Serious question about the NH recount suggested by Dennis.

[desi]

Apparently the person or entity requesting a recount must pay for said recount. Has anybody heard if Dennis is going to formally request a recount and pay for the recount? Apologies in advance if this issue has been discussed/resolved.

[zanne]

1. He has requested a recount...

And he has been informed by the state of NH that he can get the recount, but he'll have to pay for it.

[xultar]

2. IT can't cost that much...50 to 100k perhaps?

[Uben]

3. It's $80,000

Thats what I heard

[xultar]

4. Well not bad. He could fork that over. No prob. Can he use his campaign funds 4 that?

[EFerrari]

6. Didja see that the NH activists are saying a recount won't work

because of the ballot chain of custody? What a mess.

[xultar]

9. Oh...but now we have to live with the assumption that diebold won it for HC...without proof.

So people will just assume it is true that HC is the Diebold republican favorite and they won it for her.

[desi]

11. They can assume till the cows come home.

I'm hoping that this recount takes place as soon as possible. I believe that the pollsters will once again be made to look like the fools they are for not polling after the debate. Obama's own internal poll showed him with a five point lead which probably tanked after his piss-poor performance in the debate.

[Bonn1997]

15. Obama had a good debate

And his lead strengthened in the polling after the debate. I actually had not heard anyone, even Hillary supporters, say after the debate that they thought Obama's performance was poor.

[EFerrari]

12. I really wouldn't get stuck on that.

We don't know what happened. Nobody can say one way or another right now. And, she could have won AND there could have been innocent error OR tampering OR nada. It's not mutually exclusive. We don't know. And now, maybe we won't because the friggin ballots haven't been secure.

Our elections are a mess all over the country. The IA process has problems, too, that no doubt were exploited although the process there is more transparent. Just wait until we get to the other fun states, like FL, SC, NM, WA and CO.

To tell you the truth, I'd rather this rug gets shaken now than have our candidate be a sitting duck in November AGAIN.

[desi]

8. Dennis is obviously not going to benefit

so maybe he can get a loan from the people actually driving this issue, the M$M, talking heads, and the pollsters who screwed the pooch.

[EFerrari]

13. Because clean elections are in the public's interest?

We should wait for the corporate media to clean up our elections? They're responsible for half of the dirty tricks in the first place.

lol

[desi]

17. I live in NE Ohio

I worked for Kerry up to the final rally in downtown Cleveland the night before the election. I voted for Dennis twice, including against HIS recall, when I lived in his district on the west side of Cleveland. I don't know where you got the impression that I would wait for the "corporate media" to clean up our elections. We got rid of BLACKWELL, Taft and DeWine here in Ohio and are quite familiar with dirty politics and stolen elections. I don't see this as a laughing matter, why do you?

[EFerrari]

19. The idea that the corporate media help fund the recount,

your suggestion, is funny, albeit, perhaps unintentionally.

And, I have no problem working on these issues and retaining my sense of humor.

[desi]

20. Why not?

"They" are asking the questions therefore why not pay for the answer? After all, they are tossing these suggestions of voter fraud/vote tampering around to save face, their face. Do you fail to see or recognize their agenda? I want this recount to go forward. I want it to blow up in their faces so that the voters can make decisions based on the issues and not on the shaping of public opinion by said "corporate media" and the Matthews, Scarboroughs Russerts of same media.

[EFerrari]

21. It's election fraud, not voter fraud, for one thing.

And, as I said above, the corporate media is complicit in much of the election fraud in this country. Remember who called 2000 for Bush? Who wouldn't report Ken Blackwell's larceny before, during and after 2004?

They're still at it.

The New Hampshire election protection people have come out against the recount because there are ballot chain of custody issues and it looks like it could be rigged just like they tried to do in Cuyahoga Co.

I don't watch the corporate media and I don't need to prove anything to them.

/y

[bdamomma]

7. Dennis was just Stephanie Miller and asking for donations

of course he will put money into it but he also asked for donations to do the recount. This is not for him this is for the electoral process, or will we pay big time in November 2008 and have another repig sitting in the WH, do any of us want a President McCain or Huckabee. scary thought!!!

[desi]

10. Why ask for donations from the general public?

It's not like the people driving this issue are paupers. Let the pollsters and the "Liberal Media" put their money and reputation on the line.

[antigop]

5. He was interviewed on Stephanie Miller this morning

Said he is asking for contributions to help pay for the recount.

