovered and he felt that although he voted for Kerry, a vote scandal could be devastating for the economy and that Bush's re-election was probably for the better since the market doesn't like uncertainty. I respectfully disagreed and although I am in reality that a Kerry Presidency would be difficult with a Republican congress, the Bush administration's policies are so egregious and diasterous that change is necessary. And if Bush's re-election was obtained fraudulently then all the more reason that very corrupt and dangerous forces are at work operating solely under the principles of greed, gluttony and domination.

[dewaldd]

73. You should call, not the Cobb campaign!

Here's the directory: http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/boe/index.html

The Cobb campaign is too busy with just organizing the recount. This is our responsibility.

[gasperc]

3. Please keep kicked

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[gasperc]

8. kick

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[electropop2]

4. Holy Toledo!

I can't believe nobody else has caught this! It's a major problem!

[gasperc]

5. I sent it to the Cobb recount effort, the Berkley group

I'm sending it to the Ohio Democratic party to have volunteers look deeper into the low votes in the 25 or more precincts.

[noamnety]

6. I've seen the zero vote deal a lot

I figured it was because some polling places were closed, or precincts were combined. No?

[gasperc]

7. I just don't know, but 8 votes in one precinct, 21 in another??

alot of weirdness

but why were there 218,981 fewer raw votes in Cuyahoga from 2000 to 2004??

[kerry2win]

70. excellent post thanks..I was in the 19-a location

it was packed ...someone has some splaining to do.

[gasperc]

76. OH MY GOD!! ONLY 8 VOTES RECORDED: YOUR A KEY!!!

I have forwarded my information to Keith Olberman. You need to call or write his office immediately.

THIS IS THE KEY TO BLOW THIS STORY WIDE OPEN!!!!

The data I cite is the raw data vote used in the data submitted to the state. 8 and only 8 votes were sent to Ohio state from precinct 19A.

WOW

All I can say is WOW, where is this going to go!!!

[kerry2win]

89. I know there were 3 tables of 4 workers

asking if you were at the right table. I didn't notice letters on the tables until then thats when I looked for the "B" table, I assume the other 2 tables were "A" and "D" from what I found out this evening. all the tables were full of people waiting to vote ...this was at 6:35 AM.....GOD I hope this is real!!!

[gasperc]

94. Your site may have held 19-A,B,C

But from the vote totals on the canvass report it doesn't explain the long lines you were seeing. 563 people ALL DAY, over 14 hours that's only 40 people an hour!!! That won't create long line unless there was only one voting machine even still.

precinct, Badnarick, Bush Kerry
3301 CLEVELAND 19A 0 0 8 00
3302 CLEVELAND 19B 0 44 161 00
3303 CLEVELAND 19C 0 28 330 01


From everybody's posts and great help, we may be closer to the 17,000 missing votes that I postulated in my original post. The large 218,981 voter change may have been erroneous data from the Berkley data file. I'm gonna check that shortly.

[smartvoter]

9. This is how the arguments get fuzzy...

They'll say people moved from the county and that Ohio recorded XXX more votes than in 2000. (I don't know the number.) This is why the stats game is so hard to prove.

Detail like this list you presented is essential to making a case.

[PeterPan]

10. excellent work!

could you provide links for your data?
thanx!

[gasperc]

11. you can get the entire canvass report

from the Cuyahoga county website. The Berkley group put together a great excel file with 1996, 2000, 2004 data that you can download. I have figured out to send attachments. And I'm a little leary to send my e-mail out even in a private message. I did e-mail my files to the Cobb campaign, the Ohio Dems, Josh Marshall to investigate further.

The reason I started this was to figure out the votes over registration issue. That was easy. But thankfully I didn't stop and probed deeper, precinct by precinct. And the 218,981 missing votes blew my mind. And the Berkley paper didn't even mention it. At least I pulled out a map to see if it was plausible that 218,981 people left Cuyahoga county. I don't think it happened. But get this the registered voter numbers were changed so that percent wise Cuyahoga county showed a turnout inceased. Fning sneaky or what!

[dewaldd]

74. How do I get the Excel files?

[gasperc]

79. I cut and pasted the data from the text file on the website.

I'm going to get in touch with the admins

The Berkley study has excel files you can download. The more people and time we can devote to this data the better. Be creative and original, compare various aspects of his, try different types of plots so that ideas pop out at you.
After I resolved the votes over registration question I kept pushing myself. Where did all these voters come from? Were they dormant Republicans like the media keeps trying to beat into my head? Are the Republicans abusing the fact that over 50million people DID NOT OR WOULD NOT VOTE!!! Never in presidential history did the incumbent and challenger increase their vote totals, always the voters switched from one side to another.

