New Hampshire ballot boxes had holes cut in them

[Prefer]

Note: I know the source is suspect, because Bev Harris is on the DU enemies list, but this may be interesting information.

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/71404.html?1200663040

No worries, say New Hampshire officials when cuts up to eight inches long are spotted in newly delivered ballot boxes. "The only seal that counts is the one on top."

Except the seal on top can be peeled off without leaving a trace, then reaffixed.

Black Box Voting has been doing a chain of custody exam for the New Hampshire Primary's recount. On Wednesday night, Election Defense Alliance's Sally Castleman mentioned a troubling observation: After following the ballots back to the ballot vault following Wednesday's recount, she had the opportunity to enter the ballot vault, and noticed what looked like cuts, or slits, in the side of many ballot boxes. New Hampshire officials assured us that these cuts, which slice through the tape and seals do not permit access to the uncounted ballots, pointing to a label on the boxtop which they call a seal.

But the "seal" can be removed, like a Post-it, and reaffixed. So it's not a seal all!

We wanted to know if the ballot boxes were slit while in the vault, in the transport van, or came from the towns with slits in them.

I confirmed this morning that many if not most of the boxes scheduled to be counted today had slits in them. I went out when a vanload of ballots arrived, and saw that they were slit at the time they arrived by van. Susan Pynchon and I drove to two nearby towns and watched as they handed over their ballot boxes to "Butch and Hoppy", the two men who drive around in the state in a van picking the ballots up. We observed as they loaded boxes of ballots into the van with no slits at all in them. We videotaped each of these up close. They arrived at the destination without slits. The label on the top was affixed, but in some cases was crumpled, or also damaged.

Of cource, the label affixed to the top can be removed and reattached without telltale signs.

[Richard Steele]

1. If it's from Bev, it's BULLSHIT. nm

[donsu]

2. that's your opinion

nt

[Richard Steele]

6. No, it is a well-documented and consistent historical FACT.

[ORDagnabbit]

20. can you link us to the facts on her stuff. thanks.

[EFerrari]

23. Here: Bev Harris for beginners.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=340188

[ORDagnabbit]

27. thanks!

[EFerrari]

25. As always, when there is a crisis, that grifter moves in

like a vampire to capitalize.

It may be time to repost the exorcism thread.

BEGONE, YOU PARASITE!

[EFerrari]

22. No. That's not opinion. That's experience.

The woman is unstable as well as anti social and nothing that comes from her organization can be trusted without a second and third source.

That Brad and others here chose to rely on her mostly uncritically is unfortunate.

[Junkdrawer]

3. I'm waiting for the photos. n/t

[LiberalFighter]

4. Were there separate boxes for Republican votes and Democratic votes?

Were only the Democratic boxes slit or were there slits for both?

[LeftyMom]

5. If that woman said the sky was blue I'd go outside and check.

Try a link with at least a small scrap of credibility.

[Marrah_G]

7. Some proof? Anywhere? Besides another post link to Bev's site?

So much more I want to say but I will hold my tongue for now.

I will say if you believe this shit I have a bridge to sell you in NYC.

[SmokingJacket]

8. IMHO, her reason for being is to muddy the waters of election fraud.

She becomes the face of election fraud, then repeatedly drives the movement off a cliff.

[hootinholler]

16. I've come to that conclusion as well. n/t

[troubleinwinter]

19. A report of Bev's antics on the ground in NH, alienating & pissing off SOS with her belligerence

"Bev Harris and L Landis were at the original meeting with Albert and Eric and said they were actually belligerent and demanding and really pissed off the SOS with their demands for computer parts being examined etc. They had already agreed to allow us to video the recount and were co operating until the BlackBox ladies showed up and demanded more and more" January 15 11:50pm http://grannywarrior.chipin.com/recount

Her SOP of belligerent antics to discredit the movement and alienate anyone who can be of any assistance to the movement, be it elections officials or Keith Olbermann or Randi Rhodes, is a long-established pattern.

[EFerrari]

26. People don't learn. That Brad is still promoting her or that anyone

in this forum can, is just fucking baffling.

We have plenty of good, hardworking and reliable outfits we can support and promote.

Shortcuts like relying on her are very expensive in the long run. Thanks for posting, trouble.

[ORDagnabbit]

9. except there is photographic evidence of the cut open boxes..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/rjf7r/2201019136/in/set-72157603742281975/

[Junkdrawer]

10. That doesn't look good. n/t

[Richard Steele]

12. Actually, that doesn't look like ANYTHING.

Where is that box? And WHEN? The pic provides absolutely NO context.

Now, if it was a pic showing an opened box BEING DELIVERED,
that would be something. But it isn't. That box might just
as easily be a box that was opened at the recount table.

Given Bev's long and well-documented history of dishonesty and
grifting, we'd be fools to take her word for what that pic shows.

And I'm no fool.

[OnTheOtherHand]

36. from MANCHESTER 1?!

