Reply from Ohio Democratic Party on vote problems, etc...

[pbartch]

I located this note on another board - a Yahoo group. Date is 11-9. Is this information still current?
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Dear writer,

Because of the massive requests for information I am unable to give you a more detailed response at this time. I hope this fact sheet answers your concerns.

Thank you,

Dan Trevas, Ohio Democratic Party Communications Director

Every Vote Will Be Counted!

The Ohio Democratic Party shares Sen. John Kerry's insistence that every vote be counted.

Here is where we stand in Ohio:

? After the Unofficial Results reported Nov. 2 - George Bush leads John Kerry by 136,483 votes.

? Provisional ballots will be counted.

155,000 provisional ballots have been cast and not yet been counted.

County Boards of Elections have until Friday to verify the eligibility of those who cast a provisional vote. Counting will begin, Saturday, November 13. County Boards have until. Dec. 1, 2004 to certify their vote totals and report them to the Secretary of State.

? Two Democrats and Two Republicans sit on each County Board of Elections.

Tabulations of the votes will be done in a bi-partisan manner. Only if there is a tie vote on the board does the decision go to the Secretary of State.

? Overseas absentee ballots have not been counted.

Overseas Absentee ballots by civilians may have been received by County Boards of Elections by Nov. 2 that have not yet been counted. The Boards of Elections will count those votes.

Overseas absentee ballots by military have until, Friday, Nov. 12 to arrive and be counted by the Boards of Elections in the final total.

? 93,000 punch cards were cast, but a vote for president was not counted.

The votes were not counted either because the voter voted for more than one candidate or did not vote for a presidential candidate. These ballots will be reexamined if there is a recount.

Ohio has a uniform, statewide system for recounting punch card ballots. Hanging chads and dimpled chads are treated uniformly throughout the state.

? Examination for errors going on in all 88 Ohio counties.

A Vote Error on Election night gave George Bush 3,893 more votes in a Franklin County precinct than actually cast for him. That error was found by comparing the unofficial abstract of votes casts by precinct to votes for each candidate. Officials in all 88 counties have been contacted and requested to review for a similar error.

? No Ohio County used Diebold Electronic Voting Machines

Ohio did not use modern electronic voting machines in this election. Six counties use an older form of electronic voting, which has a means of verifying the accuracy of the vote. In 69 Ohio Counties, punch card ballots were used.

? Recount - In Ohio a recount is automatic for statewide election if difference in the vote is within 0.25% of the total votes cast.

For a recount is the presidential race, this is probably about a 19,000-vote margin between Kerry and Bush.

Only a losing candidate can request a recount. A recount may always be requested regardless of the closeness of the race. The recount is requested by the losing candidate. The request for a recount must be made within 5 days of the official announcement of
the results by the Secretary of State.

The fee for a recount is set by each Board of Elections and may be between $5 and $10 per precinct. You can limit the recount to specific precincts. The cost is deposited by the person making the recount request at the time of the application based on the number of
precincts requested to be recounted. The entire recount and contest procedures are outlined at ORC 3515.

? Vote Fraud or Mistakes - Information about fraud or mistake can be reported the Ohio Democratic Party.

You can leave a message at [phone] ext. 134 or email dan@o... This information will be share with our legal counsel as the official election tabulations are being made.

You may also share any concerns about voter fraud or mistakes the Secretary of State by emailing: election@s...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ohioleft/message/18528

[StephanieMarie]

1. I need help. I need the link

to the bar charts TruthIsAll posted showing the agreement of exit polls and vote count in paper ballot states, and the total disagreement (in Bush's favor) of exit polls in e-vote states. She put it up on Sat Nov06 , but I can't find it now. A reporter named Farhad Manjoo wants to know the sources. Thanks.

[althecat]

6. Here is a source...

So you are in contact with Farhood.. I would like to talk to him.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00124.htm#7

The original thread it came from is from TIA

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2618917

I changed it to swing states vs non-swing states as the original paper vs non-paper description is a bit dodgy.

However a much better piece of analysis to draq to Farhood's attention would be this one.

A Must Read ** Breakthrough ** – EXIT POLL ANALYSIS FOR 47 STATES
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=36314&mesg_id=36314

[Mister K]

2. No Ohio County used Diebold Electronic Voting Machines?

Ohio did not use modern electronic voting machines in this election. Six counties use an older form of electronic voting, which has a means of verifying the accuracy of the vote. In 69 Ohio Counties, punch card ballots were used.


I was not aware of this --- anyone else?

[CraZdem4life]

3. same

i didnt know that

[althecat]

4. Looks like they use Microvote machines

http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/map.php?&topic_string=5std&state=Ohio

They also have eS&S touchscreens and eS&S optical scanners.
It would be good to get some background on the microvote machines.

[Eloriel]

7. Yes -- 16 counties use computerized voting systems --

but it's my understanding that the punchcard counters are computerized too. And, in truth, unless they're compltely mechanical (think coin counters at Office Depot or Wal-Mart), they ARE computerized.