[PeterPan]

14. i found the links for cuyahoga canvass reports

2000 cuyahoga county canvass report
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/boe/results/history/2000/110700_GE_Canvass.txt

2002 cuyahoga county canvass report
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/boe/results/history/2002/050702_PE_Canvass.txt

2004 cuyahoga county canvass report
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/history/2004/EL52.txt

[momzno1]

15. Is there any pattern with method of voting in the low number precincts?

Are they all optiscan,or punch card, or what? There was a thread somewhere that talked about weight of punchcards being different and the machine not reading them, also of optiscan machines not being calibrated to read the votes. It would be interesting to see if these precincts with very few votes have these problems.

[gasperc]

80. GREAT, thanks for posting those links

I been to busy to enhance the post.

[Shameless Agitator]

12. kick

[gasperc]

13. kick

[momzno1]

16. kick

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[sabra]

17. Nice Find, Here's One 2k Comparison

From your findings

Precinct BADNARIK BUSH Kerry other other
2712 CLEVELAND 13L(sample of typical precinct) 0 94 355 0 0
2713 CLEVELAND 13M(sample of typical precinct) 5 99 427 0 2
2714 CLEVELAND 13N(sample of typical precinct) 4 97 456 0 1
1231 BROOK PARK 3-A 0 0 0 0 0
1916 CLEVELAND 5P 0 8 21 0 3

So I looked up CLEVELAND 5P from 2k, and got this...


TOTAL ABSENTEE LIB BUCHAN BUSH GORE
CLEVELAND 5P 374 0 0 3 3 334

The Bush numbers are relatively close, 8 in 2004 to 3 in 2000, but the same can not be said for Gore to Kerry, 21 in 2004 to 334 in 2000?

Could this be because of population change or precinct boundaries changing?


Seems weird...

[sabra]

18. kick!

[gasperc]

81. that's the question of the hour

but why the hell is the county spending all that money for 21 voters???

and in 25 other locations??

and forcing thousands of other voters to wait hours in line???


AND, AND a poster above said he was at Cleveland 19-A and said it was packed, THERE WERE ONLY 8 VOTES RECORDED. I ALMOST CRAPPED MY PANTS.

[momzno1]

19. the numbers here indicate big turnouts in those districts

I really don't understand. 27,000 people vote in Euclid and only 37 vote for Kerry? Help me understand? I feel stupid.

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm

[Chili]

26. I SERIOUSLY want to know the answer to this one too.

Seriously.

[Sam07]

49. Where are you looking?

From the canvassing report at your link, I see Kerry with more than 2.5 times Bush:

EUCLID CITY
BUSH 5844
KERRY 15295

[gasperc]

83. in the city, 37,000+ voted, however in Euclid 3-A precinct only 37 Kerry

On average, in the city of Euclid there were 300-400 votes for Kerry and 100-150 votes for Bush, per precinct.

Also, in precinct Euclid 3-A there were 8 votes Badnarick, that was 1/3 of his Euclid vote total!!!

[hedda_foil]

20. gasperc, you may have broken this wide open!

PLEASE send me the spreadsheets and I'll get them to Ida Briggs team for verification, make sure that Lynne Serpe (who I've been working with) and people who can get to the top of the Kerry campaign (if what you're reporting pans out, which it should) with it. I'm up to my eyeballs in the top levels of the recount strategy and I want to move your findings FAST!!!!!!!

Thanks SO much for your find.

Joan (Krawitz) aka hedda_foil

(I'm Exec Director of www.helpamericarecount.org and www.ballotintegrity.org.)

[PeterPan]

39. please tell me that you have reported this to the recount team

and that they are dealing with it
i have also forwarded the information to people i know with the greens
thank you!

[gasperc]

82. YES, I have a poster above said Cleveland 19-A was packed

ONLY 8 VOTES WERE RECORDED!! That'll break things wide open.

