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TheNonPanderer Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:25 PM
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The people who say move on or Forget it
We have to thank you more. Because if anything pushes a group with more energy it's the doubt and the sheer blindness of not realizing how its time to hold everybody accountable in Voting. In other words:What pushes down on you makes you stronger.

Just like people said to forget about finding how to Fly, Forget about trying to find lost relatives, trying to find lost relics,Trying to win at a contest

For some reason your faith is not of concern to me. When I witnessed Red Sox win the Playoffs and then the World Series. It was because of one reason:The Faith that pushed them and this energy this synergy they created:THat's important.

What would you rather do just not contact anyone over the trail of voter fraud and hacking? Thats the truly dumb thing to do.

Well today Vote fraud tommorrow it's fraud in your bank accounts and the next day it's Tampering with your Social security through a mainframe computer. That's because people will sipher through these same loop holes that these voting machines are going through. Wake up throw that alarm clock because it's broken

If you let the guard down..you deserve the BOOT in the ASS

No you must Fight FIGHT FIGHT....

regardless of if you are just saying move on or forget it... to be discouraging. REALIZE THIS:

A peoples faith is stronger than any corporation or military complex.
If you have fallen victim to losing faith then you must remember you can re energize your faith. Shut off your one eyed monster stop looking at the headlines. REMEMBER that everyone has heard harsh criticism. Look how much all of the major news anchors have been through. Look at what FOX has been through and they still remain with their agenda on the air.

Look into your soul and spirit. What can you do? Ask yourself that.
You would be surprised if you take a look deep inside yourself what you can do when you set aside all that useless hopeless energy you have pent up inside.

Just like the Rebels in Star wars you can't just stop fighting because the Dark Alliance is swarming across the states.
YOU must get in that X WING and hit them where it hurts.....

Because the minute you give up thats a little more energy we need to replace to propel us forward.

Yes it's true...Faith is the greatest power you can obtain today.

And all you have to do is Believe and Have patience....and use your energy for motivating representatives of your GOVT.

Turn that Light Saber back on because we have Imperial Storm Troopers on the horizon.
AND we will not stop for any doldrum advice that says otherwise. If you fall in battle because you did not resist we can not help you then. YOUR time is NOW>.. You can choose...
Liberty or Totaltarianism


Not just America must fight but this world must FIGHT and you will not listen to the media streaming in. The TV media is being swallowed up they cant possibly catch up with the internet and how fast and inexpensive it is to spread information now.

Be the Luke Skywalker on your street. It is no longer a "Conspiracy" that Evangelic right wants to take over. LOOK who is in your govt now.

NOW you must FIGHT or get trampled in bureaucracy

YOU have the POWER. Channel your force into making things happen. Just like those snide close minded lying GOP Operatives did.
NOW turn it up to the MAX and hit em BACK harder than ever before CONCENTRATE your blow and RIP OFF THE ARM OF THE GOP that is OPPRESSING our citizens!

FIIIIIIIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!!!!!





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txindy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:30 PM
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1. Sounds just about right to me
:toast:

I still believe that John F. Kerry will be inaugurated on January 20, 2005. The Dark Side WILL be defeated.

;)
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TheNonPanderer Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 10:19 AM
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15. cool emoticon
whoa thats a cool emoticon

We need someone to do a star wars flash film with the Dark Alliance Empire theme...and show the players behind the Voting machines then show the statistics and the forums and the media that supports us.

The rebel force was small but all it took was a X Wing veering inside the main shaft of the DeathStar and hittin it right in the center

Even If Kerry isnt elected will still be happy when these voting machine corporation get put through the wringer.

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aprillcm Donating Member (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:32 PM
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2. Yup
Well said.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:34 PM
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3. Whatever makes you feel better.
I'm going to do what I can to make the Dems a winning party in 2006 and 2008.
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:43 PM
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6. Oh, good
so we can vote for and elect even more candidates with zero chance of taking office.

You go, guy.

