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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:16 PM
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More Questions About Diebold Voting Machines: Did Hillary Really Win New Hampshire?
A good read from CounterPunch which I thought I'd share with DU crowd.

More Questions About Diebold Voting Machines
Did Hillary Really Win New Hampshire?
By DAVE LINDORFF

Could someone have messed with the vote in New Hampshire?

That is what some people are wondering, after looking closely at the totals in the votes for surprise Democratic primary victor Hillary Clinton, and for Barack Obama, who placed instead of winning as all the polls had predicted he would. And thanks to candidate Dennis Kucinich, we are likely to find out. Kucinich today filed a request, and a required $2000 fee, to order up a manual recount of the machine ballots cast in the state.

Polls taken as late as the day before the Tuesday vote showed Obama up by 10 to 15 points over Clinton, whom he had just beaten the week before in Iowa, but when the votes were counted, Clinton ended up beating Obama in New Hampshire 39.4 per cent to 36.8 per cent. In a replay of what happened in Ohio in 2004, exit polling reportedly also showed Obama to be winning the New Hampshire primary.

When that's not what happened, shocked polling firms and surprised pundits, all of whom had been expecting a big Obama win, were left stumbling for explanations for the Hillary comeback from an 8 per cent drubbing in Iowa (even the Clinton campaign, whose own internal polling had predicted her defeat, were at a loss). Explanations ranged from her teary eyed final public appearance before primary day and some sexist heckling she had received, to dark talk about a wave of hidden racism in the voting booth.

But there were anomalies in the numbers that have some people suggesting something else: vote fraud.

What has had eyebrows raised is a significant discrepancy between the vote counts done by voting machine, and the ones done by hand.

In New Hampshire, 81 per cent of the voting was done in towns and cities that had purchased optical scan machines from the Diebold Election Systems (now called Premiere Election Solutions), a division of Diebold Corp., a company founded by and still linked to wealthy right-wing investors. In those towns, all voting was done on the devices, called Accuvote machines, which read paper ballots completed by voters who use pens or pencils to fill in little ovals next to the candidate of their choice. The ballots are then fed into, read, and tallied by the machines. The other 19 per cent of voting was done in towns that had opted not to use the machine, and to use hand-counted paper ballots instead.

The machine tally was Clinton 39.6 per cent, Obama 36.3 per cent - fairly close to the final outcome. But the hand-counted ballot count broke significantly differently: Clinton 34.9 per cent, Obama 38.6 per cent.

Could something have happened in those machines to shift some votes away from Obama or some of the other candidates in the race, and over to the Clinton total?

If all the votes cast had split the way the hand counts split, Obama would have won New Hampshire by over 10,000 votes, instead of losing to Clinton by about 5500 votes.

"My suspicion is that nothing untoward happened here," says Doug Jones, a professor of computer sciences at the University of Iowa and a member of the board of examiners that approved the use of the same Diebold optical scanning machines in Iowa. "But at the same time, the Diebold machines are vulnerable to viruses that can be spread through the machines by the PCMCIA memory cards, and there are other things that can go wrong too. I'd be much happier if they had a routine random audit procedure in New Hampshire."

A random audit, he says, would involve doing hand counts of some towns' optical scan ballots, and comparing those results with the results of the machine reading of those same ballots, as recorded election night.

While California does conduct such random audits as a matter of course, most states, including New Hampshire, do not. According to the New Hampshire Secretary of State's office, any recount of ballots would have to be requested by a candidate, and would have to be paid for by the candidate making the request.

An official in the press office of Obama's campaign in Chicago, contacted on Wednesday, claimed not to know about the discrepancy between the machine and hand-counted ballots. She said that there was no plan to call for a hand count of machine ballots.

As Prof. Jones notes, requiring a candidate to initiate any hand count makes such hand counts unlikely, since unless the evidence of vote tampering or fraud is overwhelming, such a call would open the candidate to charges of "poor loser."

Kucinich, in making his recount request, resolved that problem.

LInk to rest of article:
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff01112008.html
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:21 PM
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1. If it's true the voting machines were rigged
then we need to have all electronic voting canceled for the upcoming general election. I too was surprised to see Hillary edge out Obama, and that exit polling observation that Obama was indeed in the lead makes me want to see a recount.
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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:25 PM
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2. YES. If this goes unchallenged, we're all f*cked ... I mean what's the point?
of even having elections under these conditions? i think I'm going to be sick... :puke:
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:09 PM
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9. The exit poll only had Obama in the lead by 1%
The final result was well within the poll's margin of error.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 11:33 PM
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11. Yep
Though random audits of machine totals should still be manditory.

I'm surprised that they're not.
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:26 PM
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3. This is the 27th thread on those machines.....
The ballots in NH are paper ballots. That means that after they are scanned they can be handcounted.

No self respecting election thief would rig a system that has paper ballots. Think about it.

Now how many more threads are we going to have about this dumb assertion.

And for the 27th time I ask: Why hasn't the Obama campaign demanded and applied for a recount? They have until tomorrow.
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JMDEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:30 PM
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4. In response...
If the recount is so easy due to the paper ballots, why are you opposed to it? Are you opposed to all recounts? Even Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004?

Why hasn't Obama demanded a recount? Jesus H. Christ. Just look around DU right now and you can see why. People are going at it tooth and nail over this issue. Obama would probably lose EVERY fence leaning voter who couldn't decide between him and Hillary.
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FlyingSquirrel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:38 PM
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5. Is it not obvious from the article why Obama is not asking?
He does not want to appear a sore loser. That would kill his campaign.

And if you're so certain that nobody would rig a system that has paper ballots, why would you oppose a hand count?

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99th_Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:43 PM
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6. 27 Theads huh? Gee, maybe that means there's lots of interest and concern
so what if there's lots of concern? what's your point? STFU and trust that all elections are squeaky clean, despite
evidence to the contrary?

I think Obama SHOULD request a recount, and the security of those paper ballots should be determined asap; and I'll continue
to voice my concern until such questions are resolved to my satisfaction, and the "anomalies" explained.
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mirrera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:52 PM
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8. Hear Hear! n/t
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 05:52 PM
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7. Kucinich asked for it. Its already set up. Don't worry about Obama. Its not about
Obama. Its not about Hillary. Its about the votes.

Wait till we get to SC, where there IS no paper trail. At all. Or, just stay quiet and wait until next November and go through this again:

We Will Not Forget
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creeksneakers2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 08:15 PM
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10. Same debunked hand count versus machine count stuff again.
The longer this goes on, the more BS that gets out there. That's one reason why a recount wouldn't be the harmless event its advocates claim it to be.

The cast ballots were not secured enough after the election to satisfy the conspiracy believers. So any recount at this point would prove nothing.
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