Here's the link to the Ohio provisional ballots

[Sade]

there are still coming in:

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP

[benburch]

1. Only GOP counties so far...

The story will be the urban "blue" counties.

[ZRB]

2. So Bush has already got 16,000 provisionals???

Then it's pretty much over for Ohio. This is horrifying.

[TrueAmerican]

4. How Long?

How Long is your stay?

[bemis12]

5. I don't think so

It looks like it's the TOTAL votes, not just provisionals.

Looking at Adams Co, I see:

Election night:
Bush 7,480
Kerry 4,189
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/county.000.html

So the Adams results shown have to include the votes counted election night.

[jsamuel]

7. Yes you appear to be right

Gallia

candidate Old New
Bush - 8,320 8,577 = +257
Kerry - 5,188 5,364 = +176

Adams

candidate Old New
Bush - 7,480 7,653 = +173
Kerry - 4,189 4,280 = +91

[jsamuel]

9. WOH!!! LOOK AT THIS!

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/ProvBallots.htm

Notice # of Provisionals

Adams = 184
#Increase = 264

Gallia = 574
#Increase = 433

I SMELL SMOKE!!!

[Junkdrawer]

10. Is it provisional + absentee???

:shrug:

[jsamuel]

11. Highly doubt that!

They added absentee a long time ago.

Both CNN and USAToday show those totals
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/PresidentialByCounty.aspx?oi=P&rti=G&sp=OH&tf=l
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/county.000.html#12001

[MRKARNO]

13. I dont think so

I'm pretty sure that those totals do not include the absentee ballots. These new results coming out tonight should be the last reported results, plus the absentee and plus the accepted provisionals. There still might be enough to tip the election to Kerry without a recount, but it would take the Absentee ballots going for Kerry in at least some proportion.

[jsamuel]

14. What do you think about the fact that there are MORE VOTES THAN BALLOTS?

[MRKARNO]

15. More votes than voters?

Or more new votes than provisional ballots and absentee ballots combined? I'm not sure what you're saying.

[newyawker99]

46. MRKARNO!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[jsamuel]

12. SMOKE!!! SMOKE!!! SMOKE!!!

[Carolab]

16. I think I know...

more provisional votes added than provisional ballots issued? Is that it jsamuel?

I think it is ODD that Nader got NO votes in any of these counties. Isn't that rather unlikely? I mean he must have been on the ballots, cuz his name is there.

[jsamuel]

28. Yes, exactly. It could be just like all Rep. leaning counties

Every time they add ballots, the tabulators boost the numbers for Bush and don't consider the actuall numbers comming into the tabulator.

[delphine]

27. These are the

original ballot totals, so I am assuming they have revised the totals upwards as they did their final tallies.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

I still cannot find results for provisionals anywhere, though.

[Eloriel]

19. I think you don't quite understand what the point of the recount

is --

It's NOT to overturn the election, if that's what you were hoping. It's to (try to) save democracy.

Have a look:

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[ReneB]

3. nervermind (edited)

[ZRB]

6. That was too much

Those aren't provisional results... Thank god.

[Chili]

8. that page is very misleading...

...the actual provisioinal ballot list is on the left - see the red link titled "PROVISIONAL BALLOTS CAST BY COUNTY>" - I think what we're seeing there are the certified totals of the counties that have reported in.

http://election.sos.state.oh.us/ProvBallots.htm

Note that the total of ballots on that page is 135,000... but that there are counties missing (like Mahoning, very important county). So we really don't know how many provisional ballots there are - is there an an accurate, reliable count somewhere? I doubt it.

Edit - geez, Summit and Darke counties are missing too... both counties had problems...

[mostly_lurking]

17. Here's the final, accurate count of Provisional ballots

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/2004/gen/voterTurn.htm

Look at the last column. All counties are listed.

[Razorback_Democrat]

Those aren't counted Provisional Ballots

those are just ballots issued

and the stats here don't show more votes than voters in any county.

[Baja Margie]

18. Kick

[PeterPan]

20. does anyone have the link to the county-by-county

totals before the provisional ballots were added?
and does anyone know how many absentee ballots there were in ohio?
thanx!

[PeterPan]

21. found the totals

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/11-02-04.htm

but still curious about absentees

[momzno1]

22. how does Cuyahoga county's totals compare to the 93,000 confusion that

they had on their website?

[PeterPan]

23. so we have 2 counties thus far reported

both heavily repug

adams

total provisional ballots - 264
* 173
kerry 91

however

gallia
total provisional ballots 574
* 257
kerry 176

so there are 141 prov ballots missing - determined ineligible? but i thought the totals on the sos site already reflected the first purge.
any clarification?

[jsamuel]

25. EXACTLY, ALSO NOTICE ADAMS SAYS 184 PROVISIONALS, BUT INCREASED BY 264!

Old:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/vote2004/PresidentialByCounty.aspx?oi=P&rti=G&sp=OH&tf=l
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/county.000.html#12001

New:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/OH/P/00/county.000.html

NUMBERS OF PROVISIONAL BALLOTS CAST:
http://election.sos.state.oh.us/ProvBallots.htm


Gallia

candidate Old New
Bush - 8,320 8,577 = +257
Kerry - 5,188 5,364 = +176

Adams

candidate Old New
Bush - 7,480 7,653 = +173
Kerry - 4,189 4,280 = +91


Notice # of Provisionals

Adams = 184
#Increase = 264

Gallia = 574
#Increase = 433

I SMELL SMOKE!!!