[KittyWampus]

21. That's Close To A Quater Million Votes

[kerry2win]

22. I was in 19-b

is there a way to find out if 19-a was in same building ,I think it was 19-a-b-c at least but not 100% sure and that line was outside the door at 6:30am

[Lil]

75. 19A, 19B, 19D were all in 2nd Calvery Church as in .pdf file -post#56

SECOND CALVARY BAPTIST CH
12017 EMERY AVENUE
CLEVELAND OH 44135

PRECINCT(S)
CLEVELAND -19- A
CLEVELAND -19- B
CLEVELAND -19- D

[sabra]

23. 2004 Primaries Comparison

Check out http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/boe/results/history/2004/030204_PE_Canvass.txt

This might help you decide if these numbers are abnormal...

[gasperc]

84. Yep, some of precincts have less than 50 reg. voters but not all

and I still haven't solved the bigger 218,981 raw vote drop off from 2000 to 2004.

[txindy]

24. Boom! I think that'll kick off one unstoppable chain reaction

Oh, to see Katherine Blackwell's face as he gets the news that his state flipped to John Kerry.

:evilgrin:

[Chili]

25. Okay, I was pissed off before

BUT NOW I'M REALLY MAD.

This is my vote they're f-ing with.

I can't do spreadsheets or numbers for shit... can anyone verify this? Are you saying that thousands of votes are missing from these suburbs?

[rockedthevoteinMA]

27. whoa that's crazy!!

was there a mass exodus f/this county?

[rockedthevoteinMA]

28. Kick!

[truehawk]

29. GREAT WORK , what does the Cencus show?

They will say that they reprecincted, but the people have to be somewhere!!!

[Sam07]

54. Census Data

According to (unofficial?) census data, population in Cuyahoga County decreased 2.1% from April 1, 2000 to July 31, 2003. That's a loss of 30,090 people (2000: 1,393,845; 2003: 1,363,888). Haven't found more current data yet...



http://www.hometownlocator.com/CountyCensusData.cfm?SCFIPS=39035

[gasperc]

85. loss of 30,090 people so where did the other 190,000 voters go??

hmmm...in the biggest turnout in 30 years, 190,000 people from Cuyahoga county stayed home?? While the other 86 counties, interesting Franklin county is the other county with a big voter drop off, all saw huge voter increases!!!!
And people waited hours and hours in line in Cleveland!!!!!!!!!!

hmmm...and I was skeptical when a few of the precincts showed less than 50 registered voters but now I'm back on fire!!!!!!!

[bleever]

30. Now that is some mighty fine work! Get it to Hedda ASAP.

And THANKS! :yourock:

[jdog]

32. Kick

[hedda_foil]

31. Could somebody check the date these were posted?

They're SO bizarre, let's see when they were posted or updated. This info and the voting data from 2000 for these precincts may just do it.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

33. Excellent work --Thanks!! -nt

[jdog]

34. Fantastic!

:toast:

[Sparky 1]

41. You rock!

Thanks so much to you, and to others like you who are helping with this. Keep up the good work!

[mostly_lurking]

35. Wasting your time here...

That website is known to contain lots of errors and inconsistencies. It was the source of the "93,000 extra" votes in Ohio. (That story has since been dropped).

My point is that the Cuyahoga County site is not current, not official, and not accurate. Use any data there with extreme caution and get a second source validation.

[mostly_lurking]

45. Data in the original post is wrong...

OK, the data in the start of this thread is simply wrong. Here is the Canvass report for 2000:

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/history/2000/110700_GE_Summary.pdf

Total ballots cast for President = 574,777
(On page 3, near the bottom. You have to add up the totals for the different candidates),

Here is the Canvass report for 2004:

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/history/2004/EL52.txt

Total ballots cast for President = 652,381
(Search the page for "Kerry" to find the listings for President. Again, you have to total the numbers)

I have no idea where the "218,981" less votes cast in 2004 over 2000 came from. It clearly is not supported in the actual numbers.

[gasperc]

86. I cited data from the Berkley study excel file

I will re-examine all data sets to find what is correct

However, I have reviewed parts of the 2000 canvas report and hundreds of people voted in precincts were only 8, 21, or other abnormally low totals were recorded. Whether this was due precinct changes or otherwise is unclear? Something stinks and I am not wasting my time.

[ahyums]

36. do I understand this right? could this easily be enough to swing the

election - how is it possible that so many votes went missing?

[gapower]

37. I was wondering about that....

Let us know if you get an answer!

[jdog]

40. Pay attention

to mostly_lurking up there. I think I remember reading that 93,000 vote thing and there was something about combining counts for some reason....


I'll see if I can find that info again.

[gapower]

59. Thanks yeah

I think I mostly get it now.

