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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:18 AM
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"there is a remarkable relationship between Obama and Clinton votes"
when you look at votes tabulated by op-scan versus votes tabulated by hand:

Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

The percentages appear to be swapped. This seems highly unusual.

http://www.electiondefensealliance.org/new_hampshire_2008_primary_analysis
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:19 AM
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1. Huh?
Says who?
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merwin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:21 AM
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2. As thom hartmann put it, there are many factors that you need to take into account.
Like, the fact that hand counted votes would be smaller cities, while optical scan would be larger ones.

If the distribution of optical scan and hand counted were equal, then you might have a point, but there are a lot of factors to think about other than just the type of voting.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 03:58 AM
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7. Someone broke it down between large, medium, and small towns.
That just does not seem to be true.

Look at the second, third, and fourth table:

http://checkthevotes.com/index.php?party=DEMOCRATS

Besides, why would that demographic affect the Obama/Clinton results so much more than all the other candidates?

I find that explanation lacking.
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:46 AM
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3. interesting
definitely needs a closer look.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:23 AM
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4. OMFG!!!
Do you need any more evidence?
-The difference between Obama's machine count and Clinton's hand cout is 60,606--drop the zeros and you have 666...coincidence?
-The difference between Clinton's machine count and Obama's hand count is 68,208--add the 6 and 2, move some stuff around and you have 80,808. That's an awful big coincidence. There's more...
-* "won" Florida by 537 votes. 52.95% of 537 is 284.3, 47.05% is 252.7. The difference between the integers (284 and 252) is 32--Divisible by 8!!!
-The sum of the the 47% votes (obviously Clinton's actual vote total) is 105,004. The sum of the 53% totals is 115,226. The difference is 220,230. 2x2x2 is 8 or 23 Those exact digits are found in that exact order (2-2-2-3)!!!
-.223 is a rifle caliber equivalent to 5.56mm--the same caliber as the M16 rifle used by the US Military. Clinton wants to be Commander in Chief of the US Military!
-223 multiplied by 8 is 1784, the same year the Revolutionary War ended.
-2008-1784=224. 2+2+4=8!
-2008+1784=3792. Divide by 8 and you get 474. The percent sign (%) is an 8 divided in 2, or 4. Replace the last 4 in 474 and you get 47%--the percentage of the vote Clinton got in hand counted districts!
-Clinton wants to be the 44th President. 4+4 anyone?

The clues are all there there.
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Anouka Donating Member (712 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:42 AM
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5. Joke all you want: Kucinich is asking for a recount n/t
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 02:46 AM
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6. i am thrilled to hear that. (hillary/obama, obama/hillary--i want a straight count!) n/t
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 01:35 PM
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10. Which can be both good and bad
It's good in principle--it's the right thing to do.
It's bad if the results remain unchanged--it will serve to show the 'infallibility' of a problematic voting system and crush dissent on the issue.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 06:50 AM
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8. Why do these numbers add up to 100%?
Was there no other candidate in the race?

Something's wrong with this analysis.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-11-08 09:06 AM
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9. Maybe that's 100% of the votes cast for the two candidates?
The analysis is not presented very well. When my coffee kicks in, I can go to the SoS's site and check.
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