Based on the account in the OP, this picture can't have been taken earlier than Wednesday night.

We're supposed to be impressed by a photograph of the Manchester 1 ballot box taken no earlier than Wednesday night, after Manchester 1 was recounted?

That's just... weird.

[gkhouston]

11. Who took the pictures? I wouldn't put it past Bev to stage something. Seriously. n/t

[Richard Steele]

13. Indeed. And please see my reply #12 above. nm

[gkhouston]

14. Oh, but she's got a video of the box being delivered! Send $$$$!!!

:rofl:

[creeksneakers2]

29. That box doesn't look cut

A long piece of paper was taped across the top and down the side of the box. The break is where the box lid and box meet. If boxes are carried they change shape. The lids don't. So there would be tearing between the box and the box lid. That's all this is a picture of. The break doesn't even run the whole way across.

[OnTheOtherHand]

37. there we disagree

Not an expert forensic opinion on my part, but to me it looks like a cut, not a tear. And it looks like the cut goes all the way across.

Of course I'm also influenced by the fact that this appears to be the Manchester 1 ballot box, and as I read the OP, this picture must have been taken after Manchester 1 was recounted.

[NoPasaran]

15. I can't think of anyone with less credibility than Bev Harris

And that includes President Poopoohead.

[AlCzervik]

17. i'm not sending her any money, Fuck off Bev.

[polmaven]

18. Aren't they SUPPOSED to have holes?

I mean....if they didn't, where would you put the ballot?!!11?/

[Stevepol]

21. This is great information and good gum shoe work.

It's what I srrongly suspect about the LHS methods of corrupting the election.

Of course as long as the chain of custody is so easily broken, there's no way to prove anything, unless (I hope I hope) somebody rats on LHS.

[EFerrari]

24. The chain of custody of fact from bbv

is nothing to write home about. We need to get this information from a reliable source.

/grammar

[Pastiche423]

28. Please, please, please

Don't ever post crap from that lying grifter on this site again.

If you do, your name will be linked w/hers and any credibility you once had will be gone.

Thank you.

[creeksneakers2]

30. So far, the recount isn't turning up anything except

a sizable clerical error in the count of one ward. The recounts are very similar to the original counts.

No matter how much investigation and checking goes on, there will be some who will still insist the election was fixed. Any exculpatory evidence or findings will just be explained away as "cover up."

[Wilms]

31. Some will, indeed, "still insist the election was fixed".

And some of them will actually be paranoid...or partisan.

Others recognize that it doesn't matter IF the election system was "fixed". It obvious that, in fact, it's broken.

-on edit-

It's not at all clear to me what is represented by that photo.

[EFerrari]

32. What is important about this recount aren't any claims but

what we can learn about 1) NH and 2) about any venue using these systems.

[creeksneakers2]

33. I'm not convinced of that

They have a little more recounting to do before Kucinich and his people decide if they want to pay for more. My hunch is that if nothing turns up that would make it look like Hillary lost or cheated then the recount movement will lose all its steam. There already is less interest in the recount.

If the recount advocates really want a full audit to find any and all problems, they'll go on after Hillary is in the clear. If the recounters go on, I'll believe that they sincerely are interested in correcting election flaws. If the recount ends soon, I'll conclude it was all about how people feel about Hillary.

[EFerrari]

34. This isn't about Hillary. This is about our elections.

That much should be clear to you by now.

[eridani]

35. She made a lot of BS assertions about FL in 2004

Then she disappeared off the face of the earth when people wanted to see documentation. If there is visual documentation of this, or testimony by someone under oath, let's see it.

[dailykoff]

38. Well that's reassuring isn't it?

This is a huge problem if true, and accepting that Bev Harris is controversial, what reason would BBV have to lie about it? Has anyone else been following the ballots as they've been moved around?

EDIT: Okay I clicked Kelvin Mace's "Bev Harris for Beginners" thread and I accept that she's a dubious and unreliable source. However, does anyone know if anyone BESIDES her has been following the ballots around?

[EFerrari]

39. That grifter is not controversial. She is a scam artist. There is no

controversy about that.

I, too, would like to know if any reliable source has looked into to this.

[Melissa G]

40. I personally consider EDA a reliable source.

Is there someone who knows Sally Castleman to not be a reliable source? If so,
I'd like to hear about it.
Thanks,
Melissa

[EFerrari]

41. I'd really love to hear what Sally thinks about it directly

and not filtered through bbv.

[Melissa G]

44. I'll see if I have any other links that I can post. I'm behind on my reading n/t

[EFerrari]

45. Tell me about it! On most Sundays, I have to scrape to find

15 stories that are new. Today, even as underreported as election news is, the net was exploding!

:hug:

[indigoblue]

42. Now pictures are posted at BBV site

http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/1954/71456.html

They appear to be cut across the seals.

[dailykoff]

43. I hope Kucinich pursues this to the bitter end.

For the kind of money they're extorting from him he deserves to get to the bottom of their sick joke of an election.