NH-Pre-Election Polls Wildly Different Than Results-Election Reform-Fraud & Related News, Wed-1/9/08

[kpete]

NH Primary - Pre-Election Polls Wildly Different
Than Results-Election Reform-Fraud & Related News, Wed-1/9/08

NH Primary: Pre-Election Polls Wildly Different Than Results Announced for Clinton/Obama
Other Pre-Election Numbers, For Republicans and Rest of Dems, Nearly Dead on the Money...

UPDATED several times at end of article, and still developing with new updates...]

I'm not sure why Obama would have conceded so soon, given the virtually inexplicable turn of events in New Hampshire tonight.

What's going on here? Before proceeding, I recommend you read the third section of the post I just ran an hour or so ago, http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5529 concerning the way the ballots are counted in New Hampshire, largely on Diebold optical-scan voting systems, wholly controlled and programmed by a very very bad company named LHS Associates.

Those Diebold op-scan machines are the exact same ones that were hacked in the HBO documentary, Hacking Democracy. See the previous report, as I recommend, which also includes a video of that hack, and footage of the guy who runs LHS Associates.

That said, the the pre-election pollster's numbers (NOTE: that's not Exit Polls, but Pre-Election Polls!) were dead-on, for the most part, on the Republican side, as well as on the Democratic side. Except in the do-or-die (for Hillary) Clinton v. Obama race. I'm watching MSNBC right now, and they all seem to agree that the results, for the moment, defy explanation.


much more at:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5530#more-5530

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[kpete]

1. Very fishy in one town, my hometown!!!

http://presscue.com/node/38034
Diebold favors Hillary, hand count for Obama
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/23203

Very fishy in one town, my hometown!!!

My mom, aunt, and dad all voted for RP today in my hometown, My mom and aunt both work passing out ballots, and checking them off. I just looked at the politico map and it says their town has ZERO votes for Ron. Now i know that there isn't corruption on voting in that little town, so where they reported it must be. What do I do, anyone know???
http://www.bradblog.com/

NH Primary: Pre-Election Polls Wildly Different Than Results Announced for Clinton/Obama
Other Pre-Election Numbers, For Republicans and Rest of Dems, Nearly Dead on the Money...
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=5530
Mike Hunt | 01.09.08 - 6:56 am | #

[kpete]

2. Table Comparing Machine vs Hand Counts

2008 New Hampshire State Primary Results
A Closer Look At The Count
TOTAL VOTES FOR DEMOCRATS: 282,065

All averages and counts are calculated when the page loads, using vote data sourced from: www.politico.com
Switch To Republican Results OR Switch To Democrat Results


Table Comparing Machine vs Hand Counts
The hand count vs the machine count is here...
http://ronrox.com/paulstats.php?party=DEMOCRATS

[Stevepol]

8. Great job Pete. Thanks for posting.

If the machines are cheating it's most likely a fairly small percentage but enough to make a difference in the final tally. The data show that at least that's a possible scenario.

[Dr.Phool]

3. A friend called last night about an hour before the polls closed.

She's running for a State Senate seat in Florida, and has served over 20 years as an Alderman and State Legislator in New Hampshire.

She made some calls to some elections supervisors she knew, and some family members up there. They said it was pure pandemonium. Crowds, long lines, 60%+ record turnouts, and they were running out of ballots and photocopying new ones (photo copies have to be counted by hand, the scanners don't recognize them).

She also said not to believe any poll in New Hampshire. It's a state pastime to lie to pollsters.

Given all that, and Diebold's involvement, who the fuck knows what's going on up there. I watched the returns for a little over an hour, and one thing I wondered about. The whole time, watching the numbers shift for Hillary and Obama, Edwards started at 17% with 1% of the returns in, and he stayed right there all night long.

[kpete]

4. Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Exit Polls

Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Exit Polls

About Exit Polls

Why should we care about exit poll results? When properly conducted, exit polls should predict election results with a high degree of reliability. Unlike telephone opinion polls that ask people which candidate they intend to vote for several days before the election, exit polls are surveys of voters conducted after they have cast their votes at their polling places. In other words, rather than a prediction of a hypothetical future action, they constitute a record of an action that was just completed. Around the world, exit polls have been used to verify the integrity of elections. The United States has funded exit polls in Eastern Europe to detect fraud. Discrepancies between exit polls and the official vote count have been used to successfully overturn election results in Ukraine, Serbia, and Georgia.

much more from Steve Freeman at:
http://groups.google.com/group/ElectionIntegrity/web/faq-exit-polls?hl=en

[kpete]

5. Did Clinton's results match her EXIT polls?

Elspeth (1000+ posts) Wed Jan-09-08 01:10 PM
Original message

Did Clinton's results match her EXIT polls? (Not pre-election polls, but the actual exit polls)
The voting machine fraud hypothesis needs a real disjunct between the exit polls and the reported results to be viable. Pre-election polls are not nearly as legitimate in making the case; people can change their minds on election day, and for all sorts of reasons. (It would be interesting to see what OP-Eds appeared in the local NH papers, for example.)

The real problem would be if the exit polls were way off. Then, you might really have a case.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=2638979&mesg_id=2638979

[kpete]

6. White House Watch: The question the candidates aren't asked and won't answer

There is a ready-made solution to the software threat, hand counting of paper ballots.


January 8, 2008 at 12:56:08

White House Watch: The question the candidates aren't asked and won't answer

by Michael Richardson


.................

Instead of making the voting machines more secure, the increasing complexity simply introduces more attack points for political hackers bent on altering election outcomes. The "best evidence" rule of law no longer applies to electoral disputes and the public is left to trust the machines and the last person with access to the machine memory.


Election fraud, with today's technology, is now possible on a grand scale without detection thanks to self-deleting malicious software code. As touch-screen voting machines lose some favor the software-driven optical scanners gain ground, yet both types of machines are subject to hacking and manipulation without detection.


Presidential candidates have much to lose with rigged voting machines and yet the silence about this homeland security threat is deafening. In their efforts to not be seen as having kooky ideas or being outside the mainstream the candidates have imposed a self-censorship on a topic very important to their own candidacy, the honest counting of votes.

more at:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_michael__080108_white_house_watch_3a__.htm

[kpete]

7. S.C. to use voting machines banned in other states

S.C. to use voting machines banned in other states
Associated Press
Monday, January 7, 2008


GREENVILLE — South Carolina election officials say they still plan to use touch-screen voting machines despite the fact that other states have banned the use of similar systems made by the same company.

Last month, top election officials in Ohio and Colorado declared that Election Systems and Software's iVotronic is unfit for elections.

The ban was prompted by a study done for the state of Ohio in which researchers found electronic voting systems could be corrupted with magnets or handheld electronic devices such as Palm Treos.

"We've reviewed the report and we remain confident in the security and accuracy of South Carolina's voting system," state Election Commission spokesman Chris Whitmire said.


more at:
http://www.charleston.net/news/2008/jan/07/s_c_use_voting_machines_banned_other_sta26854/

[Pooka Fey]

9. K&R

[Tuesday_Morning]

10. NH Primary: Where Paper Ballots Used, Different Results

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x488942

[Wilms]

11. Kick n/t