[EndElectoral]

38. How come this is only NOW being pointed up? Bizarre!!! kick

[jdog]

42. Here it is.

http://boards.charlierose.com/board/topic.asp?ti=9804&pg=9

From a thread on the Charlie Rose Forum, Tom Ballard says:
Maybe you should try reading the instructions at the top of the page:

1. quote:

In even-numbered years, the Cuyahoga County Board of Elections tallies absentee ballots by Congressional, House, and Senate district combinations. Because of this, the ballots cast totals for municipalities on this web page and on the summary report needs to be derived by using the following technique: For municipalities with wards, find the ballots cast total for each ward and total them.



You have to add up the numbers for the Wards. For bay Village, example, which has 4 wards:

Registered Voters: 13710+3602+3381+3122+3605
27420
Votes Cast: 18663+2233+2164+2030+2288
27378

Go back and follow the instructions and see if you see anything else. God help you if this is how you file your tax returns.

[jdog]

43. Kick

[jdog]

44. Hello? I think this is important

does anyone agree with me?

[gasperc]

88. that's why my taxes are always messed up in odd years

I'm double checking my data,

I reconciled all the votes to what was submitted to the state which was my original goal.

However, the 2000 vote totals I cited from the Berkley study may be inaccurate. But I have still found substantial errors in precinct votes from 2000 to 2004 that may round up 15-20000 votes, which is a number I cited in my orginal letter. The 218,981 discrepancy was a question that just came up today.

[mostly_lurking]

46. It hasn't come up because it isn't true...

see my post above (#45)

Edited to include Post #.

[jdog]

48. Kick Kick

[kerry2win]

47. anyone vote at 2nd calvary baptist church on emery

if so check to see if you were 19-a

[jdog]

50. Mostly_lurking:

Can you verify the information that I posted from that Charlie Rose thread? Is that true about the way they count?

[kerry2win]

51. Can you answer mine?

[mostly_lurking]

58. What is your question? n/t

[kerry2win]

60. nevermind I found it...below

[mostly_lurking]

52. My take on the Cuyohaga County site...

I have spent quite a bit of time looking at the Cuyahoga County website. In my opinion it is simply full of bugs and misleading numbers. It looks to me as if it was generated from a spreadsheet that has multiple formula errors.

I also spent a lot of time comparing the actual Canvass report (which appears to have been produced by a single application) to the website. The Cnavass report looks accurate and the numbers are consistent (and they match numbers posted in other sites including the Ohio SOS).

I think the "explanation" given by the Cuyahoga County official is probably incomplete at best. In any case, trust the actual Canvass report and NOT the very buggy website page.

[jdog]

53. Kick

[kerry2win]

56. I WAS THERE

19-a -b and d SOMETHING IS WRONG they were packed.
http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/boe/PDF/votinglocations.pdf

[truehawk]

62. Do you have a link to the Canvass Report??

[mostly_lurking]

64. Here...

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/history/2004/EL52.txt

[truehawk]

63. And how does that explain the missing voters?

[mostly_lurking]

65. The numbers used to compile the report....

were taken from the erroneous data posted on the website.

[gasperc]

90. The votes on the canvass report reconcile

I retabulated everything, that not my concern. Kerry got 433k+, Bush got 215k+.

Why were there only 8 votes in a precinct, 21 in another etc?

If the county totals are wrong from 2000 I'll correct it, however 15-20000 votes seem to be non-existent

And if you think I'm wasting my time, let me waste it. Let us waste re-counting Ohio, all its gonna show is that Bush won Ohio right??

[truehawk]

55. kick

[jdog]

57. Kick kick

[truehawk]

61. kick

[jdog]

66. Kick. Seems pretty important....

[PeterPan]

67. stay on this!

kick

[momzno1]

68. this link states over 1 million reg voters in county

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/EL45.txt

[mostly_lurking]

69. That is correct.

And with 665,334 totals ballots cast, turnout was a very respectable 66.15%.

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/2004/gen/voterTurn.htm

[jdog]

71. kick

[dewaldd]

72. kick

[sabra]

77. I am sorry but I think I found the reason....

These precincts have changed since 2000...

For example:

1231 BROOK PARK 3-A 0 0 0 0 0

Which has 0 votes.