Here's a link for an interactive map for voting systems by state:

ElectionLine.org Interactive Map:
http://electionline.org/interactiveMap.jsp?page=Interactive+Map

Other resources can be found in this thead:

VOTE FRAUD Links - a DU Compendium
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=1984#

[nodictators]

13. It's true. Ohio mostly uses punchcards made by ES&S and Triad

See:
http://verifiedvoting.org/verifier/

There is an interactive map and links to counties

[althecat]

5. From Pobeka's Data - Exact Numbers By Machine Type

oh,"Danaher Controls (Danaher Guardian)",1088944
oh,"Diebold Election Systems",485824
oh,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)",5645336
oh,"Fidlar Doubleday",195209
oh,"MicroVote General Corporation",183077
oh,"Sequoia Voting Systems, Inc.",228878
oh,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.",3001526
oh,"Voting Technologies International",546773
oh,"unknown",60231


"# Vendors","State","County","Population","Vendor","Voting Method"
1, oh,"adams",28026,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"allen",108241,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Precinct-Based"
1, oh,"ashland",53749,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"ashtabula",103120,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"athens",64380,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"auglaize",46740,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","E-Voting: Other"
1, oh,"belmont",69636,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"brown",43807,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"butler",343207,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"carroll",29599,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"champaign",39544,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"clark",143351,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"clermont",185799,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"clinton",41756,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"columbiana",111523,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"coshocton",37132,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"crawford",46091,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"cuyahoga",1363888,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"darke",52960,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"defiance",39054,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"delaware",132797,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"erie",78709,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"fairfield",132549,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"fayette",28158,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"franklin",1088944,"Danaher Controls (Danaher Guardian)","E-Voting: Other"
1, oh,"fulton",42446,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"gallia",31398,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"geauga",93941,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"greene",151257,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"guernsey",41362,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"hamilton",823472,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"hancock",73133,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"hardin",31608,"Diebold Election Systems","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"harrison",15967,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"henry",29318,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"highland",41963,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"hocking",28644,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"holmes",40681,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"huron",60231,"unknown","Punch Card"
1, oh,"jackson",33074,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"jefferson",71888,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"knox",56930,"MicroVote General Corporation","E-Voting: Other"
1, oh,"lake",228878,"Sequoia Voting Systems, Inc.","E-Voting: Other"
1, oh,"lawrence",62550,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"licking",150634,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"logan",46411,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"lorain",291164,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"lucas",454216,"Diebold Election Systems","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"madison",40624,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"mahoning",251660,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","E-Voting: Touchscreen"
1, oh,"marion",66396,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"medina",161641,"Fidlar Doubleday","Punch Card"
1, oh,"meigs",23242,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"mercer",40933,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"miami",100230,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"monroe",14927,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"montgomery",552187,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"morgan",14843,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"morrow",33568,"Fidlar Doubleday","Punch Card"
1, oh,"muskingum",85423,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"noble",14054,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"ottawa",41192,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"paulding",19665,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"perry",35074,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"pickaway",51723,"MicroVote General Corporation","E-Voting: Other"
1, oh,"pike",28194,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"portage",154870,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"preble",42417,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"putnam",34754,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"richland",128267,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"ross",74424,"MicroVote General Corporation","E-Voting: Other"
1, oh,"sandusky",61753,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"scioto",77453,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"seneca",57734,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"shelby",48566,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"stark",377519,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"summit",546773,"Voting Technologies International","Punch Card"
1, oh,"trumbull",221785,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"tuscarawas",91706,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"union",43750,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"van wert",29277,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"vinton",13231,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"warren",181743,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"washington",62505,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Optical Scan: Central Count"
1, oh,"wayne",113121,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"williams",38802,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"
1, oh,"wood",123020,"Triad Governmental Systems, Inc.","Punch Card"
1, oh,"wyandot",22826,"Election Systems and Software, Inc. (ES&S)","Punch Card"

[paula777]

8. I wonder what else is untrue in this letter

"No Ohio County used Diebold Electronic Voting Machines"

Why would they say that when Hardin and Lucas Counties in Ohio both used Diebold machines? What else are they lying about?

[OilemFirchen]

9. Lying?

Hardin and Lucas Counties use Diebold Optical Scan systems, not "Electronic Voting Machines" (read touch-screen).

Wanna try another?

[paula777]

10. Pre-programmed optical scan systems?

[TorchTheWitch]

11. I found this interesting...

93,000 punch cards were cast, but a vote for president was not counted.

And they reported 93,000 more votes then voters in Cuyhooogooo (sp?) County.

As far as claiming they don't use Diebold e-voting, they probably only consider touch screens to be e-voting. Stupid.

[TexasSissy]

12. Funny how they say Franklin Co. error was found by comparing

something with something else, when in fact the error was found BY D.U. MEMBERS, who in turn reported it! X*#$!#!$#!4!!