:evilgrin:
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:50 PM
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9. No, I'll try to get us to offer a clear, winning message that will play
with different kinds of voters, and get us to nominate candidates who can run and win a national race while appealing to blue collar and ex-urban voters.

And, we can do better in that regard than a centi-millionaire socialite Senator. I voted for John Kerry and was severely crushed by his loss, but the fact that he was considered the most electable candidate in the field is pretty damn sad.

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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:35 PM
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4. Here's the thing...
Even if you're doubtful that widespread fraud was committed in 2004, it's just a matter of time until that happens with our current electoral process. The machines that are *gaining* in their use are extremely insecure and fraught with problems. Any average Joe can be shown in just a couple of minutes how to change election results. These machines do not have a paper trail, so we have no way to verify election results, whether there was tampering, computer problems, or whatever. And without a way to verify election results, those who might be inclined to tamper know that there's a good chance that their tampering won't even be detected. On top of that, the companies that currently dominate the industry have a very shady past, have direct ties to one political party, and have a vested interest in the results of the election. Throughout history, there have always been some politicians, party representatives, and businessmen willing to take bribes, commit stock fraud, etc. It would be completely naive to think that there aren't people out their with the willingness, as well as the opportunity and motivation, to tamper with an election.

So even if you don't think it's happened yet, at least on a large scale, it's just a matter of time given our current electoral process. For that reason, uncovering problems that occurred this year, whether due to fraud or not, is extremely important for potentially driving change in the way we conduct elections.
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savetheuniverse Donating Member (455 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:51 PM
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10. GET THIS OFF THE NET AND ONTO THE STREET --let's make our OWN paper trail;
i was out today all day talking to just regular folk who don't spend a lot of time on the net....NO ONE WHO IS NOT "Hyper-connected" knows about this, but I tell you their EYES LIGHT UP when you tell them....

Here is my spiel:

Hey were you happy with the election results.

(If answer yes, walk away)

If answer NO, then

Did you know about the recount?
No.
Well, Cobb has called for a recount in Ohio.
(EYES WIDE OPEN.) Ohio?
Yep. And nader's calling for one in NH.
Really?
Uh huh.
6 congressmen have petitioned the GAO for an investigation into voting irregularities. (hope that's right, maybe it was three, i can't keep track anymore, don't matter, this is not one of the details we gotta sweat right now). And there's a people's petition circulating on the net, last I saw there were about 30,000 signatures on it. Everyone's writing their reps, gao, etc.

At this point, people begin to understand what is going on. They become filled with hope. They begin to thank you profusely. They kiss your feet, your hands, the ground you walk on. THANK YOU DU AND BEV HARRIS.

That's when you pull out the pre-prepared paper (just a tiny little thing about the size of a business card), with 3 URLS, one of which MUST be blackboxvoting.org, but the other two--hey pick your favorite (this we shall call the paper trail!). All you have to do is get people to go to ONE of these sites--before you know it, they're in the "parallel universe" --- but it's GOT TO GET ON THE STREET -- I challenge you all to get so many people riled up about this that my friggin attempt to debunk the NYT will be rendered superfluous. Please let me trash the file.....

You can get a lot more street hits if you have this conversation in a VERY LOUD VOICE at Starbucks, Kinkos, any public place . Speak *loudly so that others overhear, then leave the paper trail--just leave a stack of the little things, let curiosity kill the chimp.

Unless you are seriously engaged in one of the many important research or writing projects I suggest you leave your houses and your computers right now, get out there and talk to the people who are not on the Net. if you can't leave the house, then get on the phone. Get the people who are not watching this to check out the damn NET....get 'em googling

Think of it: if we get a critical mass of people on the Net, no one will have time to go to work MONDAY and we'll shut the whole damn country down.

I have always thought in terms of massive walkout.

But DO IT NOW TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE GET THE FUNDS IN....NO RECOUNT WITHOUT THE MONEY, I'm not even going into the "fraud" thing with folks, just get them on the net so they can see for themselves what is going on here....

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TheNonPanderer Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:42 PM
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5. Faith will be our president
I have to be honest most democratic candidates have not been fully represented. I don't think Kerry can possibly understand what it's like to be dirt poor. We must not just fight for the Middle Class. We have to fight for all downtrodden classes who have been used and abused.

Regardless of what God/Messiah you worship.
Faith is our commander in chief.

I believe this administration is about to come crashing down all around.Corporate America has stepped over the line with the Voting machine access to our freedom

then the DEMS can do what they do best which is
Salvaging the broken parts and fixing it for a better democracy.
Repairing and restructuring can be good. You do not just throw everything away because it's broken. Anything can be fixed with the wrench of Persistence.

:toast:
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NVMojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 07:44 PM
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8. Denial is not a river in Egypt
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Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:23 PM
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11. STAND UP FOR LADY LIBERTY FOLKS! DO NOT RELENT!
Lady Liberty needs us to raise her up...to support her as she has done that for so many years and asking nothing in return but our confidence and intention to stand up like she does. We have to be the light...on America and for the world.

Everyone all over the world is praying for us to beat this sinister turn in the affairs of America. We have to do our part...turn off the reality TV and realize...this is the best and the craziest reality that we will ever see. We all need to make the phone calls, overwhelm the news organizations with this information and MAKE them deal with it. If the editors are burying this stuff...the biggest story ever perhaps...We have to be the impetus for any and all news sources to break this bigtime. We must be vigilant. We cannot afford to let this go by.

I broke down and cried my heart out when Kerry lost. First I felt ill when I heard that Coburn won in OK...he is busy now chasing down the rampant lesbianism in eastern Oklahoma...what a load of $!$!#$!#...if you get my drift. Now that people have gotten their kicks redoing amendments to the state constitutions that we already had...can we get down to reality here???

I recently read a great biography of Winston Churchill...he was the ONE voice of sanity in keeping the Germans from invading England...he did that with his VOICE folks. It is thought that his radio messages to the world led Hitler to believe they were stronger than they actually were. He is the one thing that saved the world from the spread of Hitler to my birthplace. He was considered a war monger by some...my grandparents. Being a warning light in the coming darkness is not a warmonger. He WAS the light in the darkness, and the only one on at the time...or the one who barked the loudest. It took a while before people listened...but if one voice can do what he achieved and save the Empire...imagine what the likes of thousands and thousands of us can do with our voices, and now we have email, faxes, etc. We CAN DO THIS.

We have to unveil the injustice, that if not dealt with...will forever change the course of history, not only for us, but for the world. Could you ever have believed that America would resort to a semi-fascist state? At least Ashcroft resigned today...but I am sure another is taking his place to fill in the holes that Patriot Act I leaves. I have read it and am learning more every day. there are not many holes to fill. We are not only fighting for vote fraud...we are fighting for the very thing that makes America...AMERICA! Everyone around the world is looking to us to validate and defend our right to vote, that we all have the right to vote, unhampered by partisan meddling on the Nov. 2...that is our day...the people's day to speak. We spoke and our voice and our vote was fraudulently taken from us...are we going to lie down and allow that? I WILL NOT! America needs us and we have to defend and fight our own "WAR on TERROR" here in America.


There is a quote in Senator Byrd's book "Losing America", absolutely one of the best books about what is and has been occurring in our country from a 50 year Senator...G.M. Gilbert interviewing Hermann Goering of the "Nuremberg Diary"...as they are discussing how the "common people do not appreciate their leaders for bringing them war and destruction." Goering says,"...But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship." Gilbert points out, "There is one difference, in a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States, only Congress can declare wars." Goering goes on to chillingly say, "Oh, that is all well and good, but voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is the easy part. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce all the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."


Well...is that not what has happened and what has resulted in the quagmire we are in now? We are not pacifists for wanting to use common sense and wisdom in settling foreign affairs. Just because we are extolling caution does not mean we are easy on terror. We are supposed to use force when we need to, not because we can. The terror that we have been exposed to in this country over the last few years, and which will escalate in the years to come if we do nothing now, will not be terror of bombs...but of words of terror that rip out the heart of America. One that will make one side go against the other. This election is the critical point in history that determines whether we move forward into the twenty-first century, or go backwards to tyranny. Have we come this far, to break the Berlin wall, to undermine the bonds of Apartheid, to de-escalate the nuclear threat, to name only a few...to go back to all out world terror. This salvation of this election from fraud...is part of that. Do we save Iraq and the Middle East from terror only to lose ourselves in the process. Can we not sift the real from the unreal?

We must...or GOD can only save us, if we cannot save ourselves. We must stand up the fraud in the vote, stand up to the desecration of America, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and for ourselves. We have a strong legacy of standing up for the right things...that is what made us great...and looked up to as the Light on the Hill for all people. Are we to let the light go out and transcend into the abyss at our greatest hour? The TRUTH SHALL SET US FREE! The truth of what has happened on November 2, 2004, and probably happened November 2, 2000, can never happen again! EVER! So, let us create the most intense campaign that our Democracy has ever seen...and stand up for Lady Liberty...and let the light shine for all who seek justice and liberty, and freedom and the ability to know the difference.

We have only a short span of time to achieve the impossible...to create a miracle...to push back the darkness that threatens to swallow us whole, if we do nothing. That is assured. Do not think that if we just go back to our TV programs...this will go away. It will not. If we ever fought for anything, we MUST, we HAVE to fight for this. If not...we will regret it for the rest of our lives, and our children's, and their children's. Believe it...This is the defining moment and our D-DAY! We must rise to the challenge...move every inch of our beings, to fight for our beliefs and our future. Will the history books one day speak of those that were afraid to raise their voices to save America? We go out and spend trillions saving the world...can we not expend a little energy for AMERICA?

Please hear this message...my whole soul is expending what I feel in my heart. STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR YOUR COUNTRY...IT NEEDS YOU...DO NOT FORSAKE IT...USE YOUR VOICE AND YOUR HEARTS TO SAVE AMERICA...SHE HAS BEEN DEALT A TERRIBLE BLOW...SHE NEEDS THE PEOPLE TO SAVE HER. Many have tried to warn us and now we must listen...so to your battle stations...every one...we have an immense job to do...and this is one we cannot afford to lose because we are afraid for our jobs to speak out. Afraid what people will say. Imagine that we save the day...then they will all be so proud. Think on that...feel proud...do not allow the very principles upon which our great nation began. As Senator Byrd says, "NOW is the time to regain the Constitution that our forefathers so wisely left, a time to return to the values and principles that made America great. Too many have us have gone passively along, aiding and abetting a dangerous process."

Please, let us stand up for AMERICAN VALUES...for what Democracy and Freedom is all about. THE PEOPLE...MUST SPEAK. God Bless this great nation in its darkest hour...and deliver us from evil. Help us to work together to achieve what we were meant to...the American Dream is not a fraud. Our right to vote and be counted is a basic right. DEFEND THAT RIGHT! I implore you.. Thanks for listening...GG
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 07:30 PM
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16. Hi gg!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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genieroze Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:29 PM
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12. The people who say move on or Forget it
I would tell them, I ain't goin nowhere, and I don't forget nuttin. I'm still not over 2000 when Gore was robbed by the supreme court. A elephant may never forget but a donkey never forgets a crooked elephant.
:headbang:
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Donating Member (17 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 08:37 PM
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13. AMERICA'S CHOICE TO CHANGE THE COURSE OF HISTORY & AMERICA ADRIFT
Two interesting articles revealing amazing insight into where we are headed with the present course of events and the course in the event we do not prevail with this FIGHT for VOTE JUSTICE. DO NOT GIVE UP THE FIGHT...NEVER! WE HAVE TO PREVAIL OR LOSE WHAT WE STAND FOR IN AMERICA! please read...interesting point of view....

AMERICA'S CHOICE

When American citizens go to the polls in November, they will have the opportunity to change the course of history. On their decision largely rests the style and structure of the immediate future. If they choose wisely, they will elect a President committed to fostering the well-being of all who long for peace and justice in our troubled world; who realize that peace and justice are the outcome of trust, and who are prepared to share the vast resources of their country to create that trust.
The alternative is too terrible to contemplate: a mounting programme of war and terror and counter-terror; a tightening grip on the traditional freedoms of the American people; a breakdown of relations with other countries; and a ‘pariah’ reputation among the nations for the proud United States. Who would knowingly make such a choice?

Beleaguered
As the day of destiny approaches, the minds of many turn to the beleaguered people of America whom, now, so many despise and hate. They pray for the deliverance of its people from the cruel and crude exponents of illegal, usurped power. They call for every peace-loving American to raise their voice against the war-mongering of the present administration, and to cast their vote in like fashion.

Canker
Of course, America is not alone at fault for the inequalities of the world, the basic canker in our midst, the source of all our troubles. It shares the blame with all the developed countries who ride roughshod and cavalier over the poor and struggling, and must awaken to this main source of tension — and terror.
Therein lies the fault of the Western world: these ‘successful’ countries owe their wealth and dominance largely to history, and their ability to manipulate the world’s economy to their own advantage through aggressive ‘market forces’. The world’s poor and destitute now demand their share. If this simple right of justice is not addressed and remedied, the world will know no peace. Terrorism will fester and grow into war, which will threaten the future of the people of Earth.
We, your Elder Brothers, cannot stand aside and watch while the very future of the world is under threat. America is a great nation with much of good to give the world. It must now awaken to its soul’s longing to serve, to live in peace and justice, and, together, in harmony and co-operation, to work with all nations to remake this world.
This election can be a great turning point in the affairs of men. Cast your vote, We beg you, for justice, sharing and peace.




AMERICA ADRIFT

It is only a matter of time before the people of the United States realize that they have made a grievous mistake. They have reinstated, albeit with the aid of many stolen votes, a man and administration dedicated to the creation of division and hatred, both nationally and internationally.
They will ruefully watch an attack on their proudly held freedoms; they will see a steep decline in their standard of living as the government, of necessity, strives to tackle their enormous debts; they will witness a loss of confidence in their currency and a sharp reversal of trade with their traditional trading partners. The calamitous invasion of Iraq will continue to fester, both in Iraq and elsewhere in the world. Reacting to the fear and hatred which this administration has engendered almost universally, the tendency will be for the people to look inwards, and to turn their backs even more squarely on the world.
Illusion
A major problem in dealing with this administration is the powerful illusion under which it works: that it is God-inspired and so in divine Grace, helping to restore the Christian world and message to its former power and glory. Thus has the USA taken a huge step backwards, isolating itself from the true concerns of much of the world: environmental pollution and the demands of a planet suffering under the strain of impending disaster.
The United States will find that the world will not stand still. With or without American co-operation the nations will proceed as best they can to deal with the many ecological and social problems which beset us, and which so urgently must be addressed. America will find itself left behind and ignored, and only then will it be prepared to ‘lead’ the way.

Rhetoric
This administration is, even now, relishing its victory, and weighing the pros and cons of subsequent action. Thwarted and taken unawares by events in Iraq, it must pause awhile before considering further violence. But the bravado and rhetoric will doubtless continue, hoping to bully and conquer by threats alone. Meanwhile, great changes in many countries are under way, leading to a profound shift in the balance of power in the world. China and India, South America and Russia, are finding their feet and economic potential. Africa is beginning to receive, at last, the concern and goodwill of powerful governments and agencies, and can look forward to better times.
Thus the world is turning away from the dominance of American power and wealth, and charting another path to fulfil its destiny.
If the United States insists on its right of unilateral action, it will find itself neglected and ignored in international plans and projects, its economy will further decay, and its people will lose confidence and trust in government action. Without friends, and with ebbing strength, it will be forced to change, and to renew dialogue with its former friends.
The emergence of Maitreya will speed the process of this transformation and assure its welcome completion.




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