Looking from at the Canvass from 2003 (http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/boe/results/history/2003/110403_GE_Canvass.txt)

01 = REGISTERED VOTERS - TOTAL
01
1231 BROOK PARK 3-A 4

It only has 4 registered votes, and there for zero votes is not out of the question. In 2000 It had 390 votes casted, it seems like things have been shifted or population changed since 2000.

I think this answers the discrepency...

[Lil]

87. Also see 2004 Reg. voters for precincts in orig post;See Cleve. 6C & 15B

1916 CLEVELAND 5P 0 8 21 0 3 (110 reg voters 33 votes other races )

1921 CLEVELAND 5U 0 0 19 0 0 (30 reg voters)
shared site with 5t which has 1288 registered

*2003 CLEVELAND 6C 0 1 45 0 0 (662 reg)
shared with 6e/21reg and 6b/399 reg

2005 CLEVELAND 6E 0 0 10 0 0 (21 reg)
shared with 6c/662reg and 6b/399reg

2024 CLEVELAND 6X 1 0 41 0 0 (83 reg)
Shared with 6P/900reg

2124 CLEVELAND 7X 0 2 51 0 0(137reg)
shared with 7t 925/reg

2206 CLEVELAND 8F 0 2 46 0 0 (114 reg)
shared with 8o 1141/reg

( Ididn't check shared polling sites for below)
2715 CLEVELAND 13O 0 5 44 0 0(238 reg)

2725 CLEVELAND 13Y 0 4 13 0 0 (56reg)

2726 CLEVELAND 13Z 0 7 14 0 0 (53reg)

2803 CLEVELAND 14C 0 0 4 0 0 (13reg)

2804 CLEVELAND 14D 1 0 1 0 0 (7reg)

*2902 CLEVELAND 15B 0 17 70 0 0(267reg)

3003 CLEVELAND 16C 0 9 20 0 0(51reg)

3202 CLEVELAND 18B 0 15 18 0 0(58reg)

3301 CLEVELAND 19A 0 0 8 0 0 (19reg)

3941 EUCLID 3-A 8 21 37 0 4(272 reg)

4112 GARFIELD HTS 1-B 0 3 54 0 1(121reg)

4131 GARFIELD HTS 3-A 0 8 10 0 0(35reg)

6032 OAKWOOD 3-B 1 10 31 0 0 (61reg)

6042 OAKWOOD 4-B 0 1 14 0 0(22reg)

6431 PARMA 3-H 0 14 9 0 0(39reg)

6724 RICHMOND HTS 2-D 0 3 5 0 0(15reg)

7320 STRONGSVILLE 1-J 0 13 15 0 0 (48reg)

[gasperc]

91. thanks for adding this follow up

appreciated

but is the county really paying for precincts with only 50 or so people when the neighboring one has 1000???

[Lil]

92. I don't know what the thinking is re: small precincts?

It could be like telephone exchange prefixes/area codes that are created in order to start a "new" precinct?? Just conecture though.

I am going to look at those precinct votes for other offices to see if they follow the presidential vote.

[kerry2win]

93. smething doesn't add up

There were at least 3 sets (4each) punchcard booth areas to vote. From each table that had your letter you were assigned a group of punchcard booths for that table. There were at least 3 tables and 3 sets of booths and they were all full. Had to been more than 19 reg or 8 votes ...something ain"t right!!

[gasperc]

95. look at my #94 post

we are all getting closer
things don't add up, long lines, packed buildings yet Bush gains over 8million votes from 2000 and we fall short.

[Lil]

96. I wonder if they combined more than 19a, 19b, &19d. see below

Did you vote at the Second Calvary Baptist Church?

I wonder if this pdf file is out of date for the General Election
1/22/2004 Cuyahoga County Board of Elections
Polling Places of the Entire County

These numbers don't seem like they'd make a crowd.

precinct. . . . . . . . . . ./registered/. .Bush. ./. .Kerry
3301 CLEVELAND 19A / 19 / BUSH 0 /KERRY 8
3302 CLEVELAND 19B / 318 / BUSH 44 /KERRY 161
3304 CLEVELAND 19D / 727 / BUSH 21 /KERRY 374

[kerry2win]

99. yes thats the place

was done by 6:40am, building packed and line out the door then and building.


I'm sure there's a logical explanation.

[Lil]

97. oops. sorry - wrong reply

[Lil]

98. see post #96. Can't seem to get the hang of the reply string. :-)

trying to reply to #93 don't know why it goes here???

[liberal N proud]

78. Public Hearing on Election Fraud - Cleveland, Saturday Nov 20th

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x64754