[PeterPan]

29. that is adams increased by 80 and gallia decreased by 141

this is exactly why elections are so easy to steal
so convoluted that it takes duers to figure it out

[delphine]

30. WHERE?

is this coming from. I am searching the site forever and don't have a clue where you are seeing this.

[Hobbes199]

24. Better be double checking those by phone/canvass,

and comparing to poll books to look for double votes.

[delphine]

26. Hmmm, I need some assistance

Can someone please tell me where on the page there are any results for provisional ballots?

I can find the original list with total ballots in each county (which numbers may have changed by now as more accurate ballot counts are made).

I can find what looks like total totals for two counties.

Someone is posting results for * and Kerry in those counties.

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me where you are seeing this stuff!

I have opened the page 10 times and looked everywhere and nowhere do I see any results for provisional ballots only.

[jsamuel]

31. I updated a previous post will all the links

There is no "PROVISONAL TOTAL". That makes it harder to notice that the computer is counting 184 Ballots as 264 votes.

SMOKE!

[delphine]

32. Sorry, I still

don't get it. Can you explain more clearly for those of us who have no freaking idea what you are saying?

I don't know how you are seeing the totals. Are you taking screenshots and comparing? ??

[badc0der]

33. new totals reflect the provisional votes

To get only the provisional votes subtract the old vote totals (several links in this thread).

[delphine]

34. Adams county

was 11,999 two hours ago when I tried this link at work. When was it less than that?

I don't see the other links, only people stating totals and changes that look like nonsense.

[delphine]

35. Despite the fact

that I think of myself as being quite intelligent, can you explain this to me "like I was a 5 year old"?

Maybe it's just been a long day but I am not seeing any totals changing. And the links I am finding are updating every 15 minutes so there's no way to compare to an older total.

[jsamuel]

36. Ok, here it goes

Look at the old totals. (CNN link or USA Today link)

You see Adams county's totals. Notice that these are without the provisionals being added.

Now look at the new totals that have been updated with provisionals. (Ohio website link)

Notice that they are different from the old totals. If you subtract the new totals (ones with the provisionals) by the old totals (ones without the provisionals) you get the number of votes added to the candidates.

Now compare that number (Adams is 264) with the number of provisional ballots cast (the other link - Adams is 184). You will notice that more votes were added to the candidates than there were provisional ballots cast.

Now, what does this mean?

SMOKE!!! There may be a fire!

In other words, the computer that takes the number of votes is fudging the numbers to what it was told to give to either candidate. That causes more votes for a candidate than there were provisional ballots cast

[delphine]

37. Okay, I wasn't seeing the CNN link (still don't, but anyway)

But remember the provisional ballot totals are preliminary numbers from 11/2/04.

Most likely they just didn't have a final total. Some of the counties are missing a provisional ballot total altogether. And the list only adds up to 135,000, but we know there are at least 20,000 more than that.

So most likely they have new provisional totals but don't have them up there.

[jsamuel]

39. Here is a better link for the number of provisionals, same for Adams

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/2004/gen/voterTurn.htm

Adams still shows 184. The only difference is that all counties have reported.

Here is the cnn link:
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/FL/P/00/county.000.html#12001

[badc0der]

40. np

From:
http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP
We can see...
Adams:
Bush, George W. Republican 7,653
Kerry, John F. Democratic 4,280
Badnarik, Michael 35
Peroutka, Michael Anthony 31

These are the new vote totals for Adams County


From:
http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/11-02-04.htm
We can see...
Adams:
Bush, George W. Republican 7,480
Kerry, John F. Democratic 4,189
Badnarik, Michael 35
Peroutka, Michael Anthony 31

These are the totals with out provisional votes

So we can conclude that the breakdown of provisional ballots is
Adams:
Bush, George W. Republican 173 (7,653-7,480)
Kerry, John F. Democratic 91 (4,280-4,189)
Badnarik, Michael 0 (35-35)
Peroutka, Michael Anthony 0 (31-31)

Interestingly the total number of provisional votes counted in Adams County is 264 but according to the Ohio BOE (http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/11-02-04.htm) there were only 184 provisional ballots cast. Something is not adding up.

[liberal al zib]

41. The additional 80 ballots

in Adams county comes from oversees absentee ballots.
80 (oversees absentee ballots) + 184 (provisional ballots) = 264 ballots total.

[KatieB]

44. Woah - 264 counted but only 184 cast? Track this!

[mackdaddy]

38. Counts will be coming in for a while yet in Ohio

I live in Hocking county (Rural SE Ohio) and stopped by the county Board of elections office. They have all of three people running the office, and were still opening Absentee and Provisional ballot envelopes.

They will run their final counts (punch cards) through the machine tomorrow (Friday the 19th).

By the way, they have an older non-diebold tabulator PC setup, no modems or networks connections to it, and they print out the reports on paper, and feed those into a standard fax machine to send to totals to Columbus to the SOS office. Looks pretty up and up down here, but I still think Franklin county looks dirty.

[PeterPan]

42. were there any party observers there?!!?

lord do we need a recount!

[Vote4Kerry]

43. Sign Nader petition to impeach Bush

Sign this petition on Nader's site to impeach Bush:

http://www.votenader.org/get_involved/impeach_view.php

[ahyums]

45. they've added some more now. Athens doesn't seem to have counted any

provisionals. Count is exactly the same as it was on election night, yet 2,500 were cast. I wonder what's going on?