[galileo3000]

14. After they finish, the recount, I would like a check on the recount

Just to be sure, and then lets get it certified and audited (and have the auditors submit to background checks prior and to lie detectors afterwards). Cause that will restore the faith in elections.

:sarcasm:

[EFerrari]

16. Who needs clean elections, anyway?

It's much more important to take what the Republicans stick us with in November and to listen to Chris Matthews tell us stories about how we voted.

[galileo3000]

22. Wow, I've been out cynic'ed

I'm not sure how to respond. How about this->"I wont believe any election unless I personally witness each vote."

[EFerrari]

23. I or somebody like me.

:)

[riqster]

18. I have asked his campaign if there's a special fund or not

..haven't heard back yet. I'll kick in for this.

[William769]

24. K&R!

[Rock_Garden]

25. I'd like to see a thorough investigation into all the polls.

And I've wondered all along why the American public so willingly trusts that information. If the media can slant and skew, so can the polls. So far, the polls have gotten a virtually free ride. Who checks them? Do they check them enough? Are the polls funded/owned in any way by corporate America? There's much to be questioned here, every bit as much as with the ballots.

[EFerrari]

26. We're beginning to understand that our elections are secretive.

We tell pollsters how we voted but they don't show us "their" raw data, for example.

No wonder it's so hard to get Americans to vote. Their elections have been taken away from them.

[Rock_Garden]

28. Exactly. And why isn't the media working on this already?

It's all highly suspicious to me.

[EFerrari]

29. Because they make a bundle off of our campaign contributions

and so have a vested interest in staying in control of our elections. They are one of the partners in the "secret" holding.

If we ever went to public campaign financing, I wonder how many of these outlets would just fold.

[Rock_Garden]

31. Sounds like public campaign financing is on your wish list, too.

Lord, we need to clean out the system and start over again! This system divides us and makes us fight among ourselves. They play us with it. The time for it to stop is now. Polls are part of a corrupt system of campaigning and a big part of the polluted election underbelly. Gets me steamed. All polls need to be triple checked, at least, and open to public scrutiny.

[desi]

42. I completely agree about the pollster's free ride

and you make some excellent points regarding the pollsters. Kudos :toast:

[Little Star]

27. When we redo IA then I'll think about kicking in. Dennis has an agenda

and I have just not figured out what it is. I am leaning toward attention grabbing, just for full discloser.

[EFerrari]

30. IA was a party function, NH was done on state owned equipment.

The two couldn't be more different.

And, whatever his personal agenda is, I'm glad there's at least one Democrat I can count on to push back against shady elections.

[Little Star]

32. Not to be rude but Duh. I mean why did he have no problem AT ALL

with IA. Which is a caucus and right next door to Chicago politics that O is so proud of? I'm not buying.

[EFerrari]

33. The anomalies we're seeing in NH weren't present in IA

for one thing. And, it was a caucus. What is DK supposed to do? Tell the IA Democratic Party that their rules suck?

The point here is that NH will be voting in the general election on the same equipment. IA will not be caucusing in November.

[Little Star]

34. Well speaking for myself. If I were in NH after watching

the boys club, gang bang I would have been one of those majority of women out voting for Hillary. I will not throw out the baby (womens movement) with the bath water. I believe this more now than ever before. Who Knew!

[EFerrari]

35. I understand that many people are invested in her run.

I'd like to see her get a fair shot in November if she is the candidate. Wouldn't you?

[Little Star]

37. I also understand the vested intrest re: race.

[EFerrari]

38. People have their priorities but none of them will matter if we

go into another rigged election and our winner is not seated. I don't think I can look at John MCCain for 8 years. :scared:

[Little Star]

40. That would be real bad! I hate those repug bastids. n/t

[Little Star]

36. One other point. In IA there were many of us concerned about

IL being right next door. I think we made that point with NH.

[EFerrari]

39. I've heard stories about IA that don't reflect well on the Obama

campaign. But, in November, that proximity will be a plus for either Obama or Clinton. There is no up side to partisan controlled unaudited Diebold machines in November.

[Little Star]

41. Hear, Hear! True dat. n/t

[desi]

43. Nobody is touching Iowa since the results were embraced

by the pollsters even though the spread was closer that some of the pollsters were predicting. And that is it in a nutshell, polls are simply predictions, nothing more.