Paper Ballots = Buchanan Wins, Computer States meant Dole "Landslides"

[kster]

Maybe we need to be more Fair and Balanced.


Paper Ballots = Buchanan Wins,
Computer States meant
Dole "Landslides"

by Doug & Jinnie Voorhees,
Mooresville, Indiana

Where neighbors met in caucuses for the 1996 GOP Presidential Primaries, or where paper ballots were hand-counted in the precincts, Patrick Buchanan did well, or won.

Where computers "counted" the votes, Buchanan always "lost" badly. After Arizona, Dole "won" every contest in overwhelming "landslides", often as high as 81% to 19%.

In the first caucus in Alaska on Feb 6, 1996, Buchanan overwhelmed Sen. Gramm 4 to 1, and Sen. Dole 2 to 1.

Louisiana, set up by Gramm people to try and insure an early Gramm victory, limited the voting sites to only 42 locations in the whole state! Voting machines were used so, strictly speaking, the accuracy of the published results could not be verified. But Buchanan sentiment was so obvious in the long lines waiting to vote at most of the 42 sites, that it would have been extremely risky for the establishment Republicans to publish results showing Gramm the victor. Buchanan won 2 to 1


http://www.votefraud.org/Archive/Write/page1.htm

[aquart]

1. Aww, they cheat on each other, too.

How sweet.

[nicknameless]

2. They *do* cheat each other too. That's why it SHOULD be easy to get

repubs on board with cleaning up elections. ... The operative word being "should".

K&R

[kster]

3. If there are any Buchanan voters lurking

about this may give them reason to look in to it.

[nicknameless]

4. Yes. There needs to be a revolution on both sides!

Steve Forbes won 2 states??? The guy only ran on a plan to lower taxes for the rich.

I guess we should have seen the 2000 debacle coming.

[NanceGreggs]

5. Wonder how the Repugs feel about election fraud now ...

... or will they just accuse each other (for a change) of 'sour grapes syndrome'?

[nicknameless]

6. It's really not surprising. Buchanan opposed NAFTA, etc. "Free Trade"

... which has been such a cash cow for multi-national corporations.
So I'm sure he wasn't the top choice of the repug powers-that-be.

Shows how much MSM controls information. I was surprised to read that Buchanan enjoyed so much popularity among right-wing voters. I never heard/read what his platform emphasized. Maybe jobs?

[ISUGRADIA]

7. Gee...maybe it's because caucuses get a much lower turnout

and thus favor the more conservative elements of the Republican Party. This is something that any political scientist who studies elections can tell you, it's no big fraud issue. Polls never showed Buchanan with anymore than being in the 20s in most primary states.

Same thing with Pat Robertson in 1988, maybe he had the nomination stolen from him also.

Same thing on the opposite side with Jesse Jackson in 1988, he did much better in caucus states.

[OnTheOtherHand]

8. winger propaganda?!

ISU, you beat me to it on the caucus issue. But I hadn't even thought of the Jesse Jackson parallel.

Anyone who thinks that Buchanan was the consensus favorite of likely Republican primary voters in early 1996 pretty much has to think that every "MSM" poll was rigged. After that, one can pretty much believe whatever one wants to -- did Kerry actually win by 20? Umm, for that matter, would Buchanan have beaten Clinton by 20?

When did DUers start uncritically citing snippets of articles from winger websites? Putter around votefraud.org for a while, and you will find the revelation that Bob Dornan "struggle(d) against votefraud after (the) 1996 election." If you don't remember Bob Dornan, this rant about "Islamic influence" will give you an idea of what he is about: http://www.bobdornan.com/index2.html . Poke around some more, and you will find links out to the Constitution Party (sigh) and the Southern Party (serious ick -- what do you suppose they mean by "a regional political party of the South espousing a nationalist message"? I will not provide the link).

Sure, just because they're wingers doesn't mean they're wrong. But it sure doesn't mean they're right, either.

(EDIT to change subject header -- I really hope some folks will think about this)

[kster]

9. "Winger" When you go to the site click on home..nt

[OnTheOtherHand]

11. OK, but try clicking on some of the other links, too...

Part of the report from the "first national and international Citizens for a Fair Vote Count Convention" in 2000:

And Donato Dalrymple, the man who found Elian Gonzalez adrift on the ocean, and who later held him during the “invasion-kidnapping” by New World Order soldiers on behalf of Fidel Castro, accepted a Citizens for a Fair Vote Count Freedom Award, as the incidents surrounding him and Elian exemplified, more than any other this year, a government out of control which does not fear its citizens at the ballot box. Howard Phillips, the Presidential candidate for the Constitution Party, presented the award for us, along with salient and moving comments of his own.

In addition, Ruth Dupree, who, as a worthy and eloquent representative, accepted a second Freedom Award on behalf of Marisleysius Gonzalez and the Cuban-American Community, went straight home to Florida to post information about our Citizens for a Fair Vote Count convention on the famous discussion and news website, Free Republic – for all the world to see.

In general, a good time was had by all....

http://www.votefraud.org/Action/Convention/2000

Well, all right, then! :popcorn:

Again, just because they're wingers doesn't mean they're wrong. But take note.

(EDIT: I meant to point out that not much seems to have happened on this (SECOND EDIT! original, pre-makeover) site after mid-2001, so maybe I should have said: just because they were wingers doesn't mean they were wrong. I haven't tried to research what happened since. BTW, in case people don't "ding" on Constitution Party, their mission statement says in part, "It is our goal to limit the federal government to its delegated, enumerated, Constitutional functions and to restore American jurisprudence to its original Biblical common-law foundations." Hmmmmmm.)

(SECOND EDIT continued: their new, spiffy home page invites people to sign up for newsletters from Network America

http://www.networkamerica.org/

"On this Website You Will Find the Strategy which Constitutes the Last Hope for Peacefully Restoring Freedom Under God in America"

"Click here to learn the 10 Minute Lesson that you must know if you hope to unite with like-minded folks to take back America from the Ruling Elite and the 'phony opposition' conservatives whom they fund."

So, well, meet the new Citizens for a Fair Vote Count, same as the old Citizens for a Fair Vote Count. And, again, just because they're wingers doesn't mean they're wrong.)

[kster]

12. The second link gets you to some interesting articles

Buchanan To National Press Club: Supporters Want Paper Ballots, not Computerized Voting

http://www.votefraud.org/News/2000/11/111000.html

[kster]

10. Yah, thats it....nt

[Kurovski]

13. One more vote to get to greatest...

what's the hold-up? Shake one lose, someone. :-